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    Warlords With Dark Pasts Battle in Afghan Election

    By ROD NORDLANDFEB. 26, 2014
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    KABUL, Afghanistan — Ashraf Ghani, the apparent front-runner in the Afghan presidential race this year, was once unstinting in his opinion of one of the country’s most prominent warlords, Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum, calling him a “known killer.”
    He said that in 2009, when General Dostum was supporting President Hamid Karzai for re-election. Now, Mr. Ghani simply calls General Dostum his running mate.
    In fact, of the 11 campaigns in the April 5 presidential election, six include at least one candidate on the ticket who is widely viewed as a warlord, with pasts and policies directly at odds with Western attempts to improve human rights here.
    That is the field that American military and diplomatic planners have to consider as they take up President Obama’s call on Tuesday to look past Mr. Karzai and try to get the next Afghan administration to sign a long-term security deal.
    For officials working to finalize the bilateral security agreement, there is still potential good news: All 11 of the Afghan presidential candidates say they support the deal, which would allow Western troops to stay here past 2014.
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    Ghani's running mate, Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum, shown in 2009, is a prominent warlord. Credit Caren Firouz/Reuters
    But past that, American officials have taken pains to avoid expressing any preference for a particular candidate, sensitive to accusations from Mr. Karzai that they interfered in the 2009 vote, when American pressure led him to agree to a runoff after widespread reports of election fraud.
    The preponderance of candidates with some sort of unsavory past has also made American officials especially leery of weighing in, despite the fact that many warlords have been recipients of American support and cash in the past.
    Recently, for instance, allegations circulated that the American ambassador, James B. Cunningham, had met secretly with one of the presidential candidates, Abdul Rab Rassoul Sayyaf, who has been accused of war crimes and who while in Parliament helped pass a law giving amnesty to war criminals and tried to repeal a law outlawing violence against women.
    An American official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivities of the issue, said that Mr. Cunningham and other senior officials had met with all 11 presidential candidates “as part of our normal diplomatic engagement.” Asked what would happen if an accused war criminal were elected, the official said the American government would not speculate on the outcome of the election.
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    General Dostum’s candidacy poses some thorny questions. He still maintains a private army, and human rights activists accuse him of ordering mass killings. But he was also a stalwart of the American-allied Northern Alliance that overthrew the Taliban in 2001, and he is a powerful political leader among Afghanistan’s ethnic Uzbek minority.
    General Dostum is now the first vice-presidential candidate on the ticket of Mr. Ghani, who is regarded as the front-runner based on an early poll conducted for the American government. Mr. Ghani is a former World Bank official who helped negotiate an initial version of the security agreement, and as a Karzai adviser he presided over the handover of responsibility for security to Afghan forces.
    His most significant challenger, Abdullah Abdullah, who ran second to Mr. Karzai in 2009, also has ticket members branded as warlords: his vice-presidential candidates — Mohammad Khan, a former leader of the insurgent party Hezb-i-Islami, and Mohammad Mohaqiq, a Hazara leader of the party Wahdat — have both been accused of abuses by human rights officials.
    Spokesmen for Mr. Ghani and Mr. Abdullah said on Wednesday that upon election they would quickly sign the bilateral security agreement with the Americans. Both also expressed concern about Mr. Karzai’s refusal to sign it before then.
    “We request the U.S. should wait, and in May there will be a new president,” said Mr. Ghani’s spokesman, Hameedullah Farooqi. “Giving ultimatums and bringing pressure only create sentiments that would harm the process.”
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    Of the leading five presidential tickets, the only two without members accused of being warlords are those of Zalmay Rassoul, the low-profile former foreign minister, and Qayum Karzai, the president’s brother and the owner of restaurants in Baltimore.
    Qazi Mohammad Amin Waqad, a tribal leader appointed by President Karzai to negotiate the withdrawal of either Mr. Rassoul or Qayum Karzai, said the president had thrown his weight behind Mr. Rassoul. The president’s brother was debating whether to withdraw, Mr. Waqad said, and if so, who to endorse.
    Human rights activists are alarmed by the number of warlords so obviously still in the political mainstream.
    Ajmal Baluchzada, a member of the Transitional Justice Coordination Group, a coalition of Western-financed groups that lobbies for past war crimes to be acknowledged and punished, said that some of the men initially tried to stay out of the spotlight after the Taliban’s overthrow, worried about potential war-crimes proceedings. “But as time passed and they saw nothing happen, and they saw the Taliban growing stronger, it made them want to get involved.”



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  • #2
    This why democracy doesnt work in Afghanistan.

    At a certain point the lawmakers decided that these criminals should be pardoned.
    And not prosecuted.

    We will not have peace until they are punished for their crimes.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      I disagree with this on some points.
      Afghanistan is country where ethnicity play great role.
      It will take time for afghans to enjoy the real and true democracy.
      The allience of Ahmadzai sb and dostum is not a bad idea for the unity of the country.
      Dostum could be evil with dark past but he has the support of 9% uzbik community.
      If you start picking on warlords at present time the country could split.
      Ghani is educated and clever politicain and he knows how to deal with them.
      Lets hope for peacefull election and afghanistan.
      These westren countries along with iran and pakistan will continue their game but our afghan brothers must not fall into their propaganda.
      For 35 years the nation is suffered alot .People want peace,jobs,hospital and strong economy.
      The ethnic politics could take the country back to the 90s civil war.
      The coutry will split.
      So this is the last chance afghans unite under one plateform.
      Or isi,iran and other wolrd power will continue this game and that will end up in pieces.
      Those who oppose to the allaince of uzbiks and ghani need to know that uzbiks never been threat to pashtu and pashtuns.They are opressed people like pashtuns.
      They do not want to rule afghanistan and they can not.
      They want more rights etc.



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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
        This why democracy doesnt work in Afghanistan.

        At a certain point the lawmakers decided that these criminals should be pardoned.
        And not prosecuted.

        We will not have peace until they are punished for their crimes.
        wrora
        i fully agree with you on punishing criminals but in a country like afghanistan it is not easy.
        These criminals control their people and they will fight for these criminals to death.
        Try to understand this point.
        Once the country become stable and strong then you can clear this warlord culture etc.



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        gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
        be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
        hamza baba
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        • #5
          Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
          wrora
          i fully agree with you on punishing criminals but in a country like afghanistan it is not easy.
          These criminals control their people and they will fight for these criminals to death.
          Try to understand this point.
          Once the country become stable and strong then you can clear this warlord culture etc.
          If criminals go unpunished because they are strong, how can there be a strong state in the future to punish them later?

          You should read: Strong Societies, Weak States by Joel Migdal.

          In a society where there are warlords and strongmen, there can never be a strong stable state. All warlords and strongmen need to be killed.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
            This why democracy doesnt work in Afghanistan.

            At a certain point the lawmakers decided that these criminals should be pardoned.
            And not prosecuted.

            We will not have peace until they are punished for their crimes.

            what about your criminal taliban brothers?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
              If criminals go unpunished because they are strong, how can there be a strong state in the future to punish them later?

              You should read: Strong Societies, Weak States by Joel Migdal.

              In a society where there are warlords and strongmen, there can never be a strong stable state. All warlords and strongmen need to be killed.
              ok,but how will you punish them?
              if you punish ismail khan the entire herat region will fight for him
              if punish fahim the north will do the same.
              if you punish khalilis the central afg will be united under his shai/azara card.
              samething with dostum
              so how will you do this?
              in a weak country like afghanistan at present it is not possible .
              you need a long term stratigy.
              The afghans want peace not war.



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              • #8
                Originally posted by vinyard80 View Post
                what about your criminal taliban brothers?
                They will kill them one by one inshaa allah.
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
                  ok,but how will you punish them?
                  if you punish ismail khan the entire herat region will fight for him
                  if punish fahim the north will do the same.
                  if you punish khalilis the central afg will be united under his shai/azara card.
                  samething with dostum
                  so how will you do this?
                  in a weak country like afghanistan at present it is not possible .
                  you need a long term stratigy.
                  The afghans want peace not war.
                  The only good strategy is to eliminate all internal enemies before dealing with external enemies.

                  You need to get rid of all the germs and parasites in order to gain health.

                  We need to purify our land by washing its soil with the blood of the traitors and criminals.

                  Munafiqeen dont deserve mercy because they are worse than kaafirs.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                    The only good strategy is to eliminate all internal enemies before dealing with external enemies.

                    You need to get rid of all the germs and parasites in order to gain health.

                    We need to purify our land by washing its soil with the blood of the traitors and criminals.

                    Munafiqeen dont deserve mercy because they are worse than kaafirs.
                    ok,go ahead.
                    if you can do it,all the best but at the end the winner will be pakistan and iran.
                    you are not in position to do it right now thats my point.
                    you are not getting to my point.
                    i am waiting how you do it?
                    good luck



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                    • #11
                      I would not be surprised if K(h)arzai is "elected" again.

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                      • #12


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