When it comes to TTP vs Pakistan, why believe in conspiracies?

[randolph85]

I am wondering this because of the recent execution of a couple dozen paki troops by the TTP which have been claimed by them and confirmed by their official negotiators. the negotiations are at a standstill and even the ttp negotiators don't really know what to do or say. this along with the bombing in karachi i believe a few days back that killed a dozen policemen.

Before it seemed like when something went wrong when the government and ttp came close to talks and there was a bomb going of which derailed the process, people were quick to yell conspiracy. but this current aggression against the paki state during the worst time possible is clear as day. it would be no different if the paki army decided to arial bomb waziristan during negotations.

i pretty much hate the ttp and the paki govt/military and i would be laughing if muslim lives weren't in stake. but can people here just admit that the ttp are complete idiots if they didn't think that before?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You seem to have a very shallow understanding of things.

When a non military target is hit during talks, it damages the image of TTP.

When a military target or police is hit, it is an act of war.

you have to read the statement of TTP regarding the talks and the one about the attacks.

[randolph85]

You seem to have a very shallow understanding of things.

When a non military target is hit during talks, it damages the image of TTP.

When a military target or police is hit, it is an act of war.

you have to read the statement of TTP regarding the talks and the one about the attacks.

you seem to missing the point entirely, the ttp is actively in negotiations with the government yet targets paki security forces so by your admission this is an act of war during sensitive negotiations.

while there is no official ceasefire in place, it doesn't take a genius to realize that killing dozens of security forces within the week of breakthrough negotiations is kind of ****ed up. it also diminishes the idea that when something bad happens during times like these, its a false flag attack meant to torpedo the prospects of peace.

use your head dude, how stupid do the ttp have to be to pull stunts like this at a time like this?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

you seem to missing the point entirely, the ttp is actively in negotiations with the government yet targets paki security forces so by your admission this is an act of war during sensitive negotiations.

while there is no official ceasefire in place, it doesn't take a genius to realize that killing dozens of security forces within the week of breakthrough negotiations is kind of ****ed up. it also diminishes the idea that when something bad happens during times like these, its a false flag attack meant to torpedo the prospects of peace.

use your head dude, how stupid do the ttp have to be to pull stunts like this at a time like this?

Do you believe TTP should sit and wait while their men are being killed during peace talks when release of prisoners is one of the main demands?

Is this your idea of using your head? Sticking the head up where there is no sunlight is also usage. However it isn't something one is suppose to do with it.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Besides, pakistani gov wants to have peace talks. They invited ttp for talks. So ttp gave them their conditions for peace. When pakistani gov violates the conditions during the so called cease fire, it is obvious who is to be blamed here.

You seem to have a pro paki mindset, Randolph.

[randolph85]

Do you believe TTP should sit and wait while their men are being killed during peace talks when release of prisoners is one of the main demands?

Is this your idea of using your head? Sticking the head up where there is no sunlight is also usage. However it isn't something one is suppose to do with it.

what operations or air strikes have been going on against them during the few days of talks?

these troops were held since 2010 supposedly, nevermind the karachi bombing, and were just killed the other day out of all days. this is seeing sunlight to you while not executing these men is tantamount to sticking my head in my ass?

come on dude, your a smart guy i don't know why you can justify the stupidity of the timing here.

even sami ul haq is ****ting his pants here.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Oh and I dont understand why you single out TTP here. Mullah Fazlullah is appointed by Mullah Omar. And Mullah Omars delegation was in Qatar last summer while attacks on Afghan forces and NATO continued.

[randolph85]

Besides, pakistani gov wants to have peace talks. They invited ttp for talks. So ttp gave them their conditions for peace. When pakistani gov violates the conditions during the so called cease fire, it is obvious who is to be blamed here.

You seem to have a pro paki mindset, Randolph.

pro paki? i am not on the negotiating team unlike the pro talib negotiators who are close to the state, the talibs even appointed imran khan to their team which he refused. the ttp have already made it clear they are a part of pakistan by demanding shariah to be a clause in any peace thereby recognizing the paki state while denying the legitimacy of the constitution. so these people are more pro paki than i could ever be.

i simply see what these negotiations are, between 2 sides which i hate, and see the ridiculousness of it all. especially when the ttp kills bombs policemen and kills a dozen troops during rare negotiations and expect what? like no one will care or notice or the government side won't blink an eye?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

what operations or air strikes have been going on against them during the few days of talks?

these troops were held since 2010 supposedly, nevermind the karachi bombing, and were just killed the other day out of all days. this is seeing sunlight to you while not executing these men is tantamount to sticking my head in my ass?

come on dude, your a smart guy i don't know why you can justify the stupidity of the timing here.

even sami ul haq is ****ting his pants here.

Samiulbaatil is an idiot. He is a mediator. He is not TTP.

airstrikes often target civilians. There were no airsttikes but targeted killings and execution of taliban continued.

This is TTP's rationale which makes sense. After all, they have no desire to make any concedsions since they are not the ones begging for peace. The gpvernment is.

Would you sit and wait when your men are executed by me if I come to you and beg you to stop fighting?

[randolph85]

hell, it was said that even sami boy haq couldn't sleep over the situation of the executions.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

hell, it was said that even sami boy haq couldn't sleep over the situation of the executions.

Who cares? He is a government stooge.

[randolph85]

Samiulbaatil is an idiot. He is a mediator. He is not TTP.

airstrikes often target civilians. There were no airsttikes but targeted killings and execution of taliban continued.

This is TTP's rationale which makes sense. After all, they have no desire to make any concedsions since they are not the ones begging for peace. The gpvernment is.

Would you sit and wait when your men are executed by me if I come to you and beg you to stop fighting?

these are mediators hand picked by the ttp to represent them.

no side wants peace if they think they have an upper hand, the government and the ttp seem to both think that neither side can win.

if my people were being killed day in and day out, i wouldn't agree to negotiations, i sure as hell wouldn't nominate the people that the ttp did, but once negotiations got started i would't say "you know those guy we have been holding for 3 years? lets kill them today"

[randolph85]

Who cares? He is a government stooge.

so why did the ttp nominate him to negotiate on behalf of them?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

so why did the ttp nominate him to negotiate on behalf of them?

Because he represents the conservative part of the society who agree with most of what TTP stand for.

You seem to fail understanding the procedure: these talks are not a negotiation between ttp and gov.

Ttp is not talking part because they distrust the gov. Instead they selected men who are in favor of peace to present their demands and who are able to understand and explain why those demands make sense.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

[MENTION=1902]randolph85[/MENTION]

You should listen to the video I posted right after Hakimullahs death where he attacks gov scholars like samiulbaatil and qazi husain ahmad.