Abdullah must become a symbol of Afghan unity

[Kushan Prince]

Wasn´t 2009 the year or presidential election as well and didn´t Mr. Abdullah used the same tactic in 2014 again? hahahaha Mr. Abdullah is power hungry. Mr. Atta has indeed Pashtun ancestry. His father is from Logar Mohamad Agha district. His mother is from Azra. You support Ghani. You must know that Birlik Turkistanis like Dostum use this always to weaken Mr. Atta´s position among his Farsiwans :D His wife is the cousine of Mr. Qanuni´s wife. Both hailing from Nangarhar.

Prove it then. Atta is NOT pashtun even if he claims to be. He is a pure strict farsiwan and has expressed his hatred for pashtuns by deliberately not fixing pashtuns areas in Balkh. My aunt is an MP i would know, so please Mr. Bostan give us some proof that his father is from Logar.

[Bost Bastan News]

Prove it then. Atta is NOT pashtun even if he claims to be. He is a pure strict farsiwan and has expressed his hatred for pashtuns by deliberately not fixing pashtuns areas in Balkh. My aunt is an MP i would know, so please Mr. Bostan give us some proof that his father is from Logar.

Where do I claimed he is a Pashtun? I wrote he has Pashtun ancestory (through his mother). His from father-side he is a Farsiwan from Logar born and raised in Mazar. You accuse Mr. Atta of hatred which is totally wrong. He neither hates Pashtuns nor does he ever have done but his rivals are Pashtuns like Mr. Hamdard and Pashtun nationalists within governments. Why his wife is a Pashtun lady and his child half-Pashtuns if he hates Pashtuns? You should leave your bias stand against Mr. Atta. When all Wadat and Junbish forces killed and raped Pashtuns in the north and drove them out from many regions only Mr. Atta helped them and gave them refuge in Balkh. You say your aunt is a MP from Balkh. If this is true then you should know what the truth is. Your aunt became only MP because of Mr. Atta and she still alive because of Mr. Atta. Many Pashtuns in the north are praising Atta, specially those who live there for protecting them from Dostum´s aggression and Taliban. You live in another world than most of us. Without Mr. Atta, the situation of Pashtuns would be much worse than in the south. You need to understand that Balkh is a Farsiwan dominion where Farsiwans ruled it maybe for thousands of years. They have their own interests like promoting their identity and language as hypocrite people like you want to promote Pashtun language and identity as well. Where is there the problem? People like you are the core problems why clashes between the Farsiwans and Pashtuns in the north happen. Mr. Atta has no hands in them. It´s your nationalism trying to destabalize a whole province just because you don´t ''rule'' it.

[Kushan Prince]

Where do I claimed he is a Pashtun? I wrote he has Pashtun ancestory (through his mother). His from father-side he is a Farsiwan from Logar born and raised in Mazar. You accuse Mr. Atta of hatred which is totally wrong. He neither hates Pashtuns nor does he ever have done but his rivals are Pashtuns like Mr. Hamdard and Pashtun nationalists within governments. Why his wife is a Pashtun lady and his child half-Pashtuns if he hates Pashtuns? You should leave your bias stand against Mr. Atta. When all Wadat and Junbish forces killed and raped Pashtuns in the north and drove them out from many regions only Mr. Atta helped them and gave them refuge in Balkh. You say your aunt is a MP from Balkh. If this is true then you should know what the truth is. Your aunt became only MP because of Mr. Atta and she still alive because of Mr. Atta. Many Pashtuns in the north are praising Atta, specially those who live there for protecting them from Dostum´s aggression and Taliban. You live in another world than most of us. Without Mr. Atta, the situation of Pashtuns would be much worse than in the south. You need to understand that Balkh is a Farsiwan dominion where Farsiwans ruled it maybe for thousands of years. They have their own interests like promoting their identity and language as hypocrite people like you want to promote Pashtun language and identity as well. Where is there the problem? People like you are the core problems why clashes between the Farsiwans and Pashtuns in the north happen. Mr. Atta has no hands in them. It´s your nationalism trying to destabalize a whole province just because you don´t ''rule'' it.

LOL yeah right nothing belongs to you, not even balkh, tajiks are being ruled by a bunch of tribal pashtuns so exactly did you say about "ruling balkh for thousands for years?" Northern alliance which is a joint tajik and uzbek group, has massacred thousands of pashtuns on purpose and have displaced thousands of pashtun families in the north. I will say this to any deluded farsiwan again and again, one day pashtuns will be a majority in every region and will be under pashtun influence. This includes the north, mark my word.

[Bost Bastan News]

LOL yeah right nothing belongs to you, not even balkh, tajiks are being ruled by a bunch of tribal pashtuns so exactly did you say about "ruling balkh for thousands for years?" Northern alliance which is a joint tajik and uzbek group, has massacred thousands of pashtuns on purpose and have displaced thousands of pashtun families in the north. I will say this to any deluded farsiwan again and again, one day pashtuns will be a majority in every region and will be under pashtun influence. This includes the north, mark my word.

I hope under Pashtu-speaking Pashtuns and not fake ''Pashtuns'' living in Canada lol But yes, Balkh is part of Afghanistan.

[Al-Afghani]

LOL yeah right nothing belongs to you, not even balkh, tajiks are being ruled by a bunch of tribal pashtuns so exactly did you say about "ruling balkh for thousands for years?" Northern alliance which is a joint tajik and uzbek group, has massacred thousands of pashtuns on purpose and have displaced thousands of pashtun families in the north. I will say this to any deluded farsiwan again and again, one day pashtuns will be a majority in every region and will be under pashtun influence. This includes the north, mark my word.

Pashtuns have been killed (1.5 million), and displaced (3 million perhaps) from every region in Afghanistan for the past 35 years. While TajiksUzbeksHazaras have lived through good fortunes and increased their population significantly. Pashtuns can only increase their numbers if they import PakiPashtun settlers or repatriate refugees from Pakistan.

[Bost Bastan News]

Pashtuns have been killed (1.5 million), and displaced (3 million perhaps) from every region in Afghanistan for the past 35 years. While TajiksUzbeksHazaras have lived through good fortunes and increased their population significantly. Pashtuns can only increase their numbers if they import PakiPashtun settlers or repatriate refugees from Pakistan.

It´s not good that you always running your propaganda, dear brother. We are all civilised human-beings and we all can co-exist in peace if we want. You forget to count millions of innocent people who died because of starvation, mines, bombs, dirty drinkwater and diseases, crippled by war. Currently there are around 600 000 people unsettled in Afghanistan and alone in Kabul we have 40 000 people living under the lowest conditions even a dog wouldn´t accept to live.

[afghan]

[MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION]. I thought it was commonly held that Dr Abdullah's father was Pashtun

From BBC Pashto:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pashto/afghanis..._profile.shtml

ښاغلی عبدالله ۵۵ کاله عمر لري، پلار يې پښتون او د کندهار ولایت دی، خو مور يې پنجشېری ده چې په فارسي ژبې غږېږي

BBC (English) also says the same - I'm sure that someone can dig out the link, but from the Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...t-9208809.html

In a field otherwise made up of Pashtun candidates, Dr Abdullah, born to a Tajik mother and Pashtun father, is regarded as the candidate of choice for non-Pashtuns.

Tolafghan, in fact, take a very different view:

ډاکټر عبدالله عبدالله چې له مور او پلار دواړو څخه تاجک او د پنجشير ولايت اوسېدونکی دی اوس ځان ته پښتون او د کندهار اوسېدونکی وايي، ان دا چې په خپلو پوسټرونو کې يې له ځانه سره د ميرويس نيکه عکس هم چاپ کړی دی. دی غواړي په دې ډول د پښتنو له قبيلوي ذهنيت څخه سياسي ګټه واخلي

http://tolafghan.com/posts/14662


Given that view, the verdict is out and neither your understanding, nor mine would be correct.

His step father was a pashtun from Kandahar. his blood father was a tajik.
even if his fathers was a pashtun, but he himself has nothing to do with pashtun and pashto. he is more closed to tajiks.

[khushal]

Actually no, his father is INDEED a Pashtun from Kandahar, this article from 2009 says so as well. However this so called article says that he doesn't mention his mother being a tajik meaning he confronts more with his pashtun side.
http://www.thenation.com/article/abd...ioned-history#
I heard from one of my family members that Atta has also claimed pashtun ancestry but i don't believe it. Also can you link us the interview where he says his father is from kabul? Also as far as i know, in Pashtun culture, if your father is Pakhtun then so are you.

http://www.majalla.com/eng/2009/11/article5510442

The Mysterious Doctor
Abdullah Abdullah – The Tajiki with Presidential aspirations

The figure of Dr. Abdullah Abdullah, Afghanistan's presidential candidate, is surrounded by uncertainties and question marks vis-à-vis several issues, ranging from his refusal to divulge his real name except after he has won the elections, to the ongoing argument about his history with the Mujahideen and the tribe to which he belongs.
The Mysterious Doctor

Vagueness and political shrewdness are the qualities that characterize best Dr. Abdullah Abdullah, Afghanistan’s presidential candidate. He has so far concealed his real name, refusing to divulge it before he wins the election. Many questions also remain regarding his past. These range from issues surrounding his years as an ophthalmologist, up to when he became one of the two candidates vying for the presidential seat at the Golestan Palace.

Any keen observer of Afghanistan’s internal affairs would know that Dr Abdullah, a former Secretary of State, has always been part of the Tajik alliances in Afghanistan. He has always introduced himself as a Tajik from Panjshir (the province of Ahmad Shah Massoud – a military commander of the Northern Alliance). His presidential aspirations, however, have since led Dr. Abdullah to change his storyline. Through his website, he has been striving to portray a more unifying image about himself, notably by presenting his father as a Pashtun from Kandahar, and his mother as a Tajik from the Panjshir.

Given the shortage of specialists in Afghani affairs and the difficulty of communicating within Afghanistan, the Internet became a major channel to diffuse information about the elections. As a result, a large number of journalists and Arab foreign media have widely used the information published on Dr. Abdullah’s website. Albeit at first not many people noticed the contradictions in his past, increased scrutiny eventually revealed important inconsistencies.

Most Pakistanis know about his links to the Islamic Society Party – headed by Dr. Rabbani. The Islamic Society Party was an organization under which Tajik Afghans gathered during the eighties in their exile. It provided them with aid while also actively helping in the fight against the Soviets. Kandaharians, on the other hand, were often part of Pashtun blocs such as the Hekmatyar’s Islamic party, Sayyaf’s Dawa Party, the organizations of Sibghatullah Mojadidi, or the movement of Mr Jilani leader of the Jilani Sufism.

Further underlying these inconsistencies are old photos dating back to the eighties displaying Dr. Abdullah wearing a “Bakool,” a wool hat used by the Tajiks from the north-east of Afganistan and for which Shah Masood was famous. While for outsiders, the fact that the Kandahari people wear a completely different hat or even turbans may not mean much, in Afghanistan the head cover is of great importance. It is in fact rare for anyone to use a head cover different from the one prevalent in his home region.

Dr. Abdullah’s contradictions have become even more evident when he broke the Afghani tradition of choosing deputies from different ethnic groups. This strategy has been proven crucial in Afgani politics in helping to mobilize voters from different ethnicities around three unifying figures. For example, the Pashtun Karzai chose the Tajik Marshal Fahim as his first vice-president and Karim Khalili, a Hazara Shiite, as his second vice-president.

Dr. Abdullah chose as first deputy Humayun Shah Asefi, who comes from a well known Pashtun tribe and is a relative of the former King Mohammed Zahir Shah. This choice was overwhelmingly based on his dire need for Pashtun votes. As a relative of the King, Asefi is very respected in the Pashtun tribal community. If Dr. Abdullah had indeed descended from a Pashto Kandahari father, all he would have needed to do to easily lock-in the support of Pashtun tribes was to announce his name and tribe. The poor prospects of the Pashtun accepting his claim of being a Kandahari forced him to choose a vice-president from a well-known Pashtun family.

Dr. Abdul Shakoor Rashad, the most famous Afghani historian, highlights a further reason for these inconsistencies. Accoring to him, Dr. Abdullah descends from Tajik parents from the Panjshir Valley and his father worked for the Ministry of Works in the Kandahar province. He died three years after the birth of Abdullah. After Abdullah’s father’s death, his mother remarried a Pashtun Kandahari man. Evidence shows that Abdullah has exploited this incident to falsely trace his origin back to his mother’s husband instead of his father, believing that the vast majority would never learn the exact details of his family’s history.

Given the importance of these elections to his political future, Abdullah has worked very shrewdly in his campaign. One of his most important strategic moves was to attach his pictures next to the ones of Mirwais Hotk, one of the founders of modern Afganistan and a revered cleric in the Pashtun areas. Furthermore, Hotk descends from the Pashtun branch Glzai, the largest branch that rivals the Poplzai branch, the ancestral home of Hamid Karzai.

Dr. Abdullah knows quite well that the Glzai Pashtuns are outraged by Karzai’s move to banish them from all political positions in their regions, replacing them with members of the Poplzai branch. The objective here was clear: to grab half of the Pashtun votes in Kandahar, where more than 300,000 people voted for Mr. Karzai in the 2004 presidential elections.
Other aspects of Dr. Abdullah’s past contribute to his discredit. It is known that the Afghan resistance fighters considered anyone who remained inside Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion in 1980 as a traitor and a Communist, especially if this person was studying in educational institutions controlled by the Communists, or was working with the Communist government.

His presence in the capital Kabul until 1985 has therefore not contributed to his credibility. After graduating from the Faculty of Medicine at Kabul University in 1983, Dr. Abduallah went on to join the Nour Optical Hospital in Kabul, where he worked for two years. He then moved to Peshawar to work as an optician in Sayed Jamal al-Din hospital, and only joined the Afghan resistance fighters as an optician in 1986. It was only then that he integrated the Islamic Association Party and befriended Ahmad Shah Masood.

If Abdullah had been just an ordinary person, he might have been executed by the different groups of Mujahideen in Peshawar right on his arrival in Pakistan on charges of treason. Nevertheless, his extraordinarily political talents allowed him not only to escape trial, but also to rise quickly through the ranks, ending up the spokesman for the Islamic Association and for Ahmad Shah Masood. Although Dr. Abdullah did not actively combat the Soviets and did not participate in Jihad, he eventually became a foreign minister.

Despite being raised in a family that he himself describes as religious, in 2004 he denied having had any affiliation to the Islamic Association in any period of his life. But this denial was only a means to escape any involvement in any trial. This happened in the context of the then looming collaboration between the Karzai government and the United nations to open the files of war crimes committed by the warring Afghan parties during the civil war. Although many people were angered by his denial and criticized this behavior, Abdullah explained it as a pragmatic action required in order to establish his name in politics.

By adopting U.S. President Barak Obama’s campaign slogan “Change and Hope”, Dr. Abdullah aimed at setting a modern tone to his campaign. This was not to count with the lack of electrical infrastructure in Afganistan, which rendered the use of such tools as Facebook and the internet redundant. There were only 1770 people who registered themselves as supporters of Abdullah Abdullah, after his Facebook account showed him sitting on a chair and sipping a glass of wine with a U.S. official.

Although Dr. Abdullah used all his political skills and merits in his presidential battle, analysts and experts see him as a fan of equestrian marathons, table tennis, and basketball. The presidential contender asserts that he grew up in a religious family, was nurtured in the love of Persian poetry and any interviewer of the presidential candidate would realize his cultural background.

But the veteran diplomat risked two decades worth of personal political history. Although the Pashtuns did not vote overwhelmingly for Karzai in the first round of elections, the possibility of Dr. Abdullah winning the presidency could have mobilized Pashtun tribal and ethnic areas, which constitute the majority in Afghanistan. This could have pushed them to overcome the psychological barrier and go out on election day to polling stations in an attempt to support Karzai despite their discontent with him.

Since its establishment, the modern Afghanistan state has always been governed by someone from a Pashtun descent. Despite the fact that the Tajik Habib Allah Kalkani assumed power after a coup in January 1929 against the reformist King Amanullah Khan, Pashtun tribes cooperated with Mohammed Nader, cousin of Amanullah Khan, and succeded in deposing Kalkani.

Had Dr. Abdullah won the presidency, Taliban support would have skyrocketed. This, however, can still happen if Dr. Abdullah and Karzai do not reach a deal on power-sharing.

[khushal]

Dikan means farmer or settled people. It has nothing to do with cooking :D

your making stuff up as usual. its not dikan, its daegan.

[gadoonwal]

Where are you getting all this nonsense from?

Abdullah is not from the north, he claims to be from Kandahar and he is not the leader of northern people. Since when were there tajiks in kashmir? Umm karmal was pashtun, the reason most afghans deny him is because he was an atheist and pro communist so we have to blame others for our corrupt leaders and claim he was this and that. Abdullah is NOT a panjsheri dude.

saiba,this realy hurt me when our people are fooled by these none-pashtuns.
His step father zmaryalay was kandari,is that you want to say?

Do,nt follow what politicains say.
karmal was not pashtun .you can confirm this from any source .
pls do,nt follow wiki.
karaml was kashmiri and tajik mix.

[Al-Afghani]

your making stuff up as usual. its not dikan, its daegan.

I looked up the word cook in Farsi and it's "ashpaz".

[khushal]

I looked up the word cook in Farsi and it's "ashpaz".

you had to look it up?

daegan is a Pashto word. They live among Pashtuns, the Pashtuns called them daegan.
[MENTION=2]Admin Khan[/MENTION], you are Kandahari. Have I heard this story right, or is this wrong?

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

As far as i know Daegaan means

A person who usually Cook in weddings/or any other such ocassions.

The word i believe is derived from deg(Daig)

Picture of deg/daig



On the other hand,Daigaan is also a village in Bannu and the people of the village are left over mangal in bannu

[afghan]

The dehqan or dihqan (Persian: دهقان), were a class of land-owning magnates during the Sassanid and early Islamic period, found throughout Iranian-speaking lands.

[Bost Bastan News]

As far as i know Daegaan means

A person who usually Cook in weddings/or any other such ocassions.

The word i believe is derived from deg(Daig)

Picture of deg/daig



On the other hand,Daigaan is also a village in Bannu and the people of the village are left over mangal in bannu

This can only be in Pakistan the case .. in the land of brain killers...