Mullah Umer distances himself from TTP

[vinyard80]

there are many people that know him. Karzais father knew him and many who are now in the afghan gov knew him. He is not a myth.

ISI would not target him because it would not be in their interest to target him. He would be necessary to keep india out of Afghanistan just like the ruskies never targeted your masood and kept him on the payrollbecause he was necessary to keep hekmatyar out of the north.

Karzai is a joke, bro. There is no proof about his existence. Just fairy tales.

[randolph85]

hamid karzai is just cgi brought to you by pixar.

[gadoonwal]

The source is zahid hamid a paid isi agent and pakistani newspaper wich is fully control by isi.
Looks like many members here from afghan side would believe anything and get emotional.
where is mula omar?
Dose anyone of you know?
where he gave this interview?

[Khorosani]

The Taliban always refute the accusations against them, but not the accusations of TTP being under them? I wonder why? How about the fact that the Taliban have made a statement with regards to the martyrdom of Mullah Hakimullah Mehsud and they never refuted the claims on them? How about the fact that in that statement they addressed the pakistani people to stop foreign intervention and foreign influences, from that statement you can make an inference that whoever is influenced by the foreigners than it is necessary to make them change or eliminate them, according to the Taliban. Let alone all the leaders that happen to be killed on TTP territory.

TTP, Harakt Islami Uzbekistan and to a level AQC (al qaeda central) are all under the Emirate of Afghanistan. It's a reality that needs to be swallowed.

[hk1992]

I probably amnt going to make any friends by saying this but the most likely scenario is that post 2001 the taliban is completely independent of the ISI and are just one organisation divided under different regional command zones ie afghan taliban in afghanistan ttp in pakistan etc

Most of the confusion in Pakistan and afghanistan derives from the fact that in pakistan the pakistani media tries to blame india and afghanistan and america for there taliban problem because in the interest of national unity its better if it appears as an non pakistani affiliated group which is wrecking the nation rather than a repeat of an east pakistan scenario. for afghanistan its the exact same situation, the afghan media would prefer if pakistan and pakistanis are blamed rather than afghans as this would only serve to fragment the countries national unity so pakistanis and the ISI are turned into the bogey man(dont get me wrong they are a monster and interfered back in the 1990s but i think they burnt that bridge with the taliban when they sold half of them out to the americans post 2001) they are blamed for all of afghanistans problems the only issue here is that the afghan media cant blame anyone else but pakistan cus everyone else is literally paying for there nation.

The funniest thing here is that the two people with the most similar outlook on life are punjabis and tajiks, but for some reason they cant stand each other, you'd think they'd team up and solve there pashtun problem once and for all which is probably a far more effective strategy than blaming each other.

[Al-Afghani]

The funniest thing here is that the two people with the most similar outlook on life are punjabis and tajiks, but for some reason they cant stand each other, you'd think they'd team up and solve there pashtun problem once and for all which is probably a far more effective strategy than blaming each other.

Brother, Punjabis love Afghan Pashtuns. It's like the Israel-America relationship, we are the Israelis and Punjabis are Americans.

Pashtuns have a very special place in the heart of Punjabis. Our love is mutual.

Come 2015, they will help us conquer Afghanistan. In return, the Pashtun Afghan Taliban will destroy TTP for them.

[hk1992]

Looking at this logically why would the taliban need pakistan to take over afghanistan when its all ready doing pretty good against all of nato and ISAF I dont see the ISI giving them any special help they are operating under classical local asymmetrical warfare tactics, if the ISI was indeed helping them we would see better guns, AA, modern AT missiles, armoured vehicles- I dont see any of these, everything they have is weapons indigent to the afghanistan region, therefore I can only assume the only realistic support the ISI is giving the taliban in this situation are words of encouragement. If we can now agree that the ISI is not helping them militarily why would they need them to take over afghanistan when they are currently doing so well without them.

Secondly why would they Destroy TTP when its only a subsidiary of the afghan taliban that operates in pakistan but it also has bases in afghanistan(ie nuristan etc), making it the pakistan branch of the afghan taliban. The likeliest scenario is that either the afghan taliban wants pakistan to think they're on there side so that post the talibans takeover of afghanistan they propel the TTP into a full fledged attack against the pakistani state backed by the afghan taliban from afghanistan more or less ensuring the loss of FATA, Parts of KPK and Parts of Balouchistan, after this a weakened pakistan will either succumb to a complete takeover by the taliban or be overwhelmed by India which will takeover whats left to act as a buffer between india proper and the taliban(the latter scenario is in my opinion more likely but then again more surprising things have happened). This is the direction pakistan and afghanistan are headed in currently, no amount of sarcasm or panic induced rages by anyone is going to change this. If you want to stop this from happening you really do need to make an alliance between punjabis and tajiks happen and quick because there is unlikely to be much hope for them in such a state as they would both considered traitors and wont fare very well in this state.

Tajiks have to realize that there days are numbered in afghanistan either way, its better for them if they ally with punjabis and vice versa because they may actually last longer in power this way otherwise they will assuredly all hang separately

[khushal]

^^The TTP are many groups under one umbrella. They are not as united as you think. The Masuds and Swat Taliban are extremely anti Pakistani state while the Wazir Taliban are anti NATO and Afghan gov. This is one of the reasons the PAk army don't want to start operations in north Waziristan because than that would turn the wazir Taliban to turn their guns on the Pakistani state as well. The Paki state have to be very careful here because those groups now have sanctuary on the Afghan side.

[hk1992]

I think its more an illusion of disunity because if they were truly disunited and couldnt stand each other then I dont think the wazirs in north waziristan would have given refuge to mehsuds ttp when the pak army started operations in south waziristan, it looks to me like a game of cat and mouse where the talian higher ups keep moving things around keep making the pakistani army run around in circles until the taliban as a whole are ready to deal with pakistan.

I agree there are many organizations within them but isn't that true of america there are like 19 intelligence agencies but they ultimately have one goal which is to protect america even if there are some minor disagreements among them over how to achieve that, I think people read too much into the minor tactical differences among the various taliban groups as meaning they are all at loggerheads with each other, which just doesnt sound right to me they wouldnt have lasted this long without some degree of central leadership to organise them broadly speaking.