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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27258566

    Viewpoint: India risks destabilising Afghanistan

    The Afghan army has some Russian helicopters, seen here on exercises near Kabul

    With foreign combat troops preparing to leave Afghanistan, India has agreed to supply the country with military equipment. Guest columnist Ahmed Rashid says the move risks raising tensions.

    India's decision last week to pay for arms and equipment from Russia to boost the strength of the Afghan National Army (ANA) could be a dramatic game-changer in the region - as well as a step fraught with escalation in regional rivalries.
    Pakistan is almost certain to look critically at the deal and accuse India, its rival, of trying to outflank it.

    For the last few years India has tactfully declined to say yes to Afghan President Hamid Karzai's repeated pleas for the Indian supply of heavy weapons for the ANA, such as long range artillery, tanks and aircraft.

    Spending billions of dollars in the past decade, the United States has rebuilt the ANA, but it has made sure that it remains a lightly armed force with defensive rather than offensive weapons.

    Both the US and India seemed to have been careful in not upsetting Pakistan, which has been critical of the size of the ANA and will most certainly react if the ANA receives offensive weapons.

    Until recently there have been high tensions between the Pakistan military and the ANA along their disputed, porous and unmarked border, with the Afghans repeatedly accusing Pakistan of wilfully allowing the Taliban to cross from their havens in Pakistan to fight the Americans and the ANA.
    Both Pakistan and Afghanistan have no control over large parts of their common border.

    India's refusal to accept Mr Karzai's requests has gone down well in Islamabad, and both India and Pakistan have been on their best gentlemanly behaviour when it comes to not making provocative or rash statements about their well-known mutual rivalry in Afghanistan.

    This relationship was tested after the Afghan Taliban's Haqqani network launched attacks several years ago on the Indian embassy and its personnel in Kabul.
    India and the US have repeatedly put the blame on Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which has worked closely with the Haqqani network since the 1970s.

    Since those attacks ceased, both countries have kept the rhetoric down, despite constant needling by Mr Karzai, Afghan army generals, Russia and Iran, which have all argued that India needs to do more to support the ANA.
    India has declined, saying it does not want to get involved in the civil war in Afghanistan even though it has supported the government strongly.


    The Pakistan army is mistrustful of Indian involvement over the Afghan border
    Now that the Americans are leaving by the end of this year, India seems to have changed its tune.

    So far the agreement with Russia implies that India will pay for Russian arms such as light artillery and mortars to be delivered to Afghanistan. However both countries say it could involve the delivery of heavy weapons in the future.

    According to Reuters, India is expected to help Afghanistan restart an old armaments factory near Kabul, refit old Soviet-era weapons, and step up training of Afghan officers and special forces - something it has already been doing in small numbers.

    Afghans have long fought with Russian or, previously, Soviet weapons and much prefer those to Western arms.
    Under US supervision and payment, the Russians recently supplied the tiny Afghan air force with Russian-made M-17 helicopters, which the forces of the Northern Alliance used for many years in the war against the Taliban.

    All this is likely to deeply annoy Pakistan, and escalate tensions with India and rivalry over their influence in Afghanistan.
    The Pakistan army has a low opinion of the ANA and does not trust it receiving offensive weapons which could be used on their common border.

    Now - just as Pakistan is giving the Afghan Taliban and its leader Mullah Mohammed Omar sanctuary on its soil - Afghanistan is allowing the Pakistani Taliban and its leader Mullah Fazlullah to shelter in Afghanistan. Both sides have denied providing official sanctuary to the Taliban.
    This tit-for-tat escalation has already led to fire-fights, exchanges of artillery fire and casualties between the two armies on the border. Islamabad also has suspicions that Indian trainers or advisers on the border could theoretically now replace US and Nato trainers.

    Moreover, the arms deal could lead to a replay of the bloody civil war in the 1990s, when Pakistan backed the Taliban, and India, Iran, Russia and the Central Asian republics backed the then Northern Alliance.

    Balancing act?

    However, one country could play a stabilising or balancing role and that is China. President Karzai has also asked China for military help but Beijing has been extremely reluctant to get involved on the ground in Afghanistan - just as China refuses to get involved in other conflict zones such as North Korea.
    Pakistan could now ask its closest ally, China, to get more involved in bolstering the ANA. That could balance Indian and Russian influence.
    Where will money come from to pay the wages of Afghan soldiers in the future?
    One critical unanswered question remains: who is going to pay the $4bn a year that the ANA needs to continue functioning and paying salaries?

    The US and Nato have said they are willing to foot part of the bill but not for very long. There is no hint that India, Russia or China have offered money up front to support the ANA.
    Most experts conclude that the ANA will have to drastically reduce its size anyway by next year, because nobody will be willing to support more than 320,000 soldiers and policemen who constitute the present Afghan security forces.

    If outside countries pour in heavy weapons without the money to pay for sustaining the army, the danger of those weapons ending up with the Taliban becomes even greater.
    That is exactly what happened with the last lot of Soviet heavy weapons left behind in 1989 when Soviet forces left Afghanistan. The weapons were soon in the hands of warlords and the Taliban and the civil war started.

    Pakistan fears that any heavy weapons arriving in Afghanistan could end up in the hands of the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban.
    Afghanistan needs peace before it needs more weapons, and it needs bigger doses of diplomacy and political dialogue to get the Taliban to stop fighting.

    If that could happen, rather than flooding it with weapons once again, Afghanistan would be a happier place.

  • #2
    India should not provide weapons, this will only create tension with Pakistan, fueling more hatred and wars

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Karachi View Post
      India should not provide weapons, this will only create tension with Pakistan, fueling more hatred and wars
      I agree, let Russia, China, Iran provide weapons, and India can pay for it. Hopefully pakis will shut the hell up! or Why They don't want Afghanistan secure? Is pakis hiding something?
      To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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      • #4
        A weapon will not help the Afghanistan collaborationists to retain power in Kabul after the conclusion of foreign of occupation armies from Afghanistan.

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        • #5
          India, China and Russia, want to infix positions of collaborationists in Afghanistan in an order to prevent to establishment of sheriat in a country after the conclusion of the American army.

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          • #6
            Disgrace to the collaborationists. In 2001 they sold Afghanistan to Americans, and today sell to the hindus, the Chinese and Russians.

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            • #7
              Russia is afraid of export of islamic idea from Afghanistan to Middle Asia. Therefore Moscow is interested in continuation of war in Afghanistan. China is afraid of export of islamic idea from Afghanistan and Zone of tribes to East Turkestan. Therefore Beijing is interested in continuation of battle actions in Afghanistan and Zone of tribes. India does not want stability and safety in Pakistan. Therefore Delhi is interested in continuation of war in Afghanistan, in injury of territorial integrity and sovereignty of Pakistan. Interests of Moscow, Beijing and Delhi coincide in Afghanistan.

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              • #8
                I am not getting it why is india involving Pakistan into it.And why would be Pakistan concerned about $7million ammunition financing deal.

                Beside this i can understand the reason of India not directly supplying it from its own defence industry even though they have everything Afghanistan security forces needs
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                • #9
                  ISI propaganda. India wants a stable Afghanistan more than any other nation because a stable Afghanistan keeps Pakistan in check.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Elixir View Post
                    ISI propaganda. India wants a stable Afghanistan more than any other nation because a stable Afghanistan keeps Pakistan in check.
                    Please tell me,How will a stable Afghanistan keep Pakistan in check?

                    Pakistan doesnt need any support or route from Afghanistan,Neither does Pakistan expect any investment of even moral support from Afghanistan.Now tell me how will a stable Afghanistan keep Pakistan in check?

                    Let me tell you that a Stable Afghanistan is in favour of Pakistan.Be it economically or even trades.

                    Do you know Pakistan more than 50% export is into Pakistan and it will continue so for the decades to come.Apart from this 40% of Afghanistan import also is from Pakistan.The potential of trade between Afghanistan and Pakistan is in excess of 10Billion dollars within the next 5years.

                    Do you even know that Iran doesnt agree to the UN convention of of giving duty free access to landlocked countries into warm water which end up hurting basic Afghan traders and also common people since the cost per object value also is increased with the transit route fee.

                    Well Pakistan No matter what but in time of needs has helped Afghanistan and most important Pakistani People are friendly toward the Afghan refugees in Pakistan.On the other hand you have no idea how much racism is used against afghan in Iran.Not only Afghan but even Pakistanis but since Pakistanis are very rare in Iran.This is not noticed.I remember reading a story in news some years back about a Afghan refugee camp where they were not even allowed to enter into cities and build sunni mosque
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                      Please tell me,How will a stable Afghanistan keep Pakistan in check?

                      Pakistan doesnt need any support or route from Afghanistan,Neither does Pakistan expect any investment of even moral support from Afghanistan.Now tell me how will a stable Afghanistan keep Pakistan in check?

                      Let me tell you that a Stable Afghanistan is in favour of Pakistan.Be it economically or even trades.

                      Do you know Pakistan more than 50% export is into Pakistan and it will continue so for the decades to come.Apart from this 40% of Afghanistan import also is from Pakistan.The potential of trade between Afghanistan and Pakistan is in excess of 10Billion dollars within the next 5years.

                      Do you even know that Iran doesnt agree to the UN convention of of giving duty free access to landlocked countries into warm water which end up hurting basic Afghan traders and also common people since the cost per object value also is increased with the transit route fee.

                      Well Pakistan No matter what but in time of needs has helped Afghanistan and most important Pakistani People are friendly toward the Afghan refugees in Pakistan.
                      i have heard another stories that afghans are forced to speak urdu and lose their language pashto, pakistani i have met hate pashtuns not all but most they consider them as backward
                      On the other hand you have no idea how much racism is used against afghan in Iran.Not only Afghan but even Pakistanis but since Pakistanis are very rare in Iran.This is not noticed.I remember reading a story in news some years back about a Afghan refugee camp where they were not even allowed to enter into cities and build sunni mosque
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hallo View Post
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                        if you live in Pakistan,YOu have no choice but to learn urdu even if you live in waziristan or in karachi.

                        similarly is you live in gulf countries,you will have to learn arabic or persian in iran.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                          if you live in Pakistan,YOu have no choice but to learn urdu even if you live in waziristan or in karachi.

                          similarly is you live in gulf countries,you will have to learn arabic or persian in iran.
                          if you live in germany you have to learn german and to speak

                          but you cannot compare it

                          its like all chechens have to speak russian and all institutions are in russian althought chechnya belong to chechen and its their territory the same with pashtuns in pakistan

                          i agree with urdu like english in india
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                            Please tell me,How will a stable Afghanistan keep Pakistan in check?

                            Pakistan doesnt need any support or route from Afghanistan,Neither does Pakistan expect any investment of even moral support from Afghanistan.Now tell me how will a stable Afghanistan keep Pakistan in check?

                            Let me tell you that a Stable Afghanistan is in favour of Pakistan.Be it economically or even trades.

                            Do you know Pakistan more than 50% export is into Pakistan and it will continue so for the decades to come.Apart from this 40% of Afghanistan import also is from Pakistan.The potential of trade between Afghanistan and Pakistan is in excess of 10Billion dollars within the next 5years.

                            Do you even know that Iran doesnt agree to the UN convention of of giving duty free access to landlocked countries into warm water which end up hurting basic Afghan traders and also common people since the cost per object value also is increased with the transit route fee.

                            Well Pakistan No matter what but in time of needs has helped Afghanistan and most important Pakistani People are friendly toward the Afghan refugees in Pakistan.On the other hand you have no idea how much racism is used against afghan in Iran.Not only Afghan but even Pakistanis but since Pakistanis are very rare in Iran.This is not noticed.I remember reading a story in news some years back about a Afghan refugee camp where they were not even allowed to enter into cities and build sunni mosque
                            A stable Afghanistan will make sure that Indian spies could get easy access to Pakistan because of the porous border. Also India could supply all the anti-Pakistan movements through Afghanistan.

                            Afghanistan invaded what is now Pakistan in 1919 and forced the British to declare Afghanistan independent. Afghanistan could easily attack Pakistan in case Pakistan and India go to war.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Elixir View Post
                              A stable Afghanistan will make sure that Indian spies could get easy access to Pakistan because of the porous border. Also India could supply all the anti-Pakistan movements through Afghanistan.

                              Afghanistan invaded what is now Pakistan in 1919 and forced the British to declare Afghanistan independent. Afghanistan could easily attack Pakistan in case Pakistan and India go to war.
                              Sorry but it doesnt work so.Hate to admit but Indian political system has got alot mature and we are still struck.

                              Pakistan has forced india to accept LOC as international border but it is Pakistan which is still in dreams for region upto ladakh.we may indeed see Pakistan and india problem getting solved under MODI in india.Because even last time from the same party Pakistan under musharaf and india under vajpaye were close to get the kashmir problem solved but later our Govt got changed.

                              Afghanistan can't attack Pakistan.and i am sure you know this much better than me.Beside this Like pakistan enjoy support in kashmir,Afghanistan doesnt even enjoy support among the pashtun belt in Pakistan let alone the rest of Pakistan
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