Concept of Pakistan

[Karachi]

He's Salman Rushdie 2.0.

I have watched some of his videos.He's doing all this for the success of his books.

Well it doesnt matter whether Pakistan was made for muslims or Pakistanis were fooled by Jinnah and other elites in the formation of Pakistan.The fact is that the formation of Pakistan was inevitable as was the seperation of Bangladesh from Pakistan or Creation of a new Country for muslims in india when the muslims population in india will reach atleast to 25%(As per some leaks of 2011 census,The Muslim Population in india is 230Million instead of believed 180Million).

Pakistan current geography was never ever part of India historically.68-73% of Pakistani territory doesnt even fall under indian tectonic plate but rather Persian/Iranian Tectonic plate.

Other than this,He's allowed to criticize whatever he wants.Pakistan is a democracy and so does canada where he lives

Most of Punjab and Sindh are still part of Indian plate though. I think, if partition was inevitable, it should have been done properly. The borders drawn up divided so many people, Pashtuns and Punjabis included. The british played this game of divide and all muslims in the region were fooled by it

[Karachi]

As for Tarek Fateh, his stance on Pakistan Issues is correct in my opinion, he is one of the few who speaks the truth in this regard,

However his stance on (Islam) is where I completely disagree with him. Unfortunatly most of his facebook page is flooded by extreme Islam haters, who do propaganda against Islam at all times. He basically caters to the Islam hating mentality

[Badlun]

All of his speeches are in english, audiance couldnt understand what he was saying. He never interacted with general public like gandhi.
All the british sources document the fact that he used to drink wine and eat pork, didnt pray salat or any religous duty. But pakistanis deny it and PHD on jinnah is banned for this reason in pakistan.
In first assembly session of pakistan, a maulana stoop up for tilawat, jinnah said "sit down, this is not a mosque"

I loved the part that he told the Mullah that it is not a mosque. Perfect secularism. I wish Pakistan follows their founder and do not let Mullahs and Taliban to have any power in politics. Their jurisdiction as defined by Jinnah is mosque.

Whatever the story, but Jinnah carved out a new country recognized by the whole world and member of all important organizations including UN. His struggle was peaceful and constitutional. Going to jail is not a criterion that a leader is great. Otherwise all criminals in jails are great people.

He merged all Pashtun parts, all states like Swat, Kalat,Dir etc in Pakistan. Even a big chunk of Kashmir is now part of Pakistan. Jinnah was a successful leader. Pakistan is a running democracy of about 200 millions of people and a nuclear power.

This is in the better interest of Afghanistan to have good neighborly relations with Pakistan. No country can change its geography. No need to malign Pakistan with videos. Need is to befriend Pakistan so that Pakistan help Afghanistan not harm it and vice versa.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Most of Punjab and Sindh are still part of Indian plate though. I think, if partition was inevitable, it should have been done properly. The borders drawn up divided so many people, Pashtuns and Punjabis included. The british played this game of divide and all muslims in the region were fooled by it

Only Pashtun and Punjabi are divided but due to Islam Factor today,The punjabi will feel rather more closer toward pashtun or sindhi's than Non muslim punjabi in India

On the other hand,The pashtun were divided only because of Afghanistan elites and their submission of such an big territory to British india.We can't blame british for everything.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I loved the part that he told the Mullah that it is not a mosque. Perfect secularism. I wish Pakistan follows their founder and do not let Mullahs and Taliban to have any power in politics. Their jurisdiction as defined by Jinnah is mosque.

Whatever the story, but Jinnah carved out a new country recognized by the whole world and member of all important organizations including UN. His struggle was peaceful and constitutional. Going to jail is not a criterion that a leader is great. Otherwise all criminals in jails are great people.

He merged all Pashtun parts, all states like Swat, Kalat,Dir etc in Pakistan. Even a big chunk of Kashmir is now part of Pakistan. Jinnah was a successful leader. Pakistan is a running democracy of about 200 millions of people and a nuclear power.

This is in the better interest of Afghanistan to have good neighborly relations with Pakistan. No country can change its geography. No need to malign Pakistan with videos. Need is to befriend Pakistan so that Pakistan help Afghanistan not harm it and vice versa.

If Pakistan would have followed into the Pakistan the Jinnah had dreamed of,

Pakistan by now would had been a turkey 2.0 or may be even ahead and in the class of south korea.

[Smarty]

I loved the part that he told the Mullah that it is not a mosque. Perfect secularism. I wish Pakistan follows their founder and do not let Mullahs and Taliban to have any power in politics. Their jurisdiction as defined by Jinnah is mosque.

Whatever the story, but Jinnah carved out a new country recognized by the whole world and member of all important organizations including UN. His struggle was peaceful and constitutional. Going to jail is not a criterion that a leader is great. Otherwise all criminals in jails are great people.

He merged all Pashtun parts, all states like Swat, Kalat,Dir etc in Pakistan. Even a big chunk of Kashmir is now part of Pakistan. Jinnah was a successful leader. Pakistan is a running democracy of about 200 millions of people and a nuclear power.

This is in the better interest of Afghanistan to have good neighborly relations with Pakistan. No country can change its geography. No need to malign Pakistan with videos. Need is to befriend Pakistan so that Pakistan help Afghanistan not harm it and vice versa.

I understand why you are so giddy for your secular jinnah. But he was different, he used islamic slogans and made use of muslim sentiments to rally support but switched back to his secularism once his goal was achieved.

[Loy Afghanistan]

I loved the part that he told the Mullah that it is not a mosque. Perfect secularism. I wish Pakistan follows their founder and do not let Mullahs and Taliban to have any power in politics. Their jurisdiction as defined by Jinnah is mosque.

Whatever the story, but Jinnah carved out a new country recognized by the whole world and member of all important organizations including UN. His struggle was peaceful and constitutional. Going to jail is not a criterion that a leader is great. Otherwise all criminals in jails are great people.

He merged all Pashtun parts, all states like Swat, Kalat,Dir etc in Pakistan. Even a big chunk of Kashmir is now part of Pakistan. Jinnah was a successful leader. Pakistan is a running democracy of about 200 millions of people and a nuclear power.

This is in the better interest of Afghanistan to have good neighborly relations with Pakistan. No country can change its geography. No need to malign Pakistan with videos. Need is to befriend Pakistan so that Pakistan help Afghanistan not harm it and vice versa.

You are too merciful wrora. But for now its true and in our interest, for a stable "neighbour".

But in the future I hope they perish from this earth and and never seen off and the few of Pashtun ancient lines take their place again and become totally majority like 90-90 % at least.

Like I said I rather burn in hell than to see the next Pashtun future generations lost in poverty, totally mix racing, loosing their ancient ways etc. In us live our ancient Pashtun ancestors and I feel that it is our duty to respect and keep their dreams alive for what they fought and died for.

[Badlun]

I understand why you are so giddy for your secular jinnah. But he was different, he used islamic slogans and made use of muslim sentiments to rally support but switched back to his secularism once his goal was achieved.

He was an intelligent politician and we must give him the credit that first he used the two nations theory and then once got the country, tried to make it a modern secular country. He died earlier otherwise Pakistan would not have been hijacked by Mullas, Taliban and terrorists as we see it today.

His successors were inept. Except Bhuttos and may be today's Nawaz no great leader was born in Pakistan. Army rule might have damaged Pakistan but the era of Ayoub gave stability to the country. Zia was Islamist and the cause of so many problems for Pakistan while Musharraf was pure dictator although secular.

[Badlun]

You are too merciful wrora. But for now its true and in our interest, for a stable "neighbour".

But in the future I hope they perish from this earth and and never seen off and the few of Pashtun ancient lines take their place again and become totally majority like 90-90 % at least.

Like I said I rather burn in hell than to see the next Pashtun future generations lost in poverty, totally mix racing, loosing their ancient ways etc. In us live our ancient Pashtun ancestors and I feel that it is our duty to respect and keep their dreams alive for what they fought and died for.

ZAMA KHOGA WRORA
In our love for Pashtuns, Pashto and Pashtunwali we may not close eyes and may accept realities objectively and without nay prejudice. The reality is that Afghanistan will never abandon its more than 40% non Pashtun people for a greater Pashtunland and Pakistan will never let its 20% population of Pashtuns to secede and make part of some ideal Pashtunistan.

Within parameters of these realities let us work for the betterment of Pashtuns without political affiliations. Our love for Afghanistan may be differentiated from our love for Pashtuns. Every Afghan including Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazara are my Afghan political brothers but every Pashtun whether politically resident of Pakistan or Canada is my brother by blood, language, and culture.

[Soprano]

If Pakistan would have followed into the Pakistan the Jinnah had dreamed of,

Pakistan by now would had been a turkey 2.0 or may be even ahead and in the class of south korea.

Im sorry but you talk nonsense here !

If what you say was true, then pakis in western secular countries would be
known for beeing well integrated and for beeing great academics !

But look at the UK for example, the pakis there (not all of them) want sharia and are doing bad in school !

The reason why Turkey is doing good for herself is, because they are at the doorsteps of europe and open minded to Western Lifestyle and Western Advancement !

And South Korea is also open to western society something most muslims arent !

[Loy Afghanistan]

Im sorry but you talk nonsense here !

If what you say was true, then pakis in western secular countries would be
known for beeing well integrated and for beeing great academics !

But look at the UK for example, the pakis there (not all of them) want sharia and are doing bad in school !

The reason why Turkey is doing good for herself is, because they are at the doorsteps of europe and open minded to Western Lifestyle and Western Advancement !

And South Korea is also open to western society something most muslims arent !

It is not about being Muslim or religion it is about unity, free mind and freedom. I don't know about what you are talking because of few arabo-western dominated Muslim slave nations like porkis, arabic nations or warlord parasite "afghans" who oppresses their people because USA/UK NATO is backing these kings and parasites. But if you look Indonesia, Malaysia etc they are doing well. And If you look at Iran, who is going against the super strong anglo-judeo parasite and its 60-80 virus nations for nearly 35+ years and 10 years of those, waging a defensive war against Iraq whom got the support by whole arab-western powers. It is doing very well and you can live there at least a peaceful life and they have luxury life style as well. Hell western people love to ski in Iranian mountains.

Iran today is 100 % independence, 100 % "free", and almost 100 % ruled by their own nationality. Even when they are forced to fight against the only "super power" in this planet and their I don't know how many allies 60-80 states? They can manage to tell them back off. And today Iran is a geopolitical power in the region, Saudi, their "Semitic" mix raced khazarian brothers and other arab filths with all their money + western powers can't even lift a finger against Iranians and their nation.

They can only use some traitors brainwashed dogs to assassinate their own high educated nuclear scientist brothers and sisters to slow their development in the country, even that fails and we see how little these parasites can do to a Muslim country called Iran.

They now desperatly waging same tactical war in Syria to weaken Iran, same thing that they did to Afghanistan back in 1979-1993 and a different style 2001- and on. But Syria is winning against these foreign jihadists terrorist parasite cannibals who eat humans heart, behead nuns, Christians, and Muslim civilians because of their free choice to support someone the anglo-judeo and arabo parasites powers don't like. This is funny Palestinians are getting raped, tortured, live in a huge prison called Gaza, and yet these are making jihad in a Muslim country next door, and the hurt jihadists are getting treated by the Israelis.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/amazing-israel-treating-injured-al-qaida-terrorists/

https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/zionist-prime-minister-benyamin-netanyahu-take-care-of-injured-wahhabi-terrorists/

Enough said, be well.

[Badlun]

It is not about being Muslim or religion it is about unity, free mind and freedom. I don't know about what you are talking because of few arabo-western dominated Muslim slave nations like porkis, arabic nations or warlord parasite "afghans" who oppresses their people because USA/UK NATO is backing these kings and parasites. But if you look Indonesia, Malaysia etc they are doing well. And If you look at Iran, who is going against the super strong anglo-judeo parasite and its 60-80 virus nations for nearly 35+ years and 10 years of those, waging a defensive war against Iraq whom got the support by whole arab-western powers. It is doing very well and you can live there at least a peaceful life and they have luxury life style as well. Hell western people love to ski in Iranian mountains.

Iran today is 100 % independence, 100 % "free", and almost 100 % ruled by their own nationality. Even when they are forced to fight against the only "super power" in this planet and their I don't know how many allies 60-80 states? They can manage to tell them back off. And today Iran is a geopolitical power in the region, Saudi, their "Semitic" mix raced khazarian brothers and other arab filths with all their money + western powers can't even lift a finger against Iranians and their nation.

They can only use some traitors brainwashed dogs to assassinate their own high educated nuclear scientist brothers and sisters to slow their development in the country, even that fails and we see how little these parasites can do to a Muslim country called Iran.

They now desperatly waging same tactical war in Syria to weaken Iran, same thing that they did to Afghanistan back in 1979-1993 and a different style 2001- and on. But Syria is winning against these foreign jihadists terrorist parasite cannibals who eat humans heart, behead nuns, Christians, and Muslim civilians because of their free choice to support someone the anglo-judeo and arabo parasites powers don't like. This is funny Palestinians are getting raped, tortured, live in a huge prison called Gaza, and yet these are making jihad in a Muslim country next door, and the hurt jihadists are getting treated by the Israelis.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/amazing-israel-treating-injured-al-qaida-terrorists/

https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/zionist-prime-minister-benyamin-netanyahu-take-care-of-injured-wahhabi-terrorists/

Enough said, be well.

Have you been to Iran? I have been and have found them a great people but with so many problems. You cannot detach yourself from the international community. The sanctions have killed them from inside. What yous see Iran is hollow from inside. The proof is their on going negotiations with UN and US.

Iran is completely dominated by Mullahs. Everywhere you see shrines and mosques. Every thing is controlled by Mullahs. People do not have freedom in the real sense. Inside they love the West and their fashion. No woman wants to cover her head but is doing so because of state pressure. how can you compel people to cover your hair. This is your personal choice. Even in Afghanistan or Pakistan there is no law that you force people to cover their hair. Men cannot wear neck ties!

If Jordan and Palestinians themselves recognize Israel then why Iran is the champion of Palestinians. This is just a political move of the Mullahs to get sympathies. Israel is now a UN member and every body must recognize it as a state. Then you can ask Israel to recognize Palestine as a separate independent sovereign state.

Iran as a nation state will be a great power as it was in past. Iran of Mullahs will never prosper and will never be a great nation.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Have you been to Iran? I have been and have found them a great people but with so many problems. You cannot detach yourself from the international community. The sanctions have killed them from inside. What yous see Iran is hollow from inside. The proof is their on going negotiations with UN and US.

Iran is completely dominated by Mullahs. Everywhere you see shrines and mosques. Every thing is controlled by Mullahs. People do not have freedom in the real sense. Inside they love the West and their fashion. No woman wants to cover her head but is doing so because of state pressure. how can you compel people to cover your hair. This is your personal choice. Even in Afghanistan or Pakistan there is no law that you force people to cover their hair. Men cannot wear neck ties!

If Jordan and Palestinians themselves recognize Israel then why Iran is the champion of Palestinians. This is just a political move of the Mullahs to get sympathies. Israel is now a UN member and every body must recognize it as a state. Then you can ask Israel to recognize Palestine as a separate independent sovereign state.

Iran as a nation state will be a great power as it was in past. Iran of Mullahs will never prosper and will never be a great nation.

I agree with you 100% . But still, they are not owned by Anglo-Judeo Banks which is 1000 times worse than the parasite mullahs, the future generations of Iran are not in debt/slavery to foreign powers. I understand the hard-line of Iranians leadership, it is only to prevent their people to fall for foreign influence and become traitors etc, Iranians are weak and easy people when it comes to change culture, traditions etc. You must understand that to, that Iran has many enemies, because of their rich natural resources, to prevent people to fall for American dream illusions etc hard-line tone is needed, people are to stupid and to greedy and easily fall for those good dreamy things that in the end hurts not only them but the whole future generations. And the satanic heroin that is destroying Afghanistan youth is destroying Iran to, those more hard line leadership is needed. It is a very complicated problem Iran have. To go deeply in those you get lost sometimes, and it is easy to blame everything on one problem, the mullahs when there is 10000 problems today.

But still with everything, there is people who have the luxury to do many things and even more of the stuff western countries can do. Like I said, I don't care about arabs at all. Palestinians, israelis, etc doesn't concern me. The only thing I odon't like about powerful parasite arabs is what they done and still doing to Pashtuns and other of our Iranian brother races. Poring money to brainwash our children into slavery to wahabism, suicide bomber, and other dirty things.

My point was to the western pashtun guy thinking all muslim countries are **** including non arabs. Arabs I can agree with him, but non arabs like our race etc invented what is the core of today's human civilization 3500 years ago without slavery, racism etc. But now majority of us live in poverty and barbaric conditions. This happens when you loose your steam become lazy, fighting inside the family race and not united against foreigners.