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    All patriotic and true sons of pashtunkhwa watan know that Pashtuns were forced to join jinah,s Pakistan.
    There was no choice of azad pashtunistan or joining Afghanistan in the so called referendum held in the 40s under the british command.
    Some of opportunists british hired khan voted in favour of Pakistan but the vast majority boycotted the referendum. The khodykhedmat garan under the leadership of Bacha khan baba did a great job by boycotting the British sponsored referendum.

    After the creation of evil state of Pakistan Pashtuns were called ,,ghadar,,and not patriotic.
    On one side Pakistan used them in the kashmir and on the other side they were called ,,ghadar,,.

    pashtunkhwa wa Baluchistan was never a part of india.
    The Britishes divided them by sigining durandline with Abdurahman.
    After the creation of Pakistan Pashtuns were used and abused.
    Pashtuns lost control over their sources.
    Both Pashtun and Baluch land and sources control by the state of Punjab.
    All the industries are in Punjab and sind.
    The Baluchs launched the freedom movment.
    On the other side the mastermind of ,,isi,,brought lahori islam to pashtunkhwa to control Pashtuns in the name of islam.

    This is another long discussion and lets come to the point.

    Pashtun nation and language is thousands years old.
    Pakistan is 67 years old so I ask the Pakistani lover Pashtun to explain how can they use the term Pakistani Pashtun?
    It is like to say I am older then my father.
    Pashtun itself is an identity and the citizen of pashtunkhwa are called Pashtuns not pakis.
    It is an great insult to call Pashtun Pakistani.
    Pashtun did not vote to join Pakistan so it is wrong to call Pashtun Pakistani.
    All of the above after killing thousands of Pashtuns,the bombing of Rahman baba,ajmal khatak and hamza baba graves do you guys still feel Pakistani?
    A true Pashtun will never ever support the invaders and outsiders in their land.
    A true Pashtun is free and independent by nature.
    So there are two things pashtunkhwa Pashtun and Afghanistan-Pashtun.
    All others are fake names.



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    be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
    gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
    be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
    hamza baba
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  • #2
    Gadoonwala wrora,

    Everything you have said is true and correct.

    However the majority of Pashtuns in Pakistan are loyal to Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism.

    How will you convince them?

    Plus the most important thing for Pashtuns is to feed themselves and their families and they believe there is no point in struggling for a landlocked Pashtun state and they are better off in a union with Punjabis and others, even though many are fully aware of the unpleasant nature of Punjabis.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
      All patriotic and true sons of pashtunkhwa watan know that Pashtuns were forced to join jinah,s Pakistan.
      There was no choice of azad pashtunistan or joining Afghanistan in the so called referendum held in the 40s under the british command.
      Some of opportunists british hired khan voted in favour of Pakistan but the vast majority boycotted the referendum. The khodykhedmat garan under the leadership of Bacha khan baba did a great job by boycotting the British sponsored referendum.

      After the creation of evil state of Pakistan Pashtuns were called ,,ghadar,,and not patriotic.
      On one side Pakistan used them in the kashmir and on the other side they were called ,,ghadar,,.

      pashtunkhwa wa Baluchistan was never a part of india.
      The Britishes divided them by sigining durandline with Abdurahman.
      After the creation of Pakistan Pashtuns were used and abused.
      Pashtuns lost control over their sources.
      Both Pashtun and Baluch land and sources control by the state of Punjab.
      All the industries are in Punjab and sind.
      The Baluchs launched the freedom movment.
      On the other side the mastermind of ,,isi,,brought lahori islam to pashtunkhwa to control Pashtuns in the name of islam.

      This is another long discussion and lets come to the point.

      Pashtun nation and language is thousands years old.
      Pakistan is 67 years old so I ask the Pakistani lover Pashtun to explain how can they use the term Pakistani Pashtun?
      It is like to say I am older then my father.
      Pashtun itself is an identity and the citizen of pashtunkhwa are called Pashtuns not pakis.
      It is an great insult to call Pashtun Pakistani.
      Pashtun did not vote to join Pakistan so it is wrong to call Pashtun Pakistani.
      All of the above after killing thousands of Pashtuns,the bombing of Rahman baba,ajmal khatak and hamza baba graves do you guys still feel Pakistani?
      A true Pashtun will never ever support the invaders and outsiders in their land.
      A true Pashtun is free and independent by nature.
      So there are two things pashtunkhwa Pashtun and Afghanistan-Pashtun.
      All others are fake names.
      Pashtun lands were a part of either Iranian empires or Indian empires..... and Iranians are our least threat atm but be warned, Iranians controlled Pashtuns in history as much as India did.......

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
        Gadoonwala wrora,

        Everything you have said is true and correct.

        However the majority of Pashtuns in Pakistan are loyal to Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism.

        How will you convince them?

        Plus the most important thing for Pashtuns is to feed themselves and their families and they believe there is no point in struggling for a landlocked Pashtun state and they are better off in a union with Punjabis and others, even though many are fully aware of the unpleasant nature of Punjabis.
        That's why we need to push for a Baloch-Pashtun bi-national commonwealth and take Gwadar! Baloch population density is sparse! We need to use Gwadar!!!!

        The reason why Pashtuns have to feed their families is because of the war on terror! Most Pakistani Pashtuns are refugees in their own homeland like Afghan Pashtuns! That's why they show up in major cities like Karachi looking for jobs cause everyone keeps bombing North-west frontier. If Pashtuns had their own country, they'd be well off landlocked.... but its good cause then no more Islamic extremism. Pashtuns take care of their own problems and no more Taliban..... no more USSR, Americans, Tajiks or Punjabis ****ing with Pashtuns or Balochis....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kanishka View Post
          Pashtun lands were a part of either Iranian empires or Indian empires..... and Iranians are our least threat atm but be warned, Iranians controlled Pashtuns in history as much as India did.......
          you need some history lessons friend.
          The son of mir wais neka mahmood afghan ruled iran.
          So iran at one stage was part of pashtunistan.
          Greater pashtunkhwa watan was never a part of iran.
          Kandahar came under irani rule for short time but mir wasi khan hotak defeated the persains.
          Pashtun region was not part of india.
          Just over hundred years our region came under the british influence.
          Even that time the britishes could,nt control pashtunkhwa.A large part was free from british influence.
          The pashtunland/rokhistan was freeland where Pashtun ruled according to their own costums.



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          be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
          gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
          be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
          hamza baba
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
            Gadoonwala wrora,

            Everything you have said is true and correct.

            However the majority of Pashtuns in Pakistan are loyal to Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism.

            How will you convince them?

            Plus the most important thing for Pashtuns is to feed themselves and their families and they believe there is no point in struggling for a landlocked Pashtun state and they are better off in a union with Punjabis and others, even though many are fully aware of the unpleasant nature of Punjabis.
            If we can go for union with baluchs then we will get access to the sea.
            I always say the freedom of azad Baluchistan mean azad pashtunistan.
            We are majority in Baluchistan so one way or the other we will get access to the sea.
            Pashtuns are not loyal to Pakistan wait and lets free Baluchistan first.Pashtunistan will appear on the wolrd map the sametime.



            Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

            pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
            be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
            gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
            be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
            hamza baba
            پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
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            • #7
              Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
              If we can go for union with baluchs then we will get access to the sea.
              I always say the freedom of azad Baluchistan mean azad pashtunistan.
              We are majority in Baluchistan so one way or the other we will get access to the sea.
              Pashtuns are not loyal to Pakistan wait and lets free Baluchistan first.Pashtunistan will appear on the wolrd map the sametime.
              1. Baloch would not want to share a state with Pashtuns, they want their own Baloch country. Baloch nationalist leaders have spoken of giving mainly-Pashtun northern Balochistan (Junoobi Pakhtunkhwa) up to Pashtuns.

              2. Baloch are more secular than Pashtuns and definitely have the mentality that they are Baloch first and Muslim second so support for Balochi independence is stronger amongst them than more religious Pashtuns who fooled by talk of Muslim brotherhood and unity stay in Punjabi-controlled Pakistan.

              3. Baloch will never give up their struggle for independence. This is for different reasons but Balochis are even more militant than Pashtuns in some ways when it comes to honour and revenge (Nang and Badal in Pashto), so will take revenge on the Pakistan army.

              4. I say this often but will continue to say it once Balochistan secedes (whenever that is, next few years, next decade or longer), Sindh will start fighting the next day. Sindh will get independence as the Pakistan army after having lost to a few million Baloch will not be able to handle 30 million Sindhis.

              For example all Sindh has to do is to stop supplies from Karachi via Sindh to Punjab, a siege of Punjab and Punjab will collapse.

              After Sindh breaks away there will only be a landlocked "Pakistan" of Punjab and Pakhtunkhwa (and northern areas), Pashtuns will not want to stay in a landlocked and defeated Pakistan which will have lost 3 of its original 5 provinces (east Pakistan, Balochistan and Sindh).

              5. If Balochistan becomes independent they will definitely keep good ties with Pashtuns as their main enemy are Punjabis and so Pashtuns being strong and thus weakening Punjabi influence is in their interests.

              Independent Balochistan, Sindh and Pakhtunkhwa should all ban Jamaat e Islami and have good relations with Bangladesh.


              However as far as I know the Baloch insurgency is far weaker than it was a few years ago, though I may be wrong.


              [MENTION=17351]Friends of Baloch[/MENTION] [MENTION=5607]M17ArnoBaloch[/MENTION]
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              • #8
                I really hate people who accuse our brother pashtuns of being terrorists for a war forced upon them by america and by blaming them for the atrocities of blackwater. Pashtuns wether taliban or not are sons of pakhtunkhwa and should not fight each other at the behest of pakistan or america. Finally why do the pashtuns fear the taliban so much, what are they preaching that is so different to what we already believe in?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ibrahim Khan
                  First Speak Kaara/Soocha Pukhto, then talk about Pukhtun-country

                  خپلواک Khpalwaak (Pukhto) = Azad (Farsi)
                  هيواد Hewaad (Pukhto) = Watan (Arabic)
                  Coming from the guy, who makes threads on which words are pure pashto and thinks farsi is desendend from avestan, I doubt you know pure pashto yourself lol.
                  "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                  -Old Pashtun proverb




                  "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ibrahim Khan
                    OMG,
                    1) I make threads to spread info and also to learn !
                    2) I SAID: Avestan is descend from Old Farsi (NOT MODERN FARSI AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND); its a linguistic fact (http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/avestan-language)

                    Let me make it simple for you:
                    Old Farsi --> Avestan
                    SEPARATELY
                    Old Farsi --> Middle Farsi --> Modern Farsi



                    DONT GO FULL-RETARD DUDE !
                    Iranica? LOL awesome source dude, you sure know your shyt (sarcasam.) And what exactly is the difference? Old fartsi is NOT desendant of Avestan.

                    And no need to call people retards.
                    "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                    -Old Pashtun proverb




                    "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ibrahim Khan
                      I wasn't calling you, its a colloquial expression ... like "dont go cray cray"

                      The website contains an article by K. Hoffmann, an scientist of Iranian Languages.

                      If you dont believe this then check any other source also (e.g. Gernot Windfuhr book: The Iranian Languages). Even see wikipedia (lol):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avestan...of_development

                      Even use common sense: Avestan religious language of = Zoroastrians (Aatish-Parst), Zorastrians where = Ancient Persian People, Ancient Persian People spoke = Old Farsi; hmmmmm ????
                      Lol what? The religion of persians has nothing do with Avestan you know what right? Zoroaster himself was from Sistan which is basically modern day southern Afghanistan and he was a monotheist.

                      Btw hewad is an Arabic word
                      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                      -Old Pashtun proverb




                      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ibrahim Khan
                        Hewaad is not Arabic. ASK ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS ARABIC. Check any Arabic dictionary you will not find it. Dont spread wrong info just to point score, have some dignity

                        And if you do not want to believe Iranian Language Experts and well the Living proof (the holy book of Aatish-Parsts: Avesta). Then I cant say anything to that
                        Stop writing in big letters.

                        Thank you.
                        "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                        -Old Pashtun proverb




                        "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ibrahim Khan
                          First Speak Kaara/Soocha Pukhto, then talk about Pukhtun-country

                          خپلواک Khpalwaak (Pukhto) = Azad (Farsi)
                          هيواد Hewaad (Pukhto) = Watan (Arabic)
                          you are talking to yourself.
                          I am expert of Pashtu language.
                          I can write you this in Pashtu but then again most of can not read a word of Pashtu.
                          your old posts speak for you.
                          you are learning Pashtu on net .I study Pashtu in school.



                          Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

                          pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
                          be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
                          gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
                          be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
                          hamza baba
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