Pictures of Civilian casualties in fresh paki air strikes on waziristan

[Bengal_Tiger]

As a Muslim I do not take any pleasure in seeing the bodies of dead Pakistani soldiers. It is sinful to to be happy at the deaths of human beings, especially Muslims (unless they are criminals not individual soldiers). I have read Pakistani hate sites over the years including sites like defence.pk and the far worse forum.pakistanidefence.com (the Pakistani equivalent of a Neo-Nazi skinhead site) and have read dogs like Platinum786, Rungroot, Psychosaint, Sparten, Simpleton and many other disgusting animals talk of killing, murder and hatred.

A true Muslim should never lower himself to the low standards of these barbarians. The Pakistani soldier killed was a human like the children and civilians killed in Waziristan. A mother has lost her child who she once looked at affectionately as the apple of her eye.

This killing, this suffering, this bloodshed must end.

Oh Allah please end this killing and suffering in Pakhtunkhwa.

Ameen, thumma ameen.

[Smarty]

As a Muslim I do not take any pleasure in seeing the bodies of dead Pakistani soldiers. It is sinful to to be happy at the deaths of human beings, especially Muslims (unless they are criminals not individual soldiers). I have read Pakistani hate sites over the years including sites like defence.pk and the far worse forum.pakistanidefence.com (the Pakistani equivalent of a Neo-Nazi skinhead site) and have read dogs like Platinum786, Rungroot, Psychosaint, Sparten, Simpleton and many other disgusting animals talk of killing, murder and hatred.

A true Muslim should never lower himself to the low standards of these barbarians. The Pakistani soldier killed was a human like the children and civilians killed in Waziristan. A mother has lost her child who she once looked at affectionately as the apple of her eye.

This killing, this suffering, this bloodshed must end.

Oh Allah please end this killing and suffering in Pakhtunkhwa.

Ameen, thumma ameen.

That is a picture of a murtid soldier, a harami who died a haram marg. Over 500 scholars issued fatwa in 2004 that funerals of paki soldiers died in FATA, were forbidden and that they shouldnt be buried in muslim graveyards.
If they are that human and muslim, they should resign from army instead of dying haram marg.
And lanat on their mothers for raising them like that.

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. I am of course no fan of the Pakistan army which I have continuously criticized and is guilty of utter barbarism and war crimes not just in Bangladesh but in Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwa and elsewhere.

2. I just personally can't take any joy in seeing anyone killed. Maybe it's a Bengali thing (Bengalis - Muslim or Hindu in Bangladesh or India - are known for being soft, calm people). The irony however is that Pakistani nationalists hate Bengalis (who are quiet, calm people and treat Pakistanis with respect) far more than they hate Afghans, when it is Afghans who hate Pakistanis (or their nationalists) far more.

On facebook it is Afghan sites which have far more anti-Pakistan content and imagery than the placid and easy going Bangladeshis.

On this forum (partly due to the moderators) I restrain myself and do not use words such as "Dhalkhor", "Porkistan" etc nor do I post anti-Pakistan pictures despite people like Bannu and Pakwatan insulting my family and Pakwatan gloating over the Bangladesh genocide, however just to give people an example of what I am talking about, look at this picture:



This is nothing compared to far more hostile pictures.

However Pakistani nationalists (though they hate Afghans) have a far more visceral hatred for Bengalis. To be honest I think it is to do with the millenia old hatred the lighter-skinned more Aryan north-western people of the Indian sub-continent have had for the darker southern/eastern Indic peoples (and mentioning race as a factor does not indicate an "inferiority complex" but being aware of certain realities.)

Look for example at these pictures:






In the first picture you can see the hatred and contempt in the eyes of the Pakistani players pictures, who had been hyped up amidst some political tensions between the two countries, and in the second you can see a Pakistani player taunting a Bangladeshi player.

They would never do this to Afghans.

a: They don't hate Afghans as much

b: Afghans would react and are not so duped by the whole "Vee aar Mooslim braaders yaaar" (We are Muslim Brothers) rhetoric Pakistanis use to exploit other Muslims, unlike somewhat dim and passive Bengalis.

Even on this forum Bannu posted pictures of Bengali women crying over that defeat to taunt me and his friend, Shehbaz Khan came to defend him.

On facebook pages Pakistani nationalists posted pictures of this defeat to Pakistan by the (very poor and useless) Bangladesh cricket team and took great joy in it. They would never take such joy in defeating Afghanistan.

If you notice in this forum though I don't use words like "dhalkhor", "napakistan" etc and try to be polite it is me that the Pakistani nationalists, Bannu, Pakwatan and others target and attack far more. They also hate and insult Biharis.

The point is we Bengalis are far calmer and more humane people than aggressive Pakistanis and find people from Bihar westwards too aggressive for our liking (they probably find us too soft). I simply can't take any happiness in seeing the picture of a dead Pakistani soldier and am aware of the fatawa (legal edicts) some Mullahs gave saying that the Pakistan army is a murtad (apostate) army. I don't take extremist Mullahs (pro or anti-Pakistan) seriously.

I find death a tragedy and can never be happy about it except for very extreme circumstances.

Anyway in Bangladesh itself people never talk about the internal politics of Pakistan or are particularly interested. We won in 1971, we beat them and now we are free Alhamdulilah.

[tripledouble]

Pakistan Army fought the 1999 Kargil and 1948 war through proxies (1999, Northern Light Infantry NLI mostly comprising Gilgitis and FC, Pashtuns, 1948 Pashtuns). How misguided these Gilgitis and Pashtuns were, at least they fought till death and didn't shamefully surrender.

Gilgiti people are actually really patriotic, i've got a Gilgiti friend and he's in the airforce, i believe the reason they support Pakistan is because Gilgit is really developed(the highest female literacy rate in Pakistan) and also because they're Ismaili Shias like Jinnah, and they were ordered by the Aga Khan to support Pakistan, though later Jinnah became a Twelver Shia(mainstream Shia).

[Smarty]

@bengal tiger
You think i am having an orgasm over a dead body?,you are freaking out just on seeing a dead body?
paki army is our enemy and they need to die as many as possible in tribal areas, just like british and mughal soldiers before them in these rocks. We pashtuns kill our enemies and only their dead bodies calm us down. The pic of That dead harami soldier, is soothing to eyes. The head of that murdar, the one in picture, need to be put on spike and paraded on streets or sent as gift to their mothers so that they dont encourage their sons to join napak army. Taliban are decent enough to give them clean deaths, beheading or shot in head. But those dhalkhor faujis are torturing suspected tribals and suspected balochs to a slow and painful death in their cells.

[Smarty]

Gilgiti people are actually really patriotic, i've got a Gilgiti friend and he's in the airforce, i believe the reason they support Pakistan is because Gilgit is really developed(the highest female literacy rate in Pakistan) and also because they're Ismaili Shias like Jinnah, and they were ordered by the Aga Khan to support Pakistan, though later Jinnah became a Twelver Shia(mainstream Shia).

It doesnt matter whether gilgatis are patriotic pakis or ismaeli shias, the point is northren light infantry showed more gutts and spirit than punjabi army in 1971 war.
And i dont understand why [MENTION=10678]Da Bannu Mazdigar[/MENTION] is hating shias, his jinnah and liaqat ali khan were shias.

[Smarty]

Gilgiti people are actually really patriotic, i've got a Gilgiti friend and he's in the airforce, i believe the reason they support Pakistan is because Gilgit is really developed(the highest female literacy rate in Pakistan) and also because they're Ismaili Shias like Jinnah, and they were ordered by the Aga Khan to support Pakistan, though later Jinnah became a Twelver Shia(mainstream Shia).

It doesnt matter whether gilgatis are patriotic pakis or ismaeli shias, the point is northren light infantry showed more gutts and spirit than punjabi army in 1971 war.
And i dont understand why [MENTION=10678]Da Bannu Mazdigar[/MENTION] is hating shias, his jinnah and liaqat ali khan were shias.

[tripledouble]

It doesnt matter whether gilgatis are patriotic pakis or ismaeli shias, the point is northren light infantry showed more gutts and spirit than punjabi army in 1971 war.
And i dont understand why [MENTION=10678]Da Bannu Mazdigar[/MENTION] is hating shias, his jinnah and liaqat ali khan were shias.

yeah that's true but the reason was that the Kargil war was fought along the Giglit-Balitistan and Ladakh border, so it's obvious that the NLF would be at the forefront.

The Pak army in East Pakistan was actually more diverse, there were even Baloch soldiers!

There was even a non-fiction book written about a Pakistani-baloch soldier having an affair with a Bengali girl during the war and it was later adapted into a movie.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/04/2011429174141565122.html

Meherjaan, directed by Bangladeshi film-maker Rubaiyat Hossain, is about the love of a Bengali woman for a Pakistani Baloch soldier in the backdrop of the 1971 war

[Smarty]

yeah that's true but the reason was that the Kargil war was fought along the Giglit-Balitistan and Ladakh border, so it's obvious that the NLF would be at the forefront.

The Pak army in East Pakistan was actually more diverse, there were even Baloch soldiers!

There was even a non-fiction book written about a Pakistani-baloch soldier having an affair with a Bengali girl during the war and it was later adapted into a movie.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...141565122.html

I believe foji "jawans" were encouraged by their officers to rape bengali women, those who had unrestrained beasts within them, went for it. If it was a war tactic, then it was a very stupid one. I wonder how many pathans participated in those rapes.
And a paki soldier tried to create a similar love story in parachinar , kurram agency. He tried to run away with some local teenage girl but was caught by villagers, sentenced to death by jirga and was stoned to death. That punjabi thought, that seemingly educated shias of parachinar would not be so strict while the fact is shia pashtuns are more harsh than sunni ones when it comes to these matters.

[Loy Afghanistan]

You should not be ashamed of being shia because you can become a true muslim anytime you want.

It doesnt matter to me whether you smoke,drink or whatever research your into as long as your a Parsiwand.

What happened with orgasm feeling towards other men? Coming with Shia accusations now, when you are loosing arguments? Stop your orgasm feeling towards dead Pashtuns you little Paki punjabi dog/slave. I hope someday a Pashtuns get the hands of your paki head.

Me and majority of Pashtuns with education and free mind rather choice parsiwands as allies than mix raced, brainwashed "pathans" from Islamabad, sorry Porkistan.

Its better to get rid of trash like you than recycle it. End your filthy evil line before someone else does it for you!!

I think you are jealous of us Pure Pashtuns, how our ancestors ruled empires and was the central of many historical important events, when your lived and still live in outskirts near smelly panj baaboonians and now got consumed by British India and now belongs to their slaves Panj baboonians. I mean to be a slaves SLAVE, that is low. I get your frustration coming here and talk **** about Pashtuns and celebrating when Pashtuns children die, because they didn't save you from british panj baboonians, maybe because you are are becoming to much alike. Hell 99.9 % of real Pashtuns in Afghanistan doesn't mix. But in Porkistan there is no evidence how much mix racing has been.

But it is no use, we will prevail, like our pure Pashtun ancestors has always done in the past. Proud to be one of the noble ones to hold my ancient ways no matter what.

[Pakwatan]

What happened with orgasm feeling towards other men? Coming with Shia accusations now, when you are loosing arguments? Stop your orgasm feeling towards dead Pashtuns you little Paki punjabi dog/slave. I hope someday a Pashtuns get the hands of your paki head.

Me and majority of Pashtuns with education and free mind rather choice parsiwands as allies than mix raced, brainwashed "pathans" from Islamabad, sorry Porkistan.

Its better to get rid of trash like you than recycle it. End your filthy evil line before someone else does it for you!!

I think you are jealous of us Pure Pashtuns, how our ancestors ruled empires and was the central of many historical important events, when your lived and still live in outskirts near smelly panj baaboonians and now got consumed by British India and now belongs to their slaves Panj baboonians. I mean to be a slaves SLAVE, that is low. I get your frustration coming here and talk **** about Pashtuns and celebrating when Pashtuns children die, because they didn't save you from british panj baboonians, maybe because you are are becoming to much alike. Hell 99.9 % of real Pashtuns in Afghanistan doesn't mix. But in Porkistan there is no evidence how much mix racing has been.

But it is no use, we will prevail, like our pure Pashtun ancestors has always done in the past. Proud to be one of the noble ones to hold my ancient ways no matter what.

Care to speak about how Pashtuns are treated in farsi land? The Tajiks have neutered you Pashtuns with mastery. But, you yourself are not a Pashtun, so what do you care?

You are a filthy Tajik with half and half ancestry. HAHAHAHA

I feel sad for you...You are a confused mutt. You think you know about Pakistan, but in reality you are a pathetic soul in the west that has never experienced Afghanistan or Pakistan.

If you speak with a real Pashtun in your life, he will tell you that he holds both Afghanistan and Pakistan as his homeland, and India as his birth right.

But what do you know?

You ugly Tajik waste.

You make me laugh.

[tripledouble]

I believe foji "jawans" were encouraged by their officers to rape bengali women, those who had unrestrained beasts within them, went for it. If it was a war tactic, then it was a very stupid one. I wonder how many pathans participated in those rapes.
And a paki soldier tried to create a similar love story in parachinar , kurram agency. He tried to run away with some local teenage girl but was caught by villagers, sentenced to death by jirga and was stoned to death. That punjabi thought, that seemingly educated shias of parachinar would not be so strict while the fact is shia pashtuns are more harsh than sunni ones when it comes to these matters.

That story was written by a Bangladeshi woman.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

What happened with orgasm feeling towards other men? Coming with Shia accusations now, when you are loosing arguments? Stop your orgasm feeling towards dead Pashtuns you little Paki punjabi dog/slave. I hope someday a Pashtuns get the hands of your paki head.

Me and majority of Pashtuns with education and free mind rather choice parsiwands as allies than mix raced, brainwashed "pathans" from Islamabad, sorry Porkistan.

Its better to get rid of trash like you than recycle it. End your filthy evil line before someone else does it for you!!

I think you are jealous of us Pure Pashtuns, how our ancestors ruled empires and was the central of many historical important events, when your lived and still live in outskirts near smelly panj baaboonians and now got consumed by British India and now belongs to their slaves Panj baboonians. I mean to be a slaves SLAVE, that is low. I get your frustration coming here and talk **** about Pashtuns and celebrating when Pashtuns children die, because they didn't save you from british panj baboonians, maybe because you are are becoming to much alike. Hell 99.9 % of real Pashtuns in Afghanistan doesn't mix. But in Porkistan there is no evidence how much mix racing has been.

But it is no use, we will prevail, like our pure Pashtun ancestors has always done in the past. Proud to be one of the noble ones to hold my ancient ways no matter what.

Atleast i have mastered the art of hitting someone's nerve.

anyway the reason i make replies to a subhuman like you is to hit your nerve.May be because i love annoying parsiband.

Anyway if you ever want to become a True muslim like majority of this forum members,Do leave me a PM,The other guy who also is of your kind is the abbasentajik.He's also welcome.I will atleast guide you toward the true islam instead of beating yourself in the public.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

It doesnt matter whether gilgatis are patriotic pakis or ismaeli shias, the point is northren light infantry showed more gutts and spirit than punjabi army in 1971 war.
And i dont understand why [MENTION=10678]Da Bannu Mazdigar[/MENTION] is hating shias, his jinnah and liaqat ali khan were shias.

I don't hate shia.

[Bengal_Tiger]

[MENTION=1234]Smarty[/MENTION]

My earlier message wasn't specifically meant for you, which is why I didn't quote you but just a general post for everyone (a lot of my posts are actually meant for the wider passive audience, "lurkers", that read the forum or will read it in the future). To be honest I can imagine a person being a bit offended if a post as long as the one I wrote earlier was intended for them, as it would be a bit of a lecture. I don't do that to people unless it's people I dislike.

As for your reaction to the dead Pakistani soldier. It's nothing too shocking and a standard type of comment we see on the internet. On defence.pk if they see pictures of dead TTP fighters or Afghan soldiers they would be saying "Good, hope more of these rats die" or something like that. On the even more extreme forum.pakistanidefence.com, one of their "moderators", Platinum786 has often spoken about murdering entire families of militants or action against their villages.

The Pakistan army did this in 1971 when they raped all the women of certain villages and killed unarmed civilian men (who had nothing to do with the resistance) as part of a program decided by the senior leadership to "teach the Bengalis a lesson".

My last post was more about me and my value system, so don't take it the wrong way.


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@Everyone else, In general

1. Pashtun soldiers were seen as more humane than the Punjabis, same with the Baloch. There is one story of a Baloch soldier who deserted and joined the Bengali resistance, stayed in east Pakistan and got married.

The Tochi scouts from Waziristan refused to kill Bengalis when they heard the adhan (call to prayer).

Talking about 1971, Nayanika Mookherjee writes that her research shows various Balochi and Pathan soldiers are often attributed with having helped East Pakistani civilians by aiding their escape.

- See more at: http://www.thelucknowtribune.org/new....68shGhu5.dpuf


The fact is Baloch and Pashtuns are Iranic people who are not from the same civilization as the Indic Punjabis or Hindustanis (Mohajirs) and thus do not have the same cruelty that many of these Punjabis have. To understand the cruel nature of some in the Indic world you just have to look at the caste system and how cruelly they treat people. Pashtuns (though they have socio-economic classes) do not have such a thing as the caste system in the way that the Indian Hindus or to a lesser degree Pakistani Punjabis have. This hierarchical based degradation of fellow human beings is repulsive to the more egalitarian minded Pashtun.

Like Pashtuns, Muslim Bengalis do not have this either, e.g. sometimes in the Punjab, "lower-caste" girls have been raped by a group of Punjabi men as a "punishment" decided on by a village council because someone in their family tried to be with an "upper-caste" Punjabi. These girls have also been paraded naked. This is unthinkable in Bangladesh, Malaysia or Indonesia.

A Pakistani girl was allegedly kidnapped, forcibly married twice before being gang-raped and stripped naked to avenge her brother's elopement with a woman from the same village in Punjab province.

Sanaullah, 22, had allegedly eloped with the daughter of a man, who belongs to the Mallah caste, of the same village in Chiniot district after the families refused to marry them.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/pakistani-girl-allegedly-married-twice-gang-raped-for-revenge-497108

Nor do we have tribes.

If Balochistan ever becomes independent I would strongly advise them not to associate themselves with the Indic world or south Asia and to present themselves as a south-west Asian country or Persian Gulf country e.g.

a: Seek associate membership of the GCC (half of the "Arab" tribes in the UAE are Balochi for example).

b: Seek to cultivate strong ties with their blood brothers the Kurds.

c: Give citizenship or resident status to Arabs and others with Baloch lineage.

Even Bangladesh might be thinking of joining ASEAN, the South east Asian version of the EU.



ASEAN states.


2. Anyway enough about Bangladesh as this thread is about Pashtun civilians being murdered by the notorious Pakistan army.


a: The operation has subsided and the Pakistan army probably decided to kill a few "Pathans" to get their Chinese off their backs over Uighur militants active in Pakistan.

b: We are not hearing anything any more about Hafiz Gul Bahadur ending his agreement with the Pakistan army.

c: The north Waziristan operation hasn't started and it may never start.

The Pakistan army is probably waiting to see what happens in Afghanistan i.e. a Ghani or Abdullah government and also the US "withdrawal" (not a true withdrawal as there will still be thousands of Americans left in Afghanistan).

In general TTP terrorism has decreased substantially since the peak years e.g. 2009.



I asked a Baloch yesterday if the Baloch insurgency has decreased heavily to which he replied it is "booming".


d. The Pakistan army has been bombing Afghanistan i.e. Kunar.