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  • US Proposal to Donate MRAPs to Pakistan Exposes Kabul Rift

    ISLAMABAD — The United States is considering donating some of its 1200 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles known as MRAPs in Afghanistan to neighboring Pakistan after considering the high cost of transporting the vehicles out of the country when the NATO-led combat mission in Afghanistan formally comes to an end in December. However, the proposal has drawn strong opposition from authorities in Kabul, who say all of the equipment should remain in their country.

    The excess equipment, worth billion of dollars, includes the heavily armored MRAPs that American military commanders believe will have limited strategic value after serving in the Afghan mission for over a decade.

    The American commander of international forces in Afghanistan, General Josef Dunford, disclosed details of the proposed plans last week while testifying before U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee.

    “It costs us little less than $10,000 to destroy an MRAP, it costs us somewhere between $50,000 and $100,000 to actually move that MRAP," he said. "If we wanted to give it to another country that country would have to accept the MRAPs as is where is. In other words they would have to pay for anything to get that vehicle serviceable again and also to move that vehicle to their country. We are looking at alternatives to provide these vehicles to partners to include Afghanistan, Pakistan and other partners that have participated in operations with us right now.”

    Pakistani defense officials declined to discuss details of their talks with U.S. officials on the subject but say they would like to receive the MRAPs to better protect troops fighting domestic Taliban insurgents.

    Outrage in Afghanistan

    However, the U.S. proposed plans have outraged leaders and lawmakers in Afghanistan. They have accused Washington of violating its strategic partnership agreement with Kabul by offering the military equipment to Islamabad without consulting with the Afghan government.

    Presidential spokesman Aimal Faizi says his country will strongly oppose any move to deliver the military hardware to Pakistan. He says Kabul was expecting coalition forces to leave it for the Afghan security forces.

    Afghan media and some lawmakers have gone on to demand the U.S. immediately suspend any such talks with Pakistan, accusing Islamabad of sponsoring terrorism in their country.

    Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Tasnim Aslam, says Afghan criticism is uncalled for, because of the steep sacrifices that Pakistan has made in fighting terrorism.

    “Over 40,000 of our nationals including members of the security forces have rendered ultimate sacrifice in the fight against terrorism," she noted. "Any attempt to depict Pakistan as other than a victim of terrorism is a travesty and we completely reject it. It is disconcerting that such injurious statements are being made at a time when sincere efforts are under way to turn a new page in the bilateral relations with Afghanistan.”

    The chairman of the Afghan Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, Arifullah Pashtun, says that the proposed U.S. plans have upset people in Afghanistan and he has conveyed these concerns to commanders of international forces. He tells VOA that American military officials assured him that while discussions are under way no final decision has been made to give the military equipment to Pakistan.

    The Afghan senator says his country wants the equipment. He acknowledges that the International Security Assistance Force can transfer the military gear to any other country, including Pakistan, but says Afghanistan's needs should be addressed first.

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    1200 is a extremely big number for Pakistan but can be believed because the total MRAPS in afghanistan are 7,000

    Though i doubt Pakistan will recieve this much considering it cost hell alot of and most important pakistan could not order more than 80 of them from china and the domestically produced BURRAQ was recently rejected by army because of less protection.

    Anyway last year i had seen pics in which about 12 of them were transferred to Pakistan but in damaged condition.

    Even in damage condition they are better for pakistan since HIT is capable enough to bring them back into service
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    • #3
      Well, Afghans are stupid no wonder US wont leave a single thing there. They even destroyed ordinary kitchen stuff just to make sure Afghans don't them.
      Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

      People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

      ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
      Ronald Reagan

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

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      • #4
        I agree with Afghanistan govt Concerns.But i had read in multiple news agencies that they are planning to destroy them.

        Even after providing 1200 of them to Pakistan.the rest they will destroy leaving limited numbers for ANA.

        From 2009-13 mid.75% of Pakistan army casaulties were because of IED's.

        Beside this they are in damaged form and will also cost millions to bring them back to service
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
          I agree with Afghanistan govt Concerns.But i had read in multiple news agencies that they are planning to destroy them.

          Even after providing 1200 of them to Pakistan.the rest they will destroy leaving limited numbers for ANA.

          From 2009-13 mid.75% of Pakistan army casaulties were because of IED's.

          Beside this they are in damaged form and will also cost millions to bring them back to service
          Pakistan should be Afghanistan's last concern. They will probably kill each other before Pakistan can even reach them...

          Afghans had 13 years to unite amongst each other. What do they do instead? Actively trying to divide Afghanistan... They are in all out civil war and they discuss to put ethnicity in Afghan pass... I mean what kind of people are trying to divide a country further then it already is. They have lived more than 200 years in the country and many thousand of years beside the different ethnicities, yet they still cant find their identity in Afghan....

          They had a perfect opportunity to unite and work toward a brighter future for everyone, instead these minorities playing blame games... If I could have 1 $ for each time a tajik publicly in TV didn't want to be referred to as Afghan, I could be a millionaire now.

          Of course the US are going to either destroy or give it away to a country all these items. Simply because other countries got an identity that they are proud of, and have a central government. In Afghanistan panjshiris already prepared for civil war... Who in the right mind would give a damn thing to people like that. 13 years of international support, instead of using this opportunity to nation build and benefit everyone in the country, the minorities instead became fascist who actively trying to divide the country...
          Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

          People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

          ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
          Ronald Reagan

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

          Pashto dictionary:
          http://thepashto.com/index.php

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
            I agree with Afghanistan govt Concerns.But i had read in multiple news agencies that they are planning to destroy them.

            Even after providing 1200 of them to Pakistan.the rest they will destroy leaving limited numbers for ANA.

            From 2009-13 mid.75% of Pakistan army casaulties were because of IED's.

            Beside this they are in damaged form and will also cost millions to bring them back to service
            They wont cost that much. And these vehicles are very high qualities. They worth many billions, so a few thousands for a bit of repair is well worth it.
            Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

            People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

            ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
            Ronald Reagan

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

            Pashto dictionary:
            http://thepashto.com/index.php

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
              They wont cost that much. And these vehicles are very high qualities. They worth many billions, so a few thousands for a bit of repair is well worth it.
              Well,Indeed your very much right.

              It took Pakistan 3years to choose between Turkish BMC kipri or Chinese Vp3.They chose CHinese Vp3.Than they were short of money(only 90million dollars) and the deal was delayd.Until recently we started recieving

              Sindh Govt could not afford more than 20 lazar II for Sindh Police/Rangers

              So they indeed are very much expensive and repairing them would cost nothing at all.

              But still i don't think it will be more than 100
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              • #8
                So they have started to arrive

                Some of them seem alot damaged

                Anyway i hope HIT will also strip them down and produce a reverse engineered variant





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