Hamid Gul,s latest interview on afghan election,dr abdullah is my freind,hamid gul

[Smarty]

Look at the beardless face of this munafiq hamid gul, i am sure he doesnt pray salat like most of the punjabis yet he is talking about sharia. His munafiq colleague colonel imam said about afghans "ye afghani musalman tou howay hain lekin islam ki samaj unko nahi he", referring them as savages. Now the watch the video of coln imam dancing to the punjabi song.
Col Imam ka dance.............. - YouTube

[Karachi]

I don't quite understand.


Pakistani establishment has always supported Pashtuns in Afghanistan. So they are bad for doing this?

I don't understand???

There are so many countries trying to gain influence within Afghanistan.

Pakistan has always given support to the Pashtuns, who are in majority of Afghanistan.

India, US, Iran are all in favor of Northerners.

If Afghans want the Tajik/Hazara/Turkemen to rule them, I have no objections. But, our Pakistani Pashtuns have always wanted them to have a haq in government.

If Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazaras, Turks, are all in consensus, then we as Pakistanis don't have any problem. In fact, I think it is good that Afghans get over their ethnic tensions and become unified.

But please. Don't blame Pakistan. We Pakistanis have only ever offered our Afghan brothers help.

We don't put Afghans in concentration camps like Iran. We accept Afghans openly. Afghans have many businesses in Pakistan. We are the country that has accepted the most refugees in the entire world.

Why?

Because we don't see Afghans as refugees, but our own people. Many of you members have used the kindness of Pakistan as a platform to enter western countries.

I don't blame you guys, but please, don't insult Pakistan.

Pakistanis hold Afghans closer to their hearts than the Arabs from Saudi Arabia.

I hope you guys on this forum understand what I am trying to say.

Supported them how exactly? is that the reason why pashtuns on the afghan side dislike the pakistani state? Pakistani state only brought extremism to the region, which has resulted both pakistan/afghanistan being a hot bed of terrorism. Even Pakistan is paying a heavy price for that now.

[Toramana]

Carlotta Gall's the author of wrong enemy interview. At some point she says, Abdullah's team told her Durand Line will be recognized.


The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan 2001-2014 Book Discu - YouTube

[Toramana]

At 39:40 she says a person very close to Dr. Abdullah told her.

[Toramana]

Look at the inhumanity. What brutes. Watch at 19.01

ACCESS POINT - Carlotta Gall: The Wrong Enemy - 04.04.14 - YouTube

[Al-Afghani]

Carlotta Gall's the author of wrong enemy interview. At some point she says, Abdullah's team told her Durand Line will be recognized.


The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan 2001-2014 Book Discu - YouTube

Good fences make good neighbors. Hopefully by formally recognizing the Durand line as the border, Pakistan will quit their support for certain proxies.

[Toramana]

Good fences make good neighbors. Hopefully by formally recognizing the Durand line as the border, Pakistan will quit their support for certain proxies.

Pashtuns are not neighbours. They are one family, one people. Outsiders cannot decide for them who is neighbour and where the separation wall should be.

[Al-Afghani]

Pashtuns are not neighbours. They are one family, one people. Outsiders cannot decide for them who is neighbour and where the separation wall should be.

Pakistan and the entire world recognize the border, it's not disputed territory like Kashmir.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Hindus as well as Sikhs are your cousins and brothers in language, race, and culture. Why do you refer to them so negatively?

Some points about Pakistani nationalist troll, Punjabi Watan.

1. Punjabi Watan tries to use the "Islam card" and "Muslim Brothers" card to silence all criticism of the Pakistani state here from Afghans and others.

As part of this strategy the foul-mouthed and abusive Pakistani nationalist pretends to be a humanitarian, simple nice guy, lover of peace and dubs anyone who dislikes Pakistani nationalism as a racist.

2. However though Afghans are far more critical of Pakistan and Punjabis than I am e.g. Smarty he is relatively restrained with them however his "nice guy" mask comes off when I say something in a calm, polite and analytical way about the failed terrorist state of Pakistan and then he starts insulting, abusing e.g. insulting my family, calling me a non-Muslim etc (as if criticizing Pakistan takes you outside of Islam).


3. The penultimate point is that the propaganda that the defence.pk forum (run by American Pakistani, Ahsan Farooqi) is spreading with collusion from Jamaatis that Bangladesh is run by India is being promoted by Pakistani nationalists such as Punjabi Watan.

a: Bangladesh is the second biggest purchaser of Chinese arms and has a 5 million reserve para-military force.

b: Bangladesh has recently set the world record for the number of people singing a national anthem, around 1/4 a million.

Not something you would want to do if you want people to forget about being Bangladeshi and be part of India.

c: Bangladesh has no foreign military bases on its soil be it American or Chinese.


4. Pakistan is a failed terrorist state with no honour, which once again betrayed Islam and Muslims when under the orders of their Christian masters in the US they attacked Muslim Afghans after 9/11 despite having their much vaunted "nuclear bomb".

Here is a quote from a Pakistani about Pakistan.

PF forum member "Karachi":

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=43299

Saudis and Gulf Arabs basically own Pakistan and Pakistanis, they have huge palaces in many places in Sindh/Punjab, they basically come there and do whatever they want. I really blame the slave mentality of pakistanis for this. They have sold the country to everyone in every way, be it these rich arab guys, terrorists, chinese, americans etc... basically anyone can use Pakistani soil for anything. There is no dignity in anything over there. Obviously the blame for this goes to the ISI/Army/government, yet we still have people in Pakistan worshiping these institutions

People like Punjabi Watan.


To all members please do not quote Punjabi Watan as he is a foul-mouthed abusive troll trying to silence all criticism of the policies of the Pakistani regime and ISI who are probably paying him to post his nonsense.

[gadoonwal]

Hamid Gul is still the most influentail person in pakistani establishment.
Just last week he recieved Serajul haque in mansoora .
Now back to the topic.
IsI AND HAMID GUL enjoy a good relation with Dr Abdullah.
They settled their issues and Abdullah will fully co-operate with pakistani establishment.
Abdullah could reach to the final agreement on durand with pakistani establishment.
The indian influence will be limited in the future abdullah govt.
Northren allaince leaders are in touch with pakistani ,,isi,, since the late 70s.
Later pakistan supported Gul Budin but he has no support base therefore pakistan build up good relation with northreners.

Also pakistan is deeply involved in afghan affairs so it is not easy to reach to the top without blessing from islam abad.
Afghans made a big mistake by not supporting Ghani.
Ghani was going to build up strong economy and new trade routs.
Once you have strong economy and free trade routs then the infuluence of pakistan will be reduced.Afghans will decided their own futrue.
At present pakistan has got the remote control of afghanistan.

No country of the wolrd condemn the role of pakistan in afghanistan.
The world is ruled by westren evils and they have slaves like pakistan.

[Pakwatan]

Some points about Pakistani nationalist troll, Punjabi Watan.

1. Punjabi Watan tries to use the "Islam card" and "Muslim Brothers" card to silence all criticism of the Pakistani state here from Afghans and others.

As part of this strategy the foul-mouthed and abusive Pakistani nationalist pretends to be a humanitarian, simple nice guy, lover of peace and dubs anyone who dislikes Pakistani nationalism as a racist.

2. However though Afghans are far more critical of Pakistan and Punjabis than I am e.g. Smarty he is relatively restrained with them however his "nice guy" mask comes off when I say something in a calm, polite and analytical way about the failed terrorist state of Pakistan and then he starts insulting, abusing e.g. insulting my family, calling me a non-Muslim etc (as if criticizing Pakistan takes you outside of Islam).


3. The penultimate point is that the propaganda that the defence.pk forum (run by American Pakistani, Ahsan Farooqi) is spreading with collusion from Jamaatis that Bangladesh is run by India is being promoted by Pakistani nationalists such as Punjabi Watan.

a: Bangladesh is the second biggest purchaser of Chinese arms and has a 5 million reserve para-military force.

b: Bangladesh has recently set the world record for the number of people singing a national anthem, around 1/4 a million.

Not something you would want to do if you want people to forget about being Bangladeshi and be part of India.

c: Bangladesh has no foreign military bases on its soil be it American or Chinese.


4. Pakistan is a failed terrorist state with no honour, which once again betrayed Islam and Muslims when under the orders of their Christian masters in the US they attacked Muslim Afghans after 9/11 despite having their much vaunted "nuclear bomb".

Here is a quote from a Pakistani about Pakistan.

PF forum member "Karachi":

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=43299

People like Punjabi Watan.


To all members please do not quote Punjabi Watan as he is a foul-mouthed abusive troll trying to silence all criticism of the policies of the Pakistani regime and ISI who are probably paying him to post his nonsense.

You are such a pathetic person. Of course we Pakistanis don't give you Bangladeshis honor. You have the blood of hindus in you, and are backstabbers. You broke our country for Hindu greed. We spit on you paan eaters. Even today you kill bazurg Maulvis in the name of India and your begharati. I am glad Bangladesh became independent. Your *****s serves in Dehli instead of Pakistan. A sigh of relief.


We might be a failed state, but we are not a slave state like Bangladesh. We are not a proxy state like Afghanistan. We are not a rapist state like India.

We are Pakistanis.

Go kill yourself.

LOL.

[Bengal_Tiger]

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Punjabi Watan, stop quoting me and stop following me around the forums.

I do not consider you important enough to quote or even want to read your Pakistani nationalist nonsense, as it as a waste of my valuable time.

You however seem to be obsessed with reading my posts (I am flattered that you find them worth reading and of such great benefit to you, maybe you can receive some education from them), quoting them and replying to them.

This is a Pashtun forum where people come to interact with Pashtuns and not a Pakistani nationalist forum where people come to interact with Pakistani nationalists like you who ruin this forum with personal attacks, abuse of people's families and spamming the forum with lots of Urdu (an Indian language from the Ganges valley) that has nothing to do with Pashto.

Bye.


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To Toramana and everyone else,

I am no expert on Afghanistan but from my limited knowledge the key bone of contention between Afghanistan and Pakistan is the Durrand Line and secondarily the status of Pashtun areas of Pakistan.

If Abdullah does recognize the so-called "Durrand line"

a: Does that necessarily mean they will erect strong border controls on it and thus prevent the free flow of Pashtuns on their own land and separate families that live on either side of this so-called "border"?


b: Can this move be undone by a future Afghanistan government considering international treaties are international treaties and are seen as representing the state which signs it and not the leader/ruling party of that time?


c: Will armed tribesmen of FATA and eastern Afghanistan militarily resist this decision? Even the Taliban didn't accept the "Durrand line" and as I said this would physically separate Waziris, Mohmands, Kakars etc from each side of the border from each other.

[gadoonwal]

Pashtunist leader of afghanistan will not be supported by pakistani establishment.They know that the rise of pashtuns in afghanistan could harm their national interest.
Pashtuns could rise for their unity on both side of durandline.
Somehow the world powers and the regional powers are playing game here to keep pashtuns out of power on both side of durndline.
On one side they brought pro-paki PTI in pashtunkhwa and on the other side they are planing to bring abdullah.
who is abdullah and he is planing for, we all know.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pashtunist leader of afghanistan will not be supported by pakistani establishment.They know that the rise of pashtuns in afghanistan could harm their national interest.
Pashtuns could rise for their unity on both side of durandline.
Somehow the world powers and the regional powers are playing game here to keep pashtuns out of power on both side of durndline.
On one side they brought pro-paki PTI in pashtunkhwa and on the other side they are planing to bring abdullah.
who is abdullah and he is planing for, we all know.

Why do these western powers hate Pakhtoons so much?

[gadoonwal]

It´s awesome how my friend Jadoonwal has learned English in the last two months :D .. once broken and alot of mix and now perfect English lol

interesting my dear freind balkhi bastan or bostan
I exposed abdullah and now you are concern for my english.
If i write something in the support of N/A then you will thanked me,right.
But you are right my english is not good and your pashtu is zero so what should i do?
At least you guys understand my point and thats all i need.
Thanks for calling me with jadoonwal.Jadoon is my tribe .The eastren pashtuns call us gadoon and the westren call us jadoon.We use jadoon is our tribe name.In southrener pashtu it was zjadoon but now most of us speak northrner pashtu.Since we are sarounded by sarbani pashtuns so we speak pukhto.

Abdullah could,nt reach to southreners and has support base is punjsher valley and north.
So afghanistan need a leader to take care of all afghans and unite the country.
abdullah ,s agenda is well known.He is no different then people like latif pedram.
Now he enjoy good relation with hamid gul so think about it why?