Does Pakistan make Durandline to a real border?

[HalloIsBack]

Pak forces pull back from zero-point area

May 20, 2014 - 15:21 KANDAHAR CITY (Pajhwok): Pakistani forces have withdrawn from the Zero Point area along the Durand Line in the Maroof district of southern Kandahar province to their permanent bases, de-escalating new tensions between the neighbouring countries, an official said on Tuesday.
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[hk1992]

The Durand line is a non-issue I dont even agree with pashtun nationalists about making a pakhtunkhwa again or about making friends with regional countries to support our cause, there are vast similarities today between the situation in our country back in the 1700s when Nadir Shah encouraged a civil war between the pashtuns which he then capitalized on to build his own empire on top of the ruin of the Hotaki empire however ahmad shah durrani realising this managed to end the civil war and turned the tables around on nadir shah and retook most of the old Hotaki empire. The lesson to be learned here is: 1) Never trust a Non Pashtun, they dont believe in the slogans they themselves sing about us all being muslims, whereas pashtuns are very swept along by this concept and become far too trusting of other muslims, historically we have always defeated ourselves by trusting other people far too much, by all means we should provide every assistance to other muslims but never trust them with power over us. 2) The Pashtuns reconquered there old empire out of the ashes of a civil war by uniting the tribes not by seeking assistance from the various kingdoms surrounding us, we sought help from nadir shah and look at what that got us, we sought help from the communist and look at what that got us , we sought help from the US and look at the results of that. 3) Pashtuns have to realise that peaceful protesting and campaigning will never achieve anything worthwhile, only an armed struggle to restore muslim pashtun rule to all the lands conquered with the blood of our forefathers will achieve freedom for the innocent pashtuns from the aggression of other armies by containing conflicts in lands away from our own. 4) Pashtuns have to really make an ideological choice with regards to wether they want to accept pakistan and the will of that state which is the pakistani army or if they wish to be free and die as free men on a true muslim land, there is only one force among the pashtuns today capable of making that dream come true but it will never come true as long as we revile and oppose them for every small mistake while overlooking the far greater sins of the pakistani establishment. All we need to do to follow in the footsteps of ahmad shah durrani- the father of the nation is to unite the tribes under a charismatic ruler in a millitary organisation.

[Pakwatan]

One thing I don't understand is why Pashtuns want to be exclusive to themselves. If there was a Pashtun nation, Pashtuns would just end up fighting amongst themselves. Something they have been doing for over hundreds of years.

The only ulterior motive would be for one group to take power over the rest of the populace, pashtun or not. Kharzai and other ambitious Pashtuns are no different from Khanzeer Shareef. They just want power. They want the recognition and the state treasury.

Amongst Muslims today, the biggest obstacle to create a statehood is greed.


Funny to see members here put so much faith into their ethnicities, when they themselves know subconsciously that they will not be helped based on ethnic politics.

A pashtun in power will help his own people. His own tribe. And before tribe his own family members.


It's the same case with the kanjar kashmiri shareefs that are in power today.

A "Punjabi" is in power of Pakistan today. How many of us Punjabis see any benefit. Our lights are still going out 18 hours a day.......

[Herat]

One thing I don't understand is why Pashtuns want to be exclusive to themselves. If there was a Pashtun nation, Pashtuns would just end up fighting amongst themselves. Something they have been doing for over hundreds of years.

The only ulterior motive would be for one group to take power over the rest of the populace, pashtun or not. Kharzai and other ambitious Pashtuns are no different from Khanzeer Shareef. They just want power. They want the recognition and the state treasury.

Amongst Muslims today, the biggest obstacle to create a statehood is greed.


Funny to see members here put so much faith into their ethnicities, when they themselves know subconsciously that they will not be helped based on ethnic politics.

A pashtun in power will help his own people. His own tribe. And before tribe his own family members.


It's the same case with the kanjar kashmiri shareefs that are in power today.

A "Punjabi" is in power of Pakistan today. How many of us Punjabis see any benefit. Our lights are still going out 18 hours a day.......

In the case of Pakistan (and probably Afghanistan as it currently is), for the same reason any marginalized ethnic group will do. I believe that proverb "blood is thicker than water" is also relevant here: ethnic strife is usually the far more intractable and pervasive problem; Syria, for example, will almost certainly stabilize before the end of the decade but there doesn't seem to be an end in sight for say the plight of the Palestinians or the Kurds. The situation isn't quite comparable for Pakistani Pashtuns of course but the fact remains that so long as they remain a minority in the state of Pakistan, their ethnic interests at the very least, but in fact likely they as an ethnicity altogether, will always be marginalized. And no amount of blame-shifting to Pakistani leaders will change this fact.
Pakwatan, it seems to me that many Pakistani Punjabis have this habit of peddling their ethnic group interests in the garb of the religion of Islam. You talk about "Muslim statehood" and yet do not waste a seconds hesitation in defending the statehood of Pakistan, which is clearly an obstacle to regional cohesion (that first necessary step toward your more ambitious cohesion with the rest of the Islamic world).

[Pakwatan]

In the case of Pakistan (and probably Afghanistan as it currently is), for the same reason any marginalized ethnic group will do. I believe that proverb "blood is thicker than water" is also relevant here: ethnic strife is usually the far more intractable and pervasive problem; Syria, for example, will almost certainly stabilize before the end of the decade but there doesn't seem to be an end in sight for say the plight of the Palestinians or the Kurds. The situation isn't quite comparable for Pakistani Pashtuns of course but the fact remains that so long as they remain a minority in the state of Pakistan, their ethnic interests at the very least, but in fact likely they as an ethnicity altogether, will always be marginalized. And no amount of blame-shifting to Pakistani leaders will change this fact.
Pakwatan, it seems to me that many Pakistani Punjabis have this habit of peddling their ethnic group interests in the garb of the religion of Islam. You talk about "Muslim statehood" and yet do not waste a seconds hesitation in defending the statehood of Pakistan, which is clearly an obstacle to regional cohesion (that first necessary step toward your more ambitious cohesion with the rest of the Islamic world).

My friend. Forget Islam. Forget nationalism. Forget ethnicity. Forget family.

When you grow up, you will realize that the only person looking out for you is Allah swt and yourself.


Punjab state, Pashtun state is all bull****.

[Admin Khan]

My friend. Forget Islam. Forget nationalism. Forget ethnicity. Forget family.

When you grow up, you will realize that the only person looking out for you is Allah swt and yourself.


Punjab state, Pashtun state is all bull****.

Ground realities as of now is that a Pashtun does not quite care about Pakistan or Afghanistan, all they care about, in a nutshell, is their livelihood, peace, and respect.

[Rawanshenas]

How could Durand line be a border when its called a line?

Why is it that pakistan cannot see the difference between a border and line? They're fighting Indian over line of control (LOC) in Kasmir saying its a border.

[Cobra]

The Durand line rhetoric from Afghan side is just for show, no one in Afghanistan wants to assimilate the Pashtun Pakistan back in Afghanistan.

[Shah-i-Kot]

My friend. Forget Islam. Forget nationalism. Forget ethnicity. Forget family.

When you grow up, you will realize that the only person looking out for you is Allah swt and yourself.


Punjab state, Pashtun state is all bull****.

How do you say forget Islam but talk of Allah(swt)? Are you confused? Allah(swt) is not a person.

Pashtuns need security and peace, and have not had it for the last 40 years whereas others have.

Obviously, the division caused by ethnic differences has been counterproductive for regional economic integration which benefits more people. Ethnic divisions lead to regional divisions which benefits none. Thats the present reality. Trade in the Asian block and economic integration will cancel these differences out eventually.

[Pakwatan]

How do you say forget Islam but talk of Allah(swt)? Are you confused? Allah(swt) is not a person.

Pashtuns need security and peace, and have not had it for the last 40 years whereas others have.

Obviously, the division caused by ethnic differences has been counterproductive for regional economic integration which benefits more people. Ethnic divisions lead to regional divisions which benefits none. Thats the present reality. Trade in the Asian block and economic integration will cancel these differences out eventually.

When I mentioned Islam, I meant political Islam. The one that discriminates against believers. I apologize. Sorry.

[HalloIsBack]

Afghanistan probes barbed wire installation across Durand Line

By Ghanizada - Sun Jul 13 2014, 5:09 pm

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According to reports, the Pakistani military forces have launched installation of barbed wire across the Durand Line.
The issue was discussed during the National Security Council (NSC) meeting chaired by Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
The Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Border, Tribal and Ethics Affairs were instructed to investigate regarding the exact location where barbed barbed wire is being installed.
The two ministries were also instructed to find out regarding the position of the barbed wire from the zero point.
The installation work has reportedly been started across the Durand Line near eastern Paktika province of Afghanistan.
Pakistan and Afghanistan share an immense border stretching 1510 miles (2430 km) along the southern and eastern edges of Afghanistan.
Militants and terrorist groups are actively operating along the Durand Line and frequently carry out insurgency activities.
The porous Durand Line has also been a source of tension between Afghanistan and Pakistan where numeous cross-border attacks have been carried out during months and years.
The Pakistani army has been continously shelling eastern provinces of Afghanistan, while blaming the Afghan government for remaining reckless to act against the Pakistani militants who have take shelter in eastern Afghanistan and frequently carry out cross-border attacks.

http://www.khaama.com/afghanistan-probes-barbed-wire-installation-across-durand-line-6397

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I told you already when the Ex AVM declared from his source's that Post operational strategy include to fence and mine FATA border with Afghanistan.