.Pakistani ISI training of Pashtun children into suicide bombers .

[DSM0305]

when I was visiting Karachi, I met him, he was a friend of my cousins, and I wouldn't need to lie, the guy even showed me videos of their weapons and he also showed me a video of them silting the throat of somebody, he was really hardcore.

He also claimed to have weapons, and his younger brother who was more sane then him told me it was all true and that he didn't support his older brother.

Bother... Just stop this... seriously one doesn't need to have a doctor degree to know this is a lie.

TTP who are the same group as Afghan Taliban and got even the same leader. Yet you claim he is supporting Afghan army... who has been fighting Taliban since beginning of the war...

And apparently a hardcore TTP member goes to Karachi and tells you and even showing you videos... you who is pro Pakistani government.

Sorry brother but what you said is totally a lie.

[EvilPakistani]

Bother... Just stop this... seriously one doesn't need to have a doctor degree to know this is a lie.

TTP who are the same group as Afghan Taliban and got even the same leader. Yet you claim he is supporting Afghan army... who has been fighting Taliban since beginning of the war...

And apparently a hardcore TTP member goes to Karachi and tells you and even showing you videos... you who is pro Pakistani government.

Sorry brother but what you said is totally a lie.

Nope, I'm not lying, this was real encounter.

TTP who are the same group as Afghan Taliban and got even the same leader. Yet you claim he is supporting Afghan army... who has been fighting Taliban since beginning of the war...

True, that guy was kind of stupid, but then aren't most foot soldiers that dumb?He just hated Pakistan and NATO, and he probably assumed that TTP were anti-Pak and anti-Natio, he probably wasn't aware about the intricacies, but that's why these Talibs are quite dumb and gullible.

And apparently a hardcore TTP member goes to Karachi and tells you and even showing you videos...

First of all that guy was living in Karachi, many Pashtuns live in Karachi, in fact Karachi has the most Pashtuns in the world, but he would travel almost every year back to his village, and yes he showed me videos on his phone.

you who is pro Pakistani government.

Lol, I might be pro-Pakistan but I don't wear a badge or something that says it out loud, I don't talk much about Politics with acquaintances, he doesn't know about my views, however he was friend of my cousins so he sorted trusted, he kinda crazy tho(hi's brother admitted that), when he found out I had American passport, he told me I was "american agent" lmao, I tried explaining him that having an American passport doesn't make somebody an American agent, but I guess he was that dumb.

Sorry brother but what you said is totally a lie.

Whatever, that's up to you to believe or deny?
BTW that guy was part of the Burki/Baraki tribe, i don't know much about pashtun tribes, so you would know whether they're native to waziristan.

[DSM0305]

Nope, I'm not lying, this was real encounter.


True, that guy was kind of stupid, but then aren't most foot soldiers that dumb?He just hated Pakistan and NATO, and he probably assumed that TTP were anti-Pak and anti-Natio, he probably wasn't aware about the intricacies, but that's why these Talibs are quite dumb and gullible.



First of all that guy was living in Karachi, many Pashtuns live in Karachi, in fact Karachi has the most Pashtuns in the world, but he would travel almost every year back to his village, and yes he showed me videos on his phone.


Lol, I might be pro-Pakistan but I don't wear a badge or something that says it out loud, I don't talk much about Politics with acquaintances, he doesn't know about my views, however he was friend of my cousins so he sorted trusted, he kinda crazy tho(hi's brother admitted that), when he found out I had American passport, he told me I was "american agent" lmao, I tried explaining him that having an American passport doesn't make somebody an American agent, but I guess he was that dumb.


Whatever, that's up to you to believe or deny?
BTW that guy was part of the Burki/Baraki tribe, i don't know much about pashtun tribes, so you would know whether they're native to waziristan.

Foot soldier or not, one doesn't tell somebody that he is the enemy of the state. Even if you were his best friend, one wouldn't tell someone something like that. Especially if they don't know your position regarding politics.
I know there is a stereotype that goes around in Pakistan regarding pathan being ''dumb'', but it is far from reality. You cannot wash your lies simply by referring to them as ''dumb''.

Just admit you lied to get a political agenda across.

[afghan]

well the strange thing that i don't understand how come she was allowed to go film these kids and the taliban she remained untouched? there must be something else behind this documentary.

[gadoonwal]

Many of these children lost their parents in war.Some are too poor the parents put them into madrasas where pakistani officail training them for terorr.
Many of them are kidnaped by ,,isi,, agents from the streets of pashtunkhwa .
I know one family whose son was kidnaped by isi for terorrism and later was released with help of a pashtun army major the family knew.
Badlun sb
We have to accept pashtuns are not clever enough and thats the reason people play with them whatever they like.
At present pashtun lost to arabization.They are following the sell out mullas and they can,nt cross the line.
pASHTUNLAND on both side of durand is a big mess and only allah can help them cus pashtuns give up their struggle and fall into the hands of others.
The educated pashtuns do,nt like to be in touch with these people.
They hate eachother.

[gadoonwal]

@gadoonwal: not all of the terrorists happen to be pashtuns, there are other ethnicities too, I think many Chechens are also present in the TTP.

yes,
The chchens,uzbiks and arabs are the guests of isi .They are using them accross durandline and inside pashtunkhwa.
They transport them in pak army vehicles.

[vinyard80]

I'm not lying, I met this guy and his brother, and he told me he supports Afghan army(probably because most Afghan soldiers are pashtun), he also claimed to part of the TTP and said he hated the pak army.

Most of afghan army is non pashtun (mainly tajik).

POLITICS: Tajik Grip on Afghan Army Signals New Ethnic War>

[gadoonwal]

Most of afghan army is non pashtun (mainly tajik).

POLITICS: Tajik Grip on Afghan Army Signals New Ethnic War>

soon you will deny that tajik dominate ANA.
Get some life and be realistic.

[EvilPakistani]

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I know there is a stereotype that goes around in Pakistan regarding pathan being ''dumb'', but it is far from reality. You cannot wash your lies simply by referring to them as ''dumb''.

Just admit you lied to get a political agenda across.

Not true, I don't consider Pashtuns to be dumb(that's probably what you think), I was saying this guy in particular was dumb and his younger brother was smarter, you don't have to play the race card all the time.

And no I do not have a political agenda, I gain nothing from fabricating a story and then putting it up online.

Foot soldier or not, one doesn't tell somebody that he is the enemy of the state. Even if you were his best friend, one wouldn't tell someone something like that. Especially if they don't know your position regarding politics

Well, he did and many people in Pakistan talk about their political views openly, I even met an Afghan guy that was born and raised in Karachi but his parents were from Paktia, and he said he hated Pakistan, theyre not afraid because they know an average joe like me won't do much.

[DSM0305]

Not true, I don't consider Pashtuns to be dumb(that's probably what you think), I was saying this guy in particular was dumb and his younger brother was smarter, you don't have to play the race card all the time.

And no I do not have a political agenda, I gain nothing from fabricating a story and then putting it up online.



Well, he did and many people in Pakistan talk about their political views openly, I even met an Afghan guy that was born and raised in Karachi but his parents were from Paktia, and he said he hated Pakistan, theyre not afraid because they know an average joe like me won't do much.

What you said didn't make any sense politically nor logically. Apparently you meet random guys telling you random stuff that doesn't concern you. You can fabricate as much you want, but reality stays reality. Pulling the ''dumb'' card wont take you out from a political situation that contradict itself.

[EvilPakistani]

What you said didn't make any sense politically nor logically. Apparently you meet random guys telling you random stuff that doesn't concern you. You can fabricate as much you want, but reality stays reality. Pulling the ''dumb'' card wont take you out from a political situation that contradict itself.

I didn't just meet "random guys", I just happen to know them through mutual acquaintances, do you want me to write some sort of biography about how I met such people, and then log at what time we had a conversation etc

Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you, like I said before, I know the truth and that's what matters to me because after that encounter, my views about the Taliban had changed.

You may find it hard to believe, but that's your problem not mine.

PS I never contradicted(if you know what it means) myself even once.

[DSM0305]

I didn't just meet "random guys", I just happen to know them through mutual acquaintances, do you want me to write some sort of biography about how I met such people, and then log at what time we had a conversation etc

Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you, like I said before, I know the truth and that's what matters to me because after that encounter, my views about the Taliban had change.

You may find it hard to believe, but that's your problem not mine.

PS I never contradicted(if you know what it means) myself even once.

English... do you speak it? I said political contradiction, apparently you have hard time comprehend a simple sentence.
If I had to compare your original statement with another, this is how it will look like:
I meet an Al'queda member who was an atheist.
I meet Taliban who was an atheist.
I meet Taliban and Al-queda who was sitting down with US soldiers and chilling.
I meet Taliban and Al-queda who loved American soldiers.

You said: I meet a TTP member who supported ANA.
Now tell me what the difference between your sentence and those above it.

[DSM0305]

This is from a dictionary. So yes you did contradict yourself.
a statement or proposition that contradict or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous.

direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency. a contradictory act, fact, etc.

[EvilPakistani]

English... do you speak it? I said political contradiction, apparently you have hard time comprehend a simple sentence.

saary i donut ispic inglis.

If I had to compare your original statement with another, this is how it will look like:
I meet an Al'queda member who was an atheist.
I meet Taliban who was an atheist.
I meet Taliban and Al-queda who was sitting down with US soldiers and chilling.
I meet Taliban and Al-queda who loved American soldiers.

You said: I meet a TTP member who supported ANA.
Now tell me what the difference between your sentence and those above it.

Your example is stupid and irrelevant, you can't compare the two, because Talibs(whether they be TTP or Afghan Taliban) hate Pakistan, that's why they attack Pakistani soldiers and Pakistani civilians, and blow up mosques,schools and marketplaces, regardless of where they get support from and recently America caught the Afghan gov. redhanded working with the TTP and that angered Karzai.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/us-disrupts-afghans-tack-on-militants.html?_r=0

Even if the ISI were training them, they would still hate Pakistan, perhaps because FATA is an impoverished region and the people there feel marginalized, that's why they turn to terrorism.

[DSM0305]

saary i donut ispic inglis.



Your example is stupid and irrelevant, you can't compare the two, because Talibs(whether they be TTP or Afghan Taliban) hate Pakistan, that's why they attack Pakistani soldiers and Pakistani civilians, and blow up mosques,schools and marketplaces, regardless of where they get support from and recently America caught the Afghan gov. redhanded working with the TTP and that angered Karzai.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/wo...ants.html?_r=0

Even if the ISI were training them, they would still hate Pakistan, perhaps because FATA is an impoverished region and the people there feel marginalized, that's why they turn to terrorism.

It must be in Kashimiris genes that makes them lie. They do exactly the same in Afghanistan and many TTP members have been apart of the insurgencies in Afghanistan.

This is from your own source:
Both Afghan and American officials said the Afghan plan to aid the Pakistan Taliban was in its preliminary stages when Mr. Mehsud was seized by American forces. But they agree on little else.

Apparently you do not speak ''inglis''. I hoped you were a honest person who would admit his mistakes, but apparently you Kashmiris are born liars.

A TTP supporting ANA...give me a break. If you gonna lie at least do it believable.