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Hamid Karzai: 'I saw no good' with America's presence in Afghanistan
Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, admits that he has not spoken to Barack Obama in seven months as he reveals the complete breakdown of trust between his country and the United States
By Harriet Alexander
11:34AM GMT 02 Feb 2014
The president of Afghanistan has not spoken to his American counterpart since June, he said, in an interview which showed the increasing gulf between Kabul and Washington.
Hamid Karzai, 56, has grown increasingly hostile towards Barack Obama as Afghanistan prepares to elect a new president in April. Mr Karzai will not stand again, but he is determined to emphasise his disagreements with the United States before he steps down.
"This whole 12 years was one of constant pleading with America to treat the lives of our civilians as lives of people," he said, adding that he had not spoken to Mr Obama since June.
"We met in South Africa [at Mandela's funeral] but didn't speak. Letters have been exchanged."
Mr Karzai said that he "saw no good" in the American presence in his country.
"They did not work for me, they worked against me," he said, and referred to the Taliban in his interview with The Sunday Times as "brothers" and the Americans as "rivals".
His rhetoric has been ill received in Washington, where American politicians are evermore infuriated by Mr Karzai's stance.
America spent $648bn (£394bn) during the war, which has cost 2,211 lives. Last week Congress cut development aid to Afghanistan in half, reducing it to $1.1bn.
But Mr Karzai is unrepentant.
"The money they should have paid to the police they paid to private security firms and creating militias who caused lawlessness, corruption and highway robbery," he said.
"They then began systematically waging psychological warfare on our people, encouraging our money to go out of our country.
"What they did was create pockets of wealth and a vast countryside of deprivation and anger."
He is slightly more generous in his assessment of Britain, "which has conducted with us in a very civilised way and tried to bring better relations between us and Pakistan."
But he added: "In general the US-led Nato mission in terms of bringing security has not been successful, particularly in Helmand."
A key bone of contention between the US and Afghanistan is the bilateral security agreement, which proposes 8-12,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan beyond the withdrawal of combat soldiers at the end of 2014. America is keen for the troops to remain to prevent "losing" Afghanistan, and the country's tribal elders supported the plan at an assembly in November.
Yet Mr Karzai is dragging his heels, saying that history has taught Afghanistan not to "gamble" on pacts.
"Under pressure our kings signed things and all that turned out to be disastrous for Afghanistan," he said. "Under pressure today if I do the same I don't know the consequences."
The president, who has ruled the country since 2001, said that he was proud of his legacy.
"Afghanistan is home to all Afghans now. We have a parliament where commanders, clergy, mujahids and women sit together.
"We have 11 candidates running for president who represent a combination of all Afghan people and thinking."
And he shrugged off concerns about the implications of his posturing, saying that Western anger and the cutting of financial aid did not trouble him.
"Money is not everything," he said. "If you ask me as an individual, I would rather live in poverty than uncertainty."
Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, admits that he has not spoken to Barack Obama in seven months as he reveals the complete breakdown of trust between his country and the United States
By Harriet Alexander
11:34AM GMT 02 Feb 2014
The president of Afghanistan has not spoken to his American counterpart since June, he said, in an interview which showed the increasing gulf between Kabul and Washington.
Hamid Karzai, 56, has grown increasingly hostile towards Barack Obama as Afghanistan prepares to elect a new president in April. Mr Karzai will not stand again, but he is determined to emphasise his disagreements with the United States before he steps down.
"This whole 12 years was one of constant pleading with America to treat the lives of our civilians as lives of people," he said, adding that he had not spoken to Mr Obama since June.
"We met in South Africa [at Mandela's funeral] but didn't speak. Letters have been exchanged."
Mr Karzai said that he "saw no good" in the American presence in his country.
"They did not work for me, they worked against me," he said, and referred to the Taliban in his interview with The Sunday Times as "brothers" and the Americans as "rivals".
His rhetoric has been ill received in Washington, where American politicians are evermore infuriated by Mr Karzai's stance.
America spent $648bn (£394bn) during the war, which has cost 2,211 lives. Last week Congress cut development aid to Afghanistan in half, reducing it to $1.1bn.
But Mr Karzai is unrepentant.
"The money they should have paid to the police they paid to private security firms and creating militias who caused lawlessness, corruption and highway robbery," he said.
"They then began systematically waging psychological warfare on our people, encouraging our money to go out of our country.
"What they did was create pockets of wealth and a vast countryside of deprivation and anger."
He is slightly more generous in his assessment of Britain, "which has conducted with us in a very civilised way and tried to bring better relations between us and Pakistan."
But he added: "In general the US-led Nato mission in terms of bringing security has not been successful, particularly in Helmand."
A key bone of contention between the US and Afghanistan is the bilateral security agreement, which proposes 8-12,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan beyond the withdrawal of combat soldiers at the end of 2014. America is keen for the troops to remain to prevent "losing" Afghanistan, and the country's tribal elders supported the plan at an assembly in November.
Yet Mr Karzai is dragging his heels, saying that history has taught Afghanistan not to "gamble" on pacts.
"Under pressure our kings signed things and all that turned out to be disastrous for Afghanistan," he said. "Under pressure today if I do the same I don't know the consequences."
The president, who has ruled the country since 2001, said that he was proud of his legacy.
"Afghanistan is home to all Afghans now. We have a parliament where commanders, clergy, mujahids and women sit together.
"We have 11 candidates running for president who represent a combination of all Afghan people and thinking."
And he shrugged off concerns about the implications of his posturing, saying that Western anger and the cutting of financial aid did not trouble him.
"Money is not everything," he said. "If you ask me as an individual, I would rather live in poverty than uncertainty."
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