why did PASHTUNS for the mughals turks and nadar shah

[pashtun2121]

why did Pashtuns fight for the Mughals when Pashtuns were made slaves under the Mughals

why did Pashtuns fight for nadir shah when they were made to be slaves under nadir shah

why did Pashtuns fight for the british in the british east india company when they were slaves under the british

why did Pashtuns accept imperial rule from the british after the second anglo afghan war

reason I ask questions in such a tough manner is that studying Pashtun history and this warrior culture
what can ppl say accept for pasthuns are some of the poorest people in the world
need a reality check and need to wake up from this fantacy of their's that they are the ultimate warrior race

they need to build schools and build an economy to gain respect

this fake history Pashtuns are being fed is the reason they keep being used as mercenary slaves
no different then how the british use the gurkhas
and no different now the british to recruit different Indians in the british indian army


why did pasthuns fight for the Mughals cause they were fed lies so they would be loyal slaves and fight and die for the Mughals

same thing with Indians many Indians fought so loyally for the british cause the british use to feed them lies on how they were so great and in turn they were loyal to the british

feeding the slave soldier myth and legends is a great way to raise their moral, otherwise human nature is that a slave would rather die for their freedom then for their master

for ppl who don't know what moral is its motivation
british to motivate the british indian army would feed the soldiers fake recognition to the point they loved the british

british did this to the pasthuns the pakis are doing this to the Pashtuns nadir shah mughals

[pashtun2121]

no body in the world cares about pasthun history

same way no one cares about how great the montreal Canadians were in hockey in the past cause today the only hockey teams ppl care about are the once who are top 5

same thing today no one could care about pasthun history same goes for gorkhas who bin pumped up the same way Pashtuns have

pasthuns need leadership that will focus on turning Afghanistan around and into an economic power in the world and in turn with the technology and economy can build a strong army and not be seen as beggars in the world

saddest part is hearing stories of Pashtun poverty driving women into prostitution

or Pashtun poverty leading to Pashtuns to take up jobs in Pakistan that are degrading and extremely low paying and basically have Pashtuns being exploited

[Kushan Prince]

Dude you need to get banned with these pashtun bashing questions.

[Khilji]

this fake pashtun must be banned

[hk1992]

why did Pashtuns fight for the Mughals when Pashtuns were made slaves under the Mughals
-yusufzai pashtuns almost annihilated babur and his entire army, babur begged for leniency and the yusufzai chiefs daughters hand in marriage which the yusufzai consented to, they also sent a large contingent of yususfzai men with her to act as her own personal army in return babur gave them large portions of north india as there autonomous kingdom, ruled by his queen the daughter of the yusufzai. If you were pashtun you would know the above story and wouldn't make such stupid statements. A second situation is that Humayun the second or third mughal king disrespected his pashtun generals-yes there actually weren't enough mughals to rule india so most of the army and its leaders were pashtuns- so they made Sher shah suri king and sent humayoon into exile in iran. This is appears to be your definition of slaves people who send there kings into exile and appoint new kings when it suits them. This is why although the kings of parts of india for 150 years were mughal the people of india dont know that mughals were uzbeks-they think they were pashtun because all true power in india belonged to pashtuns during mughal rule and anyone whose read history knows that no matter how you dress it up.

why did Pashtuns fight for nadir shah when they were made to be slaves under nadir shah-The pashtuns were never slaves under nadir shah but nadir shah took advantage of a civil war between the ghilzai and the abdali, he joined the ghilzai and with them defeated the abdali, then he turned on the ghilzai and defeated them while afghansitans two major tribes were dealing with the aftershocks of this he quickly conquered persia and india but this didnt last for long as ahmad shah abdali declared independence and took over nadir shahs empire and made it the slave of the pashtuns. This was a period of civil war and I cant see why your gloating about this as the sikhs almost existed in a state of perpetual civil war until the white man came along and whacked them into order and made them the most obedient of races.

why did Pashtuns fight for the british in the british east india company when they were slaves under the british- The pashtuns in india were few in number and had been gone from there traditional homeland for a long time, so first of all there were only a few hundred pashtun serving in the east india company and that was only as mercenaries just as various europeans served as mercenaries in different states, such people exist in every society and is hardly a symbol of slavery of that society, you were really pulling at straws here with this one, it would only really be a valid statement if the british east india company conquered NWFP or afghanistan, but I don't know if you knew this but they did conquer india(probably cus of the few hundred pashtuns who joined there army).

why did Pashtuns accept imperial rule from the british after the second anglo afghan war
- I'm confused, who accepted british rule the afghan king gave the tribal areas to the British FATA, parts of NWFP, North Balochistan, this served him and not the british anyone with a half decent knowledge of the pashtuns knows that the pashtuns on the pakistan side of the durand line were always a nuisance for the afghan king as they controlled the khyber pass and if the king pissed them of they could block his access to or from india, which is what happened to the mughals which is why they lost control of afghanistan and became a indian only kingdom. The afghan king gave these areas with the intention of bogging the british down in perpetual warfare which existed until the british withdrew from these areas hence the name The North West Frontier Province, The Queen actually asked the british army generals why they insisted on continuing to fight with these tribes if they couldnt beat them to which The lord general replied that the Frontier provided the British army with a "training ground unlike no other", Only to a sikh does perpetual warfare against the british mean slavery, as it deprives them of being ordered around by the white man which is the highest echelon of freedom as far as they're concerned.

The above statements are either those of a Sikh/Punjabi/Non Pashtun harbouring resentment towards pashtuns because of a sense of Jealousy, all communities colonized by another resent there colonizers-this is the right of the colonized and I wouldnt want to deprive you of this most fundamental right but at least state your real identity, be proud of who you are, hiding behind the name of your colonizers smacks of a giant inferiority complex and only serves to shoot yourself in the foot and completely removes any real weight from your words.

I wont be responding to anymore of your threads as I feel my answers are too definitive and your questions lack any real intelligence as befits a non-pashtun( no offense intended) as they lack any real reference.

[Badlun]

The questions are relevant and he should never be banned as he is the one who is asking for reality check. Others are in slumber and in the padaram sultan bood mentality. Pashtun2121 even if he is non Pashtun or an enemy of Pashtun is an asset who is not beating about the bush but hittling the nail exactly where it should be hit.

What are the most famous Pashtuns today? Taliban

What are Pashtuns notorious for? Terrorism

Are Pashtuns famous for education, science, technology, philosophy, economy, politics? NO, A BIG NO
Then what for they are famous? Religious extremism, bigotry, illiteracy, poverty, drugs, murders, kidnappings.

We really need a reality check.
I am with Pashtun2121 fully

can any one give a list of the achievements of Pashtuns in the last many centuries except wars and destruction. Only exceptions can be people like Sher Shah and Khushal Khan and spiritual personalities like Rahman Baba.

[Loy Afghanistan]

I understand Badlun to. History is NEVER AND NEVER BEEN black and white. When I talk generally about a thing, I simply it very much. But when this Pasthun2121 talks about details it is a different thing.

Why Pashtun did fight with other sides. Same reason they did and still do in modern the civil war. Uneducated, brainwashed, personal interest/revenge etc, foreign influence and money from others. They pay you do their "job"

Wroora doesn't this sounds logical? Or I don't understand Pashtuns in those area fully.

[DSM0305]

I have said this before and I will say it again. You can spit on your culture, you can piss on your history, you can deny your forefathers achievements... but school wont be build and education will not be achieved from you denying and humiliating your history.

For some reason people believe if we run away from our warrior history, schools will suddenly pop-up from the thin air. Lets me make it clear, our education problem isn't because of our culture or history as so many western born people with inferiority complex believe.

Pashtuns live in a tough environment with mountainous-terrain and bad agriculture land. We are landlocked and have very low amount of natural resources. Our neighbors are unfriendly and causes conflicts. That is why we have evolved a warrior culture instead of other ''occupations'' you may call it.

To sum it up. Pashtuns are less educated as an ethnicity simply because of our demographics. It causes war and poverty. With war and poverty you cannot focus on education.

Currently there is 72 if not more universities in Afghanistan and they are all full. Which means our people do want to educate themselves, our governments simply doesn't have enough money to spend on more schools. There is millions of graduates from ordinary schools and those millions do send their application for higher education. As said before, there is simply not enough universities.

To put it simple. Pashtun people DO want to have education, but they are poor and live in poverty, therefore cannot have the same level of education as western countries.

So guys stop with your inferiority complex and don't insult or deny our history. We are and we have always been an independent people with a warrior culture. And no this doesn't effect our education, but poverty does.

[DSM0305]

no body in the world cares about pasthun history

Pashtuns do care about their history. That is all that is important. There doesn't exist a single country who cares for another countries history, so what you said applies to everyone and not just pashtuns.
No offense but you don't seem to be very bright, so I will show you an example and simplified it as much as possible, so even your retarded brain can comprehend it.
Danish people cares for Danish history
Swedish people cares for Swedish history
German people cares for German history
Russian people cares for Russian history
pashtun people cares for Pashtun history

German people do not care for Danish history
Danish people do not care for German history
Russians people do not care for Swedish history
Swedish people do not care for Russian history
And so on...

pasthuns need leadership that will focus on turning Afghanistan around and into an economic power in the world and in turn with the technology and economy can build a strong army and not be seen as beggars in the world

Do you even have an education? Even children from elementary school have a better logic than you. Let me make it clear for you. Every nation wants big economy, strong military etc, but those cannot be achieved by simply wanting it. If it could be achieved by simply wanting it, then every country in this world would be a superpower.

The rest you said was simply retarded comments, these comments of yours was also retarded, but I wanted to clarify and hopefully put some sense into you. Your logic is flawed and you don't know how the world runs, so stop spamming this forum with nonsense.

[DSM0305]

The questions are relevant and he should never be banned as he is the one who is asking for reality check. Others are in slumber and in the padaram sultan bood mentality. Pashtun2121 even if he is non Pashtun or an enemy of Pashtun is an asset who is not beating about the bush but hittling the nail exactly where it should be hit.

How is his ''questions'' relevant and how in the world did he hit the nail... Now tell me, what did he achieve by doing all this...

Lets pretend everyone in this forum agrees with you and the other dude. What will change? Will Pashtun people suddenly become educated, will Pashtun people suddenly become rich, will Afghanistan suddenly become a world superpower...

The reality is, you guys are the one who needs a reality check. You achieve nothing, you do nothing. All there is to you guys is meaningless bashing with no facts to back it up.

What are the most famous Pashtuns today? Taliban

What are Pashtuns notorious for? Terrorism

Are Pashtuns famous for education, science, technology, philosophy, economy, politics? NO, A BIG NO
Then what for they are famous? Religious extremism, bigotry, illiteracy, poverty, drugs, murders, kidnappings.

What are you famous for? Did you get a noble prize? Did you invent something? Are you millionaire or billionaire? Are you a famous politician? Are you known for your philosophy? The answer is a big NO. You live in western country with endless opportunities and yet you have achieved literally nothing.

People in Afghanistan lives in poverty, war, tough demographics, no school opportunities and yet there exist millionaires, inventors, politicians etc.

Pashtun is an ethnicity with big political power in 2 countries despise the endless hardship.

You in the other hand live in the land of opportunities and yet have achieved NOTHING. Now judge for yourself...

People like you are all talk but no show...

[Badlun]

Pashtuns do care and should care for their history. Every nation does and should. But we should learn from history. Germans do not exclude Nazi period from their history but have learnt from it. Jews have learnt and now for the first time in history they have their own state.

Pashtuns' history is full of wars and destruction. Sometimes they were fighting as commanders and sometimes as soldiers for others. Now the time is changed. Now education, politics, economy, culture, art, literature, peace, science, technology etc are the priorities not Islamism, bigotry, drugs, illiteracy, poverty , warlordism etc.

Who will bell the cat? Each and every Pashtun as an individual, memebr of family, society, community , state and world at large.

What I am doing? Let us reply to this question each one of us.

I ,Badlun, in virtual world(PF) am struggling against Islamism, Taliban, AlQaeda etc and promoting Pashtunwali, Pashto and causes of Pashtuns.
In real world I am doing the same with practical steps and will try to establish a university for Pashtuns and a network of formal and technical private schools where Pashtuns will be educated on nominal charges

[Badlun]

How is his ''questions'' relevant and how in the world did he hit the nail... Now tell me, what did he achieve by doing all this...

Lets pretend everyone in this forum agrees with you and the other dude. What will change? Will Pashtun people suddenly become educated, will Pashtun people suddenly become rich, will Afghanistan suddenly become a world superpower...

The reality is, you guys are the one who needs a reality check. You achieve nothing, you do nothing. All there is to you guys is meaningless bashing with no facts to back it up.

What are you famous for? Did you get a noble prize? Did you invent something? Are you millionaire or billionaire? Are you a famous politician? Are you known for your philosophy? The answer is a big NO. You live in western country with endless opportunities and yet you have achieved literally nothing.

People in Afghanistan lives in poverty, war, tough demographics, no school opportunities and yet there exist millionaires, inventors, politicians etc.

Pashtun is an ethnicity with big political power in 2 countries despise the endless hardship.

You in the other hand live in the land of opportunities and yet have achieved NOTHING. Now judge for yourself...

People like you are all talk but no show...

I appreciate your sincerity, candidness and straightforwardness. You do not know me personally so you may not be able what I have achieved or achieving as an individual Pashtun. But if Pashtun2121 is wasting his time asking Pashtuns for reality check then you are also wasting your time and I am also doing the same.

PF is a vurtual world and like any social network we are sharing ideas for awareness and learning for its application in practical life.

[DSM0305]

I appreciate your sincerity, candidness and straightforwardness. You do not know me personally so you may not be able what I have achieved or achieving as an individual Pashtun. But if Pashtun2121 is wasting his time asking Pashtuns for reality check then you are also wasting your time and I am also doing the same.

PF is a vurtual world and like any social network we are sharing ideas for awareness and learning for its application in practical life.

That the whole point. What Pashtun2121 said had no beneficial factor in it. It was historical incorrect, his terms were incorrect, he had no point, it was counterproductive etc.

He made various duplicated thread because his previous threads being ignored due to his ignorance and lack of factual data.

I honestly couldn't care less if someone has different point of view, even if it is degrading someone or have political agenda. What I do care about is facts and evidence to back it up with. When someone says something, then a conclusion should be included. Not some random bashing and degradation.

If we want to benefit from this forum without wasting time. We must make a statement/explanation, analyze it, lay up to a discussion, then make a conclusion. Which is far from what Pashtun2121 did.

I am not saying every thread should start up with a rocket science, but at least have some basic work for a constructive discussion.

[Loy Afghanistan]

I love to see DSM0305 and Badluns arguments. They do it through logical facts, civilized and respecting manners.

It is nice to see true Pashtuns with free mind.

[gadoonwal]

Did,nt you heard this ?
buy pashtuns to rule on baluchis and others.
pashtuns can be hired.It is fact.
Lets start it from the time of lodhi/ghilzai rule in india.
During the time of lodhis some pashtuns fought against their own pashtuns.
The yuosufzais did,nt support khushal khan baba against mugals.
The yousufzais of swabi and mardan later supported him but those in swat region took side with mugals against pashtuns.
The same swatians supported mugals against baya
zid ansari.But thanks to pashtuns yousufzais of mardan,swabi and the afridi etc for backing Pir Rokhan.So the pupet never had the courage to face pashtuns.
Khushal baba called them mugali and benang.
Yes,some sold out pashtuns fight for nadir shah and britishes.
Even some fight for Sicks too.

We need a powerfull pashtun leadership with good weapons to kill those pashtuns not supporting unity.
There is no way you can teach pashtuns.They are all leaders.