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    NEW DELHI: India has signed an agreement under which it will pay Russia to supply arms and equipment to the Afghan military as foreign combat troops prepare to leave the country, in a move that risks infuriating Pakistan.

    Under the deal, smaller arms such as light artillery and mortars will be sourced from Russia and moved to Afghanistan.

    But it could eventually involve the transfer of heavy artillery, tanks and even combat helicopters that the Afghans have been asking India for since last year.

    India has already been training military officers from Afghanistan, hosted a 60-member Special Forces group last year in the deserts of Rajasthan and supplied equipment such as combat vehicles and field medical support facilities.

    But the decision to meet some of Afghanistan's military hardware demands – albeit sourcing them from Russia – points to a deepening role in Afghanistan aimed at preventing it from slipping back into the hands of the Taliban and other militant groups that are hostile to India.

    It comes as China, another big player in the region which borders Afghanistan via a small, remote strip of land, is preparing for a more robust role in Afghanistan, also concerned that the withdrawal of Nato troops will leave a hotbed of militancy on its doorstep.

    Like China, India is unlikely to put boots on the ground to reinforce its strategy in Afghanistan.

    “We can't commit troops on the ground, we can't give them the military equipment that they have been asking us for, for all sorts of reasons including the lack of surplus stocks,” said an Indian foreign ministry official, declining to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue.

    “Involving a third party is the next best option,” the official said, referring to plans to source military supplies from Russia for Afghan forces.

    The lack of direct access to Afghanistan poses additional hurdles to arms transfers.

    An Indian team visited Moscow in February to firm up the deal, the official said.

    The two countries will also help Afghanistan restart an old armaments factory near Kabul and prepare an inventory of Russian military equipment in Afghanistan that could be refitted for use. That dates back to the Soviet invasion of 1979-89, although much of the hardware is beyond repair.

    “We'll work with India directly as well as trilaterally involving Russia,” said an Afghan official in New Delhi.

    “Most of India's weapons are made in Russia or co-produced with Russia, so it makes sense. Also the three-way arrangement is cost-effective.”

    Indian officials said they had held talks with China, Japan and Iran to find ways to fund Afghan security demands that outgoing President Hamid Karzai told his Indian hosts during a visit last year would touch $4 billion a year.

    Pakistan wary
    India's neighbour and rival Pakistan is likely to be angered by any move to help arm Afghan forces, even if indirectly.

    Pakistan shares a long border with Afghanistan and has traditionally exerted considerable influence on Kabul.

    But under Karzai, and since the ouster of the Taliban movement in 2001, relations have deteriorated amid accusations that Pakistan has failed to stop militants crossing into Afghanistan and launching frequent, deadly attacks.

    Asked about India's plans to supply Russian arms to Afghanistan, Pakistani foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said: “I don't have any confirmation, so it would be premature to comment on it.” A military spokesman did not return calls seeking comment.

    Ahmed Rashid, an author and expert on the region, said the deal could aggravate relations between India and Pakistan – nuclear-armed neighbours who have fought three wars – if the arms supplied were heavy enough to be deemed “offensive.”

    “Diplomacy and political dialogue are what will bring peace to Afghanistan,” he said. “What is not going to bring peace is more weapons.”

    Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the state agency responsible for arms and military cooperation deals, declined comment on the agreement.

    But Alexander Golts, an independent Moscow-based defence expert, said Russia had a similar arrangement with the United States under which it had delivered Mi-17 helicopters to Afghanistan.

    The programme is now threatened by US sanctions on Russian government officials and firms linked to President Vladimir Putin as punishment for intervention in Ukraine, he said.

    Golts said India and Russia were likely to play a significant role in Afghanistan as coalition troops withdraw.

    “At the end of the day, and despite all the contradictions, it's very important for Washington to keep Russia engaged in Afghanistan.”

    Karzai's “shopping list” submitted to New Delhi last year comprised 66 items ranging from tanks to spares for Afghanistan's small fleet of helicopters. Karzai also wanted Indian instructors at the British-funded “Sandhurst in the Sand” military academy built outside Kabul to train Afghan military officers.

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    Pakistan wants us to cede our foreign policy to Islamabad, not unlike the period before 1919.

    His Highness the Amir will enter into no engagements with Foreign States, and will not take up arms against any Foreign State, except with the concurrence of the British Government.


    We may have no choice but to accept it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
      Pakistan wants us to cede our foreign policy to Islamabad, not unlike the period before 1919.


      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Gandamak

      We may have no choice but to accept it.
      Given that you seem to be convinced that the first and the last ill that plagues Afghanistan is caused by Pakistan, why do you believe that choosing India over Pakistan (an antagonizing provocation of the highest order) is anything but an insane thing to do?

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      • #4
        Not sure why they thought Pakistan will be upset over this development when the official already has declared not to comment on the issue.

        It also doesnt quote any official of Pakistan Govt expressing concern over this development
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Herat View Post
          Given that you seem to be convinced that the first and the last ill that plagues Afghanistan is caused by Pakistan, why do you believe that choosing India over Pakistan (an antagonizing provocation of the highest order) is anything but an insane thing to do?
          Al afghani itself is a indian,He operate in other forum with bharata username.

          He disguise as a Pakistani even though considering himself a Afghan.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Herat View Post
            Given that you seem to be convinced that the first and the last ill that plagues Afghanistan is caused by Pakistan, why do you believe that choosing India over Pakistan (an antagonizing provocation of the highest order) is anything but an insane thing to do?
            I think you misunderstood me. I said we have to accept Pakistan's demands.

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            • #7
              Why does India support the Afghanistan collaborationists? India does not want the triumph of Islam in Afghanistan. India is an enemy of the Sacred defensive of Afghanistan.

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              • #8
                India, China and Russia, hate Islam and moslems. Hindus kill moslems in Kashmir, the Chinese kill moslems in East Turkestan, Russians kill moslems in Chechnya. Today they want that moslems killed each other. Therefore Delhi, Beijing and Moscow, support collaborationists in Afghanistan. They do not want safety and Islam on Afghanistan earth.

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                • #9
                  I remember reading that india and russia have plans to create weapons factory for Afghanistan to be independent.
                  Facebook Page name: All Afghans & Indians united against Porkistan ISI

                  Link: facebook.com/AfghanInterestOnlyNoPuppetry

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zubr-Zubr View Post
                    India, China and Russia, hate Islam and moslems. Hindus kill moslems in Kashmir, the Chinese kill moslems in East Turkestan, Russians kill moslems in Chechnya. Today they want that moslems killed each other. Therefore Delhi, Beijing and Moscow, support collaborationists in Afghanistan. They do not want safety and Islam on Afghanistan earth.
                    So what? Afghanistan doesnt expect "safety of islam" from india but economic and defence cooperation and investments. Moreover pakis are too poisonous and murdar, paleed... if afghans sunk, they should also sunk napakistan through India.
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                    • #11
                      1. The ANA, Afghan National Army is far more organized and better trained than in the past and is containing the Taliban.

                      2. As long as the ANA is able to prevent the Taliban from taking Kabul and other big cities such as Jalalabad and Kandahar (the northern and western cities e.g. Herat, Mazar i Sharif are not falling to the Taliban any time with their non-Pashtun inhabitants) then this gives time for the Afghan national government to continue building the country which includes:

                      - Continuing to increase the massive spread of education in Afghanistan.

                      - Continuing to increase mass female education.

                      - Continuing to improve the economy, national institutions and other things.

                      All of this will contribute to a higher HDI (Human Development Index) which will mean that the likelihood of a Taliban takeover in Afghanistan is as likely as that in other Muslim countries. In other Muslim countries "Islamist" parties/coalitions have won power but have always had to compromise their agenda due to social resistance from powerful minorities (usually secular upper middle class) e.g. Tunisia.


                      3. The Afghan national government should provide scholarships to the sons/daughters or families of important tribal leaders to study in elite western universities so that they will seeing the more advanced state of western societies will lobby their influential fathers/uncles against supporting backwards fundamentalists.


                      4. On a military level the Afghan national army seems to be doing well against the Pakistani-backed insurgents, the ANA is getting stronger, the Taliban are getting weaker.



                      A Taliban group leader was arrested along with a number of other militants by Afghan security forces in Kabul city.

                      Interior ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqi said the detained Taliban leader was recognized as Qari Abdul Latif who was involved in anti-government insurgency activities during the past years.

                      Mr. Sediqi further added that the Taliban leader was arrested based on an intelligence report from Kabul city.

                      He said Qari Abdul Latif was leading a group of 20 insurgents in central Bamiyan province and he was arrested along with three other insurgents.
                      According to Sediqi, Qari Abdul Latif was involved in murder, armed attacks, robbery and roadside bombings in Bamiyan province.
                      Bamiyan is among the peaceful provinces in central Afghanistan where fewer anti-government insurgency activities have been reported.
                      A Taliban group leader was arrested along with a number of other militants by Afghan security forces in Kabul city. Interior ministry spokesman Sediq




                      With Russian, Chinese and Indian support the Kabul national government should be able to stop the Pakistani-backed insurgents from taking power.

                      The war in Syria is far greater, Syria is on fire now whereas Afghanistan is far more stable than Syria and also Pakistan where a while ago the Afghan national cricket team refused to tour due to security concerns.

                      The main thing is that even if Abdullah Abdullah becomes president he does not become an Emperor with absolute power but a head of a government where he must work with other Afghans including Pashtuns and Uzbeks who will contain any excessive Tajik domination. He will be leader for 60 months, it is unwise to start a war over that as his tenure in office will probably end after 60 months (5 years).

                      Afghans must be united.



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                        So what? Afghanistan doesnt expect "safety of islam" from india but economic and defence cooperation and investments. Moreover pakis are too poisonous and murdar, paleed... if afghans sunk, they should also sunk napakistan through India.
                        Relations between Afghanistan and India will never be good. It is impossible to support economic, political and soldiery contacts with hindus, while they kill moslems. Afghanistan does not need a foreign patron and guardian. Allah is a patron and defender of the Afghanistan people.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zubr-Zubr View Post
                          Relations between Afghanistan and India will never be good. It is impossible to support economic, political and soldiery contacts with hindus, while they kill moslems. Afghanistan does not need a foreign patron and guardian. Allah is a patron and defender of the Afghanistan people.
                          Dont get spirtual on me, countries are not friends and brothers, its all about mutual interests and benefits, and trade.
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                          • #14
                            despite karzai's begging for over a decade, india still won't sell/donate heavy weapons to afg.

                            it is pathetic and hilarious.
                            There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                            Sayyid Qutb

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                            • #15
                              All the pakis here are raging that india wants to help afghans and their country lol.
                              "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                              -Old Pashtun proverb




                              "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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