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  • Unknown Uzbek/Tajik insulting Pashtuns

    Does anyone who this guy is and what his deal with pashtuns are? also what ethnicity he may belong too? I randomly found this video on youtube while searching for pashto songs. Got to say it was unexpected.

    "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

    -Old Pashtun proverb




    "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

  • #2
    The problem is you think he is Tajik or Uzbek; where as you have no evidence for that claim. These videos are made by foreigners who want to make sure the Pashtun vs Tajik hatred doesn't die, and that it further fuels instability. It does not match ground realities where the two live peacefully in co-existence minus a few rascals.
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
      The problem is you think he is Tajik or Uzbek; where as you have no evidence for that claim. These videos are made by foreigners who want to make sure the Pashtun vs Tajik hatred doesn't die, and that it further fuels instability. It does not match ground realities where the two live peacefully in co-existence minus a few rascals.
      Lets get a few things straight before pointing fingers,


      1) The only reason i believe the man is uzbek or tajik is because of his youtube username is "UzbekGelamJam" which is why i have made these claims.


      2)
      where as you have no evidence for that claim.
      This video itself is evidence admin, did you even listen to it? Not to mention he has a thick farsi accent which i doubt any foreigner can pull of so greatly.


      3)
      ese videos are made by foreigners who want to make sure the Pashtun vs Tajik hatred doesn't die
      And where is you're proof for this?


      4) I think your sleeping, no offence. Tajik and pashtun rivalry has been going on probably before you and i were even born.
      Last edited by Kushan Prince; 04-16-2014, 12:28 PM.
      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

      -Old Pashtun proverb




      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
        Lets get a few things straight before pointing fingers,


        1) The only reason i believe the man is uzbek or tajik is because of his youtube username is "UzbekGelamJam" which is why i have made these claims.


        2)

        This video itself is evidence admin, did you even listen to it? Not to mention he has a thick farsi accent which i doubt any foreigner can pull of so greatly.


        3)

        And where is you're proof for this?


        4) I think your sleeping, no offence. Tajik and pashtun rivalry has been going on probably before you and i were even born.
        You are young and naive, don't get ahead of yourself. Anyone can make a YouTube video with a particular username; that doesn't mean anything. Similarly the accent, role talk, can all be immitated to cause friction. Clearly it works, cause it has your head spinning out of confusion.

        I'm just questioning your reason for why you happen to believe that this is a Uzbek or Tajik. And even if it is, it does not represent anything. Kandahar is 20% Tajik and Uzbek and they all live peacefully.

        In all honesty, I don't expect you to understand the core reasoning behind my post, especially since it's a sign of a jahil to get disrespectful with his interlocutor.


        Best,
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          You are young and naive, don't get ahead of yourself. Anyone can make a YouTube video with a particular username; that doesn't mean anything. Similarly the accent, role talk, can all be immitated to cause fiction. Clearly it works, cause it has your head spinning out of confusion.

          I'm just questioning your reason for why you happen to believe that this is a Uzbek or Tajik. And even if it is, it does not represent anything. Kandahar is 20% Tajik and Uzbek and they all live peacefully.

          In all honesty, I don't expect you to understand the core reasoning behind my post, especially since it's a sign of a jahil to get disrespectful with his interlocutor.


          Best,
          I don't like being considered "fallible" because of me being young, your never to young or naive to know something or being to young to learn anything. Using the age tactic was just a low blow bro.

          Anyone can make a YouTube video with a particular username; that doesn't mean anything. Similarly the accent, role talk, can all be immitated to cause fiction. Clearly it works, cause it has your head spinning out of confusion.
          Yes you are right, anybody can hide behind a user name and post BS to fire up the crowd. However being in complete denial that ethnic tensions among pashtuns and tajiks do not exist and to believe and that a foreigner who can care less about afghan ethnic tensions, is the brains behind this operation is just prosperous.

          I'm just questioning your reason for why you happen to believe that this is a Uzbek or Tajik. And even if it is, it does not represent anything. Kandahar is 20% Tajik and Uzbek and they all live peacefully.
          Ok

          In all honesty, I don't expect you to understand the core reasoning behind my post, especially since it's a sign of a jahil to get disrespectful with his interlocutor.
          I understood you're post perfectly. However being in rebuttal and by insulting me by calling me ignorant in Arabic indicates you kind of being disrespectful to me, Very classy admin lol.

          With this said, i appreciate you're opinion on this even though i may not agree with it bro.

          Peace!
          Last edited by Kushan Prince; 04-16-2014, 02:29 PM.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
            I don't like being considered "fallible" because of me being young, your never to young or naive to know something or being to young to learn anything. Using the age tactic was just a low blow bro.



            Yes you are right, anybody can hide behind a user name and post BS to fire up the crowd. However being in complete denial that ethnic tensions among pashtuns and tajiks do not exist and to believe and that a foreigner who can care less about afghan ethnic tensions, is the brains behind this operation is just prosperous.



            Ok



            I understood you're post perfectly. However being in rebuttal and by insulting me by calling me ignorant in Arabic indicates you kind of being disrespectful to me, Very classy admin lol.

            With this said, i appreciate you're opinion on this even though i may not agree with it bro.

            Peace!
            I did not call you ignorant; Interestingly enough, that alone elaborates on your analytical skills. No need to for the back and forth.

            Best,
            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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            • #7
              I know a guy who is a baloch from peshawar but he has created a anti Afghan pashtun page on facebook with title of "hazara,Uzbek tajik all hate Afghanistan pashtun" or the name is something similar.

              Now a person who doesnt know him will think that the page indeed is created by tajik/uzbek etc but the reality is different
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                I know a guy who is a baloch from peshawar but he has created a anti Afghan pashtun page on facebook with title of "hazara,Uzbek tajik all hate Afghanistan pashtun" or the name is something similar.

                Now a person who doesnt know him will think that the page indeed is created by tajik/uzbek etc but the reality is different
                Or when you sees videos of supposed "Anonymous Punjabis" insulting Pashtuns. In this day and age, the enemies of Pashtuns will not be so *straight forward*. Those who wish to see Pashtuns backwards will do it through their nefarious designs without Pashtuns even realizing it.

                Ordinary Tajiks, Punjabis, Uzbeks, trust me, do not have the time to be creating videos about how much they hate Pashtuns. Like I said, the possibility exists, but it's incredibly low. Common sense tells us, outside foreigners would like these ethnic groups to constantly hate each other, and it's a dirty trick that evidently works.
                Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                • #9
                  Lol, his rant was funny and has truth in it!!!

                  The Dari accent sounds to me to be from Kabul.

                  No, a foreigner cannot be able to speak the Dari the way he did.

                  I think it was a speech or something cause at the end he thanked the people there

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                  • #10
                    Some times for the "Greater Good" you have to ignore these things. The "Great Good" being unity of the country. Who cares what people on the Internet say, and like Admin said, many are fake.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by کیش View Post
                      Lol, his rant was funny and has truth in it!!!

                      The Dari accent sounds to me to be from Kabul.

                      No, a foreigner cannot be able to speak the Dari the way he did.

                      I think it was a speech or something cause at the end he thanked the people there
                      There is a lot of these types of videos on youtube if you look deep enough. They are made by a bunch of sad Khorosani/tajik nationalist losers living in the west with too much time on their hands. Sometimes i wonder what all the hate is for.
                      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                      -Old Pashtun proverb




                      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                      • #12
                        Why get worked up over one guy's youtube video?
                        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                        Sayyid Qutb

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                        • #13
                          The tajik nationalists,hazaras and uzbiks insulted pashtuns on youtube for ages now.
                          GuLaga even created websites against pashtuns.
                          Gul aga is afghan-tajik.
                          He is a professor.
                          They are using afghan-parsi and have good knowledge of afghan politics so for sure they are from afghanistan.
                          There might be some iranians,pakistanis and others too.



                          Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

                          pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
                          be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
                          gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
                          be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
                          hamza baba
                          پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
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                          • #14
                            His accent which sounds thin seems to be from a Hazara brother who lost his nearly Hazaragi-Dari accent. Mostly to meet in western Afghanistan in Afshar and darul aman region.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                              There is a lot of these types of videos on youtube if you look deep enough. They are made by a bunch of sad Khorosani/tajik nationalist losers living in the west with too much time on their hands. Sometimes i wonder what all the hate is for.
                              Zma Grana WROORA!! Don't waste your time on these monkeys. Listen to this philosophy, we Pashtuns are very unique people, sometimes too special I think. People who have been conquered, raped, always change themselves and their identity, culture, language, etc. There is lost Pashtuns, its true, war for 40 + years it damaged us a lot. We are not perfect, but mainly majority of educated Pashtuns know their true identity, they follow Pashtunwali, not only to respect themselves but to respect our ancestors who have always fought and died for their children's freedom and independence etc.

                              The only sad thing about this is that our ancestors were SUPER CIVILIZED, SUPER MERCIFUL, SUPER HUMANE, after invasion wars they won etc, they let immigrant and enemies and foreign parasites live inside our country, respected their culture, showed to much hospitality to them instead of just kicking them out or finish them off. And the other sad thing is that we are a to much warriors people, but I think this is in our culture, to show everybody I am "best" and to be better and be a better person. We always had conflict with our western Iranian cousins and ethnic Pashtun brothers clans etc and STILL DO. We are sadly united only when we are in great danger by a huge foreign invasion etc.

                              Anyway, majority of us pure Pashtuns, has preserved our identity nearly 80-95 %, and that is something I am very proud of. Majority of true Pashtuns are a reliably pride people, who stand for their word, for goodness, righteousness, respect to both genders and utter civilized/humane dignity that you can't find in this whole wild universe. At least the pure hardcore Pashtuns I meat is almost flawless, the only negative side I seen is when we Pashtuns get angry we loose control. We need to work more on to not take bad decisions when we are in some emotional stage. After this I don't think you can find more civilized and fair culturally human beings on this planet.

                              And This is Pashtun culture based on ancient times and knowledge, with a slide of more gender equality. It is a sad thing as well that Pashtuns males has being tossed to babysitt their sisters because of the barbaric invasions we had in the past 3000 years.


                              3000 years and 700 times parasites has invaded us and tried to destroy us. Each devastating time like invasions of alexander, arabs, mongols, english men etc we lost many of our ancient libraries and strongly educated people. But somehow we survived and will survive and become stronger in the future may it be were ever we are.

                              This next time, when Pashtun power rises, brothers and sisters, we must work together to secure our motherlands future generations at ANY MEAN COST. This time I rather burn in hell for trying, than to see Pashtuns future children suffer on this earth from heaven.
                              To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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