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    Afghan Ethnic Tensions Rise in Media and Politics
    By AZAM AHMED and HABIB ZAHORIFEB. 18, 2014


    KABUL, Afghanistan — It started with a heat-of-the-moment comment on a partisan television talk show, drawing an ethnic line that was bold even by Afghan standards.

    “Pashtuns are the rulers and owners of Afghanistan; they are the real inhabitants of Afghanistan,” said Gen. Abdul Wahid Taqat, a former intelligence official. “Afghanistan means ‘where Pashtuns live.’ ”

    The words ignited protests in Kabul in December. Social media erupted. To contain the uproar, President Hamid Karzai, a Pashtun, had General Taqat arrested and chastised the news media for trying to whip up hatred, something he said many outlets were increasingly doing.

    The president warned his fellow Afghans, with their bitter memories of ethnic conflict, of what they stood to lose: “If it were not for the national unity of the people, you wouldn’t be able to live in Kabul for a second.”

    More than 100,000 people died during the civil war that followed the withdrawal of Soviet forces from Afghanistan in 1989, a conflict that broke largely along ethnic lines, among the Pashtuns and the smaller Tajik, Hazara and Uzbek populations.


    Although there has been little ethnic violence across the country lately, in political and news media circles, nerves are raw and tempers have been flaring. Shouting matches over ethnic issues in Parliament and on radio programs have started to erupt into fistfights, a troubling reminder that the fragile ethnic détente here, sustained by foreign troops and billions of dollars in aid, could easily shatter. And with the American-led coalition preparing to withdraw, a long-term security agreement in doubt and a presidential election looming, many Afghans feel vulnerable about the future.

    But so far at least, ordinary Afghans do not seem to be following the news media and political elite’s lead. Many people have taken to the Internet and to the streets to protest the provocations, writing songs and poems about unity and castigating the news media and partisan leaders who play the ethnic card. Under pressure, General Taqat offered an apology to the nation, in a video posted on YouTube.

    The television and radio dials in Afghanistan are crowded with partisan stations that glorify their leaders and fire up their followers, and many of them have seized on the ethnic debate that the general’s remarks reopened. The ethnically mixed Karzai administration has a history of pushing back when debate turns into the fanning of ethnic hatreds; in 2010, it forced one station, Emroz TV, to shut down.

    The government is acutely conscious of the danger, to the point that it has made inciting ethnic strife a crime. Many of its senior officials took part in the brutal civil war, and few officials doubt that if Afghanistan were to fall into civil unrest again, much of the violence would erupt along ethnic lines, even within the country’s own security forces.

    Sensitivities about ethnic identity can impede progress in Afghanistan in unexpected ways. The country is conducting its first census since 1979, but census workers avoid asking routine questions about ethnicity or language, for fear that the census might find altered proportions of each group in the population and as a result upset the balance of power.

    Lawmakers have been arguing for months, sometimes violently, over what it means to be an Afghan. Many members of ethnic minorities believe that the word refers only to Pashtuns and want their own ethnicity listed on new national identity cards, but some Pashtun leaders are objecting.

    “We are defending the Afghan Constitution, which says that every single citizen, regardless of his or her ethnic group, is called an Afghan,” said Aryan Yoon, a Pashtun member of Parliament, and the wife of one of the founders of Zhwandoon TV, the channel that aired General Taqat’s comments.


    Others see the issue differently, including workers at Mitra TV, a channel for Tajiks that was recently opened by Atta Muhammad Noor, the governor of Balkh Province.

    “A particular ethnic group is trying to remain dominant,” said Asar Hakimi, an adviser to the station. “If they hold power exclusively, it will lead to a disaster, like in the Balkans.”

    Ordinary Afghans have not been easily provoked to factional violence, not even after a bombing at a Shiite festival in 2012 left nearly 70 Hazaras dead. But that does not mean the question is not on their minds.

    Ethnic issues appear to loom largest with older people who witnessed the civil war firsthand, while younger people’s attitudes are more fluid and their identities more complex, especially in Kabul. Lotfullah Dost offers himself as an example: His family is Pashtun, but he grew up in a Tajik neighborhood and speaks only Dari, the language of Tajiks



    “There are a lot of people like me,” he said. “I’m in the middle. I cannot claim to be a Pashtun because I don’t speak Pashto. I can’t claim to be a Tajik, either, because I’m not.”

    Mixed families have become more common. One of the most popular candidates in the presidential election scheduled for April is Abdullah Abdullah, who has a Pashtun father and a Tajik mother.

    In East Kabul, along a road that leads to Jalalabad, a largely Pashtun neighborhood, Arzan Qemat, buzzes with life in the evening as vendors hawk fruit and men make their way home from work. Sharifullah Safai, a police officer in the neighborhood, said that if the new identity cards did not say “Afghan” on them, he would not accept his.

    “Afghan doesn’t mean Pashtun,” he said. “It means anyone who lives here.”

    Still, he says he believes the other ethnic groups in Afghanistan discriminate against Pashtuns, not the other way around, a view that many Pashtuns share. In some respects, the ethnic fault line that is felt most acutely in Afghanistan is the one that separates Pashtuns from everyone else, a divide that is accentuated by the fact that the Taliban militants warring with the government and the international coalition are almost all Pashtuns.

    “Ethnic tension is limitless,” Mr. Safai said. “I don’t see a future of stability.

    “The Afghan Army and police will not be able to prevent the Taliban from taking over,” he added. “The rise of the Taliban will be a precursor to an ethnic civil war.”

    A Pashtun man, taking a stroll with his adult son in the neighborhood before sunset, paused to discuss General Taqat’s remark that Afghan meant Pashtun.

    “I agree with General Taqat,” he said as a small crowd gathered to listen and to eye the journalists interviewing him. “These days, everyone is trying to make political maneuvers.”

    A young Tajik man in the crowd took exception. “How can you say that?” he shouted. “We are both human beings. It’s not written on our foreheads that you are a good Afghan and I am a bad Afghan.”

    The older man stood for a moment, appearing nonplused, as the crowd watched.

    “Listen,” he said finally. “I think General Taqat’s statement was misinterpreted. He was saying we should stop using ethnic terms — Tajik, Pashtun and so on. We are all living under one flag.”

  • #2
    Thank Mr Taqat and Mr Yoon.

    I don't see any future for my country. Shame on all of you, qaumparastha!

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    • #3
      Education can change the thinking.

      I believe your educated pashtun friends must not be thinking so
      "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
        Education can change the thinking.

        I believe your educated pashtun friends must not be thinking so
        In Afghanistan we have one problem with pashtuns: most of educated pashtuns are persianspeakers. Unfortunately out of Kabul or Herat you can not find educated pashtuns. Most of pashtuns in those areas are more persianized than tajiks. And all these fake pashtun leaders such as Ghani, Karzai, Khalilzad or khalili, are just a bunch of sold out losers with american citizenship who will ran away to usa once civil war starts.

        Pashtuns lack of leadership in afghanistan and unfortunately there is no leader in north afghanistan who can reach south. We are a decided country. Watch closely because what is going on right now in afghanistan will also happen in pakistan in few years.

        Mark my words.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by vinyard80 View Post
          In Afghanistan we have one problem with pashtuns: most of educated pashtuns are persianspeakers. Unfortunately out of Kabul or Herat you can not find educated pashtuns. Most of pashtuns in those areas are more persianized than tajiks. And all these fake pashtun leaders such as Ghani, Karzai, Khalilzad or khalili, are just a bunch of sold out losers with american citizenship who will ran away to usa once civil war starts.

          Pashtuns lack of leadership in afghanistan and unfortunately there is no leader in north afghanistan who can reach south. We are a decided country. Watch closely because what is going on right now in afghanistan will also happen in pakistan in few years.

          Mark my words.
          This is the problem in here aswell.

          A punjabi even if he's a beggar he will send his children to school.While i can tell you so many rich pashtuns and even my relatives despite them having the financial capability to educate their children they don't.

          Many criticize me for having love for pakistan and call me punjabi and xyz.
          Even though i am 20 but i had observed that Blind love ethnicity is not a solution to our problem but unity is.A unity irrespective of religion and ethnicity.
          "[B][SIZE="3"]Seer Speen Wazeer[/SIZE][/B]"

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          • #6
            Tajiks are really racist, it thanx to them that PAshtuns are also becoming like that, I really hope we will not take over this racism illnes from the degenerate people like tajiks.

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            • #7
              Afghanistan need an ethnic war. Apparently farsiwans cannot drop their ethnic fascism, because they have lived in a such luxurious time. Try to ask any elder who have experienced the ethnic war in the nineties, they will accept unity in a hearth beat.
              These modern youth who lives in relative peaceful time, takes this peaceful time for granted.
              Just wait till ethnic war begins and they will beg for unity.

              The thing is, it is impossible to divide Afghanistan into separate countries, because of demographics and geographic location. First of all there will be fight over the land, because every ethnicity would like to claim most land.
              There will be conflict between
              Uzbec - Tajik
              Because in the north of Afghanistan their land overlap each other
              Pashtun - Tajik
              In west and east their land overlap
              Hazara - Tajik
              Hazaras and tajik land will overlap each other at east central Afghanistan
              Pashtun - Hazara
              Hazaras and Pashtun land will also overlap each other in south central Afghanistan
              Hazara - Uzbec
              Hazaras and uzbec land will overlap at north central Afghanistan

              Hazaras are in central Afghanistan which means their land will overlap with all Afghan ethnicities
              Tajiks are spread all over the corners of Afghanistan, which also mean their land will overlap all Afghan ethnicities.
              Pashtuns are mostly at south and east, which means they will not encounter Uzbec
              Uzbec are at far north which means they will not encounter Pashtuns.

              Basically tajiks and hazaras will be at lost in an ethnic conflict.
              Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

              People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

              ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
              Ronald Reagan

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

              Pashto dictionary:
              http://thepashto.com/index.php

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              • #8
                “There are a lot of people like me,” he said. “I’m in the middle. I cannot claim to be a Pashtun because I don’t speak Pashto. I can’t claim to be a Tajik, either, because I’m not.”

                The above sentence is highly dangerous for the identity of Pashtuns. No tajik will say like this that I speak Pashto so I am not a Tajik.

                The easy solution is that Pashtuns should forget the term Afghan for themselves. All Pashtuns and non Pashtuns living in Afghanistan are Afghans.

                Nationality for all = Afghan
                Ethnicity= Pashtun, Tajik, Uzbek , Hazara etc

                This way Pashtuns will not lose their identity and non Pashtuns will not feel shame in calling themselves Afghans.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vinyard80 View Post
                  Thank Mr Taqat and Mr Yoon.

                  I don't see any future for my country. Shame on all of you, qaumparastha!
                  Why do you single out those two here?
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                    This is the problem in here aswell.

                    A punjabi even if he's a beggar he will send his children to school.While i can tell you so many rich pashtuns and even my relatives despite them having the financial capability to educate their children they don't.

                    Many criticize me for having love for pakistan and call me punjabi and xyz.
                    Even though i am 20 but i had observed that Blind love ethnicity is not a solution to our problem but unity is.A unity irrespective of religion and ethnicity.
                    Finally we do agree, wrora.

                    Only way to reach peace in our region is coexistence. Does not matter if we hate each other. We are neighbors. Europeans killed each other but now they are united. Just look where they are and where we are.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
                      Afghanistan need an ethnic war. Apparently farsiwans cannot drop their ethnic fascism, because they have lived in a such luxurious time. Try to ask any elder who have experienced the ethnic war in the nineties, they will accept unity in a hearth beat.
                      These modern youth who lives in relative peaceful time, takes this peaceful time for granted.
                      Just wait till ethnic war begins and they will beg for unity.

                      The thing is, it is impossible to divide Afghanistan into separate countries, because of demographics and geographic location. First of all there will be fight over the land, because every ethnicity would like to claim most land.
                      There will be conflict between
                      Uzbec - Tajik
                      Because in the north of Afghanistan their land overlap each other
                      Pashtun - Tajik
                      In west and east their land overlap
                      Hazara - Tajik
                      Hazaras and tajik land will overlap each other at east central Afghanistan
                      Pashtun - Hazara
                      Hazaras and Pashtun land will also overlap each other in south central Afghanistan
                      Hazara - Uzbec
                      Hazaras and uzbec land will overlap at north central Afghanistan

                      Hazaras are in central Afghanistan which means their land will overlap with all Afghan ethnicities
                      Tajiks are spread all over the corners of Afghanistan, which also mean their land will overlap all Afghan ethnicities.
                      Pashtuns are mostly at south and east, which means they will not encounter Uzbec
                      Uzbec are at far north which means they will not encounter Pashtuns.

                      Basically tajiks and hazaras will be at lost in an ethnic conflict.

                      You are such a munafiq coward. You are talking behind your computer about an ethnic war where thousand of innocent people will die. Obviously you won't be in afghanistan so you don't give a sh*t.

                      Coward. Naamard. Jai sharme ast. Ma hame afghan astem.

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                      • #12
                        Vineyard,
                        Pashto de zda karay?

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                        • #13
                          Vinyards dari is like how posh kabuli school girls talk.
                          Originally posted by Firdousi
                          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by khushal View Post
                            Vineyard,
                            Pashto de zda karay?
                            Pashto ne poigi wroraka.. LOL

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                              Vinyards dari is like how posh kabuli school girls talk.
                              A wahabit arab wannabe like you shouldn't talk about young kabuli girls. Thats haram. :D

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