Why do Afghans hate Pakistani people

[Bengal_Tiger]

I live in Karachi and I do notice this a lot. I'm quite the oddity because my family is incredibly mixed. Everything from Polish to British to Uzbek to Pashtun to Punjabi to Mohajir to Bengali.

Pakistan is heavily set back in any real intellectual development because more emphasis is placed on the income opportunities of a field rather than intellectual worth. A person is far more likely to become an engineer for the sake of getting a job rather than being a scientist for the sake of research. +No one goes into the social sciences or humanities/arts. In a society where people are bleaching their skin to be "fair", it's not surprising that tribal mentally reigns supreme.

I tend to be verbose at times and to write excessively so I will try to rein that in, but suffice to say I could write paragraphs about the problems of Pakistan but they include feudalism, the military, ethnic/racial division and NOW sectarianism which until a decade ago was not a major problem (bar the Sipah i Sahaba who Musharraf locked up).

Karachi is definitely an interesting city. A megapolis with a population 4-5 times greater than a country like Israel for example, with Wahabis, Shias, Zoroastrians in the same city and also hardcore fundamentalists and Taliban as well as lesbian and homosexual parties on the other.

Pakistan definitely won't last for too long. Afghanistan on the other hand is older than most nation-states in the world e.g. older than every south American country, nearly all African countries, most eastern European countries etc.

From Karachi to Vancouver...lol...what a difference!

[Bost Bastan News]

Please re read your own post,You said CIA has recognized Pakistan as a terrorist state

*First Link:It merely mention militant groups operating in Pakistan,I don't know why you posted this when i have not even asked for this.We do know We have many terrorist groups in Pakistan of which Pakistan has killed 28-29thousand alone compared to 81thousand in Afghanistan by 42 countries

*2nd Link:It again doesnt mention CIA but rather Afghanistan and India.Against both of them Pakistan has proof of them supporting Terrorism in Pakistan.Afghanistan national army was caught by NATO itself and than later exposed of hiding latif mehsud and is known to be giving safe stay to Fazlullah in kunar for years.

*3rd link: can you tell me why you even posted this?have you yourself opened this link first?


I am talking about any extract directly from USA govt or CIA as you previously claimed.Not individual claims.Please re read your comment again.Otherwise don't waste yours and mine though you should not spread wrong propaganda uselss info next time

I don´t get you, brother.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I don´t get you, brother.

Can you give me any official link coming out of the washington claiming that Pakistan officially was involved in protecting Osama Bin laden?

Not indiividual claims but rather something directly from the american govt(present or the one since 2011).Not some ex officials

Than please also explain me why has America not invaded Pakistan yet?India will be more than willing to help USA against Pakistan?

USA invaded Iraq for a flase claim about WMD's and invaded Afghanistan when not even 1 of the 9/11 preparators were from Afghanistan.Pakistan also is very inferior to USA than why doesnt USA attack Pakistan even after Pakistan involved in Failing the american mission in Afghanistan,Supporting Militants to bomb american soldiers and later hide Osama aswell?

[Toramana]

Afghans are not alone in hating Pakistanis.

Pakistan is a universally hated and distrusted country and for valid reasons. The main reason for hatred towards Pakistan is its export of terrorism and militant jehadism to the regions around the world as far as north America and Europe. It is disliked by most of the Indians, Bangalis, and Persians. The only all-weather friend that Pakistan has got is China but if you talk to Chinese they also have got a demeaning image of Pakistanis especially after the recent terrorist incidences in their cities by elements who have been traced to basis in Pakistan. They consider it a violent, backward, and unstable country that is useful to China strategically in some limited way but is overall a liability.

The second reason for hatred towards Pakistan is its collusion with colonialism which is a direct consequence of its birth rooted in colonial interests. The Punjabi Amy that has assigned itself the task of defending Pakistan's ideological and geographical frontiers was loyal to the British crown even on Aug 13, 1947, one day before Pakistan's birth and loyally killed and oppressed fellow natives and Muslims also in our FATA to help British maintain the Raj.

In the World War I & II, around 2 million natives mostly Punjabi Muslmans fought for the British like donkeys and didn't even hesitate to shoot at the co-religious-ts Turks. The subservience continued even after the independence and Pakistan rented itself many times to the West and its hirelings, the Arab kings and Shaukhs, for money to do their dirty work.

Ask Palestinians why they hate Pakistan. They will tell you how did Pakistani Army under the command of Zia-ul-Haq killed tens of thousands of Palestinians (25000 according to one estimate) in the Black-September operation to help King of Jorden and indirectly the Israel and West.

The intensity of bloodletting by Zia ul Haq and King Hussain was such that one of the founding fathers of Israel Moshe Dayan said: “Hussein (with help from Zia-ul-Haq) killed more Palestinians in eleven days than Israel could kill in twenty years.” (Picture courtesy of Mr Muhammad Syed)

Read more: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/0...#ixzz30CF4PdHf

http://www.revcom.us/a/v20/990-99/995/hussein.htm

Recently, Pakistan has rented itself to Saudi Arabia for one and half billion dollars to supply it mercenaries it needs for its Syria mission and for repressing domestic uprising against the Al-Saud tribe. In fact, Pakistan and its Army can kill its own citizens for money. Example is the killing of its own citizens in FATA.

Another reason is the proverbial dishonesty and unlawful behavior of some Pakistanis in foreign countries. That is why the derogatory synonym Paki.

[Toramana]

How Pakistanis sold Mullah Abdu Salam Ziaf to US just for money and how General Musharaf bragged about earning millions of dollars from selling Al-Qaueda terrorists that it previously protected and gave sanctuary to. The handing over of Mullah Zaif was unprecedented in history. No country with a little self-respect will hand over a foreign official with diplomatic immunity to another country. wow.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

The Ground realities pose a complete different image

Palestinian President Mahmood Abbas thanked the people and Government of Pakistan for their consistent and unflinching support on the Palestinian cause. He conveyed these sentiments during a call by the Advisor to the Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs on the sidelines of the 20th Session of OIC's Al Quds Committee being held in Marrakech.

Sartaj Aziz informed President Abbas of assistance offered by Pakistan to the Palestinian people through ongoing capacity building programmes and activities in wide ranging areas including education and training in medical, engineering, diplomacy and other disciplines.

http://www.brecorder.com/top-stories/0:/1145134:palestinian-president-praises-pakistans-support/?date=2014-01-20

*Though i want Pakistan to recognize Israel since Pakistan has alot to gain from having Good relations with Israel.Infact Israel has approached Pakistan many time for possible relations but Pakistan still is deep into Muslim Ummah concept

Anyway Pakistan Foriegn policy is changing from only india centric to Middle east,May be Pakistan is too confident of the support of China

[Baraki]

Well because pashtuns want their own state or they want to be reunited with their families on the other side of the invalid border. Too bad the 1947 referendum said pakistan or india only lol.. India is much worse..

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[DaZahroJaam.]

there are certain aspects of their system whether educational, legislative/political that are and must be questioned not only by afghans but pakistanies themselves too. not just pakistan, such should be the case with every country because only criticism like that can force for things things be extimprovised and made better.
you are not supposed to hate people, countries or nations but their habits and their ways that can be fixed by the introduction of better means. if you do or claim to hate people, countries or nations for such reasons, you are no better than them. in the scale of things, you are placed as a pakistani by how genuinly you admit to and question the faults within the system of your government and of the beliefs of your people and as an afghan, by how perceptive you are of the genuine faults of other people and how idly you tend to toss blame at an entire nation for the faults of a few.
at the end of the day, we have lots of pakistanies who are delusional and even more afghans who are idle accusers. neither are better than the other. therefore, the subject of the hatred of afghans for pakistan and pakistanies is an invalid one and the question of it, futile.

[Karachi]

The policies of the Pakistani state has made the region much worse, can we blame anyone not too hate us? Many Pakistanis themselves are questioning so many things now about the state, army, ISI. Just watch the Pakistani media and news channels. Pakistan as a country is on fire because of their idiotic policies. Pakistanis overall need to open their eyes, rather then just keep worshiping the army, ISI and the state

[HalloIsBack]

Afghans hate Pakistanis because their nation is in shambles. They need someone to blame.

Ask a hater Afghan these questions:

1.Did Pakistan invite soviets to your country?

2. Did Pakistan help you?

3. Did Pakistan treat Afghan refugees badly?

After receiving twisted answers from Afghans, you will realize why we call them namak haram.

what is namak?

[HalloIsBack]

Bcause Pakistan is an evil country committed many atrocities in Afghanistan, Kashmir, Bengal, India, Syria, Chechenia, China. Pakistan is even listed by the CIA as a regional terrorist net-work state or something like this.

who brought terrorism to pakistan? Saudi and USA!

[BarakzaiAbdali]

People who are ignorant of history, and uneducated, or who are agenda laced, or who claim to be just but ignore historical evidence will act as if all time began in their own life time, i.e. that there were never wrongs or rights done by the other side to a conflict to result in where we are today.

As an example, take the common charge regarding mistreatment of refugees in the time of war. We all have felt this pain - surely we have - being mocked and having to pay bribes based on the accent of Pashto one speaks or the very fact that one wears a traditional turban.

Yet we forget how we also behaved when the shoe was on the other foot... Nearly a century ago, when the doldrums of the Caliphate's demise reverberated throughout the subcontinent and into central asia the ulema of that region and some important historical personages (including Bacha Khan) advocated for the hijrat movement into Afghanistan.
The basis for this was that British occupied India was labeled a house of war dominated by those that were seeking to subvert Muslim dominance, even in their own native regions.

Hundreds of thousands immigrated and were called the Muhajireen. Where did they immigrate to? Afghanistan. This was an officially sanctioned immigration that the Afghan government initially welcomed. A part of the reasoning there was that these muhijireen might serve as a vangaurd with which to eventually attack British India (i.e. they would know the terrain, etc.)- strategic depth anyone?

A large portion of these immigrants were Pashtuns as well, from the former frontier province.

Here is a great paper written by the Germans regarding this movement:

http://www.zmo.de/publikationen/ZMO_Arbeitshefte/AH5.pdf

Before one says that there were no Pashtuns involved, and lots of catcalls are made we can refer to this important section:

"Many emigrants found the Afghan climate and general conditions much less
agreeable than they bad expected.276 Tue emigrating Mahsuds complained of
the heat in the Khost area.m Dissatisfied with conditions there, they soon
looked for ways how to return.278 Many of the Waziri and Mahsud immigrants
in Khost bad been 'reduced to selling their cattle to buy food'" (page 68)

So going on, let us examine how Afghanistan treated refugees in the bygone age:

Page 69 "As long as the emigration served the intentions of the Afghans, the Afghan authorities tried to keep a check on the incidents of raiding and harassing the
emigrants. But as soon as the Afghan side lost all interest in them and was looking how to get rid of them, the check disappeared and many ernigrants fell victim to harsh tribal treatment. lt is difficult to independently verify the reports about their misery and sufferings. However, even when discounting a
certain element of bias the picture emerging from the British records appears rather grim.

Graphic tales of hardship endured by the muhajirin started dominating the reports. They stated that everywhere they were oppressed by the Amir's officials, who kicked and beat them, and demanded a tax of five rupees per head, which they took from them by force. They also commandeered their carts. The muhajirin were reported to be so bitter against those who induced them to emigrate that they were swearing to shoot the Mullahs when they reached their homes.283 A large number of returning muhajirin perished through exhaustion or disease. The road from the Frontier to Kabul was dotted with muhajirin graves. · According to eye-witnesses, the Khaiber Pass was littered with corpses.284"

The Frontier Provincial Diary would go on to say:

"The muhajirin, especially those.who went as far as Kabul, have terrible stories to tell of their privations on the journey, and the harsh and in many cases brutal, treatment which they received from the people of their adopted country..."

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What does all this mean from above? It means that when we examine behavior in the light of history and biology things make much sense.

A poorly planned mass immigration to an impoverished country will result in Darwinistic as opposed to idealistic responses. This was demonstrated in how the Afghans mistreated the Pashtun refugees of the 1920s and it has been reciprocated in the modern era with the shift across border in the other direction.

There is no need to make stupid statements as if history began yesterday and as if each person is a saint and the other a sinner.

The Afghan Amir of the era originally banked on the idea that he could reverse the gradient and have these hijraat committees become a massive 900,000 man strike force that would hit British India. Once he secured a deal from the British, the fate of the people is detailed above.

My point in this is that people who make simplified and stupid comments that are not analytical and proof based, or that do not think through a quandry or problem are merely arrogant morons talking out of their a-ss whether they be Pakistani or Afghan.

You will hear much in the modern era that is propaganda meant to secure emotional responses. Each time you hear these things ask the person for historical precedent and proof. If they cannot produce these things, or if they have not done their homework, their emotions mean little to nothing.

On the other side of things, it is the most base and ignorant human beings, meant to be used as cannon fodder, who endorse their local political leader's platform and statements without thinking about what this means for all the people involved. Most of these leaders, the Karzais, the Ghanis, Sayaafs, Nawaz Sharif's, Zardaris, amongst other political elite sell emotion and feeling devoid of fact and argument. The reason they are abject failures is that they too were bought up without the lessons of history at hand when leveling stupid and idiotic charges against one another.

[Smarty]

I accidently stumbled on an Afghani site then entered the chat room thinking it would be interesting to talk with some of our "brothers" from across the border.When they realised that i was of Pakistani origin all kinds of abuse was thrown my way together with insults to Pakistani cities,people and culture.Can anyone tell me why the Afghani's are so bitter towards us or are they just completely uncivilised people who no nothing but war and hatred??.Is Pakistan to blame for there suffering since they were invaded??.If they hate us so much then they should get out of Pak and return to the country of landmines.I'd be interested to hear experiences of other people.

The dude in your avatar is Afghan, remove it. And its Afghan not Afghani, correct yourself. You are calling Afghans barbaric and uncivilized, while your own punjabis and mohajirs have such views about your kind. Afghan's anger is understandable but why your own countrymen of punjab and sindh laugh at paki pathans like and judge you by the ever growing negative stereotypes that they have about pathans?...first earn respect of your punjabi masters then complain about behaviour of afghans, who by the way were insulting paleedistan and pakism, nothing wrong with that.

[mayan]

Afghans are not alone in hating Pakistanis.

Pakistan is a universally hated and distrusted country and for valid reasons. The main reason for hatred towards Pakistan is its export of terrorism and militant jehadism to the regions around the world as far as north America and Europe. It is disliked by most of the Indians, Bangalis, and Persians. The only all-weather friend that Pakistan has got is China but if you talk to Chinese they also have got a demeaning image of Pakistanis especially after the recent terrorist incidences in their cities by elements who have been traced to basis in Pakistan. They consider it a violent, backward, and unstable country that is useful to China strategically in some limited way but is overall a liability.

The second reason for hatred towards Pakistan is its collusion with colonialism which is a direct consequence of its birth rooted in colonial interests. The Punjabi Amy that has assigned itself the task of defending Pakistan's ideological and geographical frontiers was loyal to the British crown even on Aug 13, 1947, one day before Pakistan's birth and loyally killed and oppressed fellow natives and Muslims also in our FATA to help British maintain the Raj.

In the World War I & II, around 2 million natives mostly Punjabi Muslmans fought for the British like donkeys and didn't even hesitate to shoot at the co-religious-ts Turks. The subservience continued even after the independence and Pakistan rented itself many times to the West and its hirelings, the Arab kings and Shaukhs, for money to do their dirty work.

Ask Palestinians why they hate Pakistan. They will tell you how did Pakistani Army under the command of Zia-ul-Haq killed tens of thousands of Palestinians (25000 according to one estimate) in the Black-September operation to help King of Jorden and indirectly the Israel and West.

The intensity of bloodletting by Zia ul Haq and King Hussain was such that one of the founding fathers of Israel Moshe Dayan said: “Hussein (with help from Zia-ul-Haq) killed more Palestinians in eleven days than Israel could kill in twenty years.” (Picture courtesy of Mr Muhammad Syed)

Read more: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/0...#ixzz30CF4PdHf

http://www.revcom.us/a/v20/990-99/995/hussein.htm

Recently, Pakistan has rented itself to Saudi Arabia for one and half billion dollars to supply it mercenaries it needs for its Syria mission and for repressing domestic uprising against the Al-Saud tribe. In fact, Pakistan and its Army can kill its own citizens for money. Example is the killing of its own citizens in FATA.

Another reason is the proverbial dishonesty and unlawful behavior of some Pakistanis in foreign countries. That is why the derogatory synonym Paki.

I know Every thing but my Question is this y Afghani hate ?

I am live in Peshawar and here all Afghani people live , they have own business own home own life , they live independent ,
here Afghani muhajir every time Called that we Pashtun Pakistani and Afghani are one
but when they go to our home land , they giving abuse , they all hate ,

Our Govt is Croupt We all know better
but is this not mean that We hate Pakistan

[mayan]

Pakistan helps afghanistan in Soviet war in 1979
The different mujahideen factions could not agree on how to share power, and the country quickly descended into a bloody civil war. In 1994, a movement of Pashtun fundamentalist students most of whom were trained in madrasas (religious schools) in the refugee camps in Pakistan seized Kandahar and started a campaign to wrest the country from the hands of the warlords. Known as the Taliban, this force marched into Kabul in 1996 and took control of most of the rest of the country by 1998. Many mujahideen warlords were forced to flee to the north, where they joined the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan