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    http://history.state.gov/historicald...2-54v11p2/d873
    please read this document

    While many people are correctly focused on the documents released by Julian Assange and Edward Snowden, I might point out that there are many publicly available documents that provide interesting historical context as well as current information. Americans have been led to believe that our fight in Afghanistan is about noble intentions, girls' schools, women’s rights, “building a secure and stable Afghanistan”, “remarkable development progress”, etc. None of this was ever true, and ever more Americans are waking up to that. I’ve written on this aspect of the war many times before. But what few people know is that American foreign policy in the region is dominated by a vision of taking Afghanistan and merging it with Pakistan, with Islamabad as the capital. That was derailed somewhat by 9/11. But once the Taliban was swept away and Al Qaeda was pushed into Yemen, Pakistan and elsewhere, the policy of feeding Afghanistan to Pakistan came back out. That’s the dirty secret here. That’s the real reason for continued American involvement. State is trying to betray Afghans into being swallowed up by Pakistan as was Balochistan. It’s an old policy that apparently hasn’t been reviewed for its wisdom or viability. It is driven by corporate money now—energy, pipeline, mineral and weapons manufacturers. When all of these forces come together as one concentration of capital, you may very well get a war or regime change or “stabilization” or counter insurgency as a policy outcome even if that war is idiotic on its face to the people who have to fight it and pay for it.

    America has always favored Pakistan over Afghanistan. The above link is just one of many publicly available documents that show how the Department of State really thinks. One of the things that is interesting in these early documents is that American aid is being used to leverage Afghanistan, particularly military aid in the 1950s. It clearly has nothing to do with noble intentions. The goal then was to get Afghanistan and Pakistan to merge into one country. It seems they almost had Afghans under king Zahir Shah to buy into it. If you look at a map, Afghanistan is landlocked and that probably is why the people at State decided that Afghanistan was too weak to favor over Pakistan in the 1950s. There was also the immediate historic precedent of Balochistan, a freestanding country before Pakistan existed being forced at gunpoint, to “merge” into newly created Pakistan. This is conveniently forgotten by American diplomats who fret over the plight of Afghans so unconvincingly. Pakistanis have been murdering Balochis with American supplied weapons for decades, and US officials crying about the plight of women in Afghanistan somehow don’t notice.

    The candor with which the old documents discuss the Pashto issue is remarkable. They talk freely across many of these communiques about different constituencies in Afghanistan and know exactly who they are and what they want. During the Afghan Soviet war, that knowledge and candor vanished and it was all about “freedom” for Afghanistan. Freedom to do what, became part of “Greater Pakistan”? Watching a hearing in Congress the other day, all one could hear from State, USAID or DoD people was rhetoric about Afghan women in Afghan politics and their “gains” as well as the usual theater of little girls' schools and “gains” there. They talked glowingly of the ANSF’s abilities and “gains” there and every other misleading characterization they could throw up. It was all dressed up as being “noble”. Conversation about minorities, especially the very people who fought alongside Americans to oust the Taliban, is limited to rather flawed elections and women’s rights. But no one in Afghanistan ever asked the US for those things. They just wanted the Taliban off their backs.

    Another striking thing about the old cables, at a glance, is that, in the 1950s, the US Government is the source of all aid here and NOT the private sector. A page turned when it was decided to let private capital begin to influence events beginning with the arms merchants in the 1980s. When large concentrations of capital began to move things in Afghanistan, the tide of history began to go in a much worse direction. Enter Charlie Wilson, General Dynamics, Robin Raphel, UNOCAL, etc. and, presto, you get the Taliban which was, for years, favored by US policy.

    There are essential contradictions throughout US policy in the region. There is no unity between words and deeds from Washington. We are there allegedly for some kind of freedom in Afghanistan, even though we had a lot to do with inflicting the Taliban rule on Afghanistan, and we are returning Afghanistan to them. We want to improve the condition of women in Afghanistan, even though we have actually caused much greater suffering for women across the country, to the point where Afghan feminists are demanding that the US no longer use Afghan women as an excuse for staying on. We are supposedly in Afghanistan on these noble missions as expressed by our diplomats and government officials, but we cause effects that are exactly the opposite, killing indiscriminately, pretending that this is an insurgency, not a civil war, and making believe that Pakistan is an “ally” or “partner”. The training of the Afghan Army has been deliberately ineffective and our diplomats are pretending that they are doing well. The supplies that could be given to them as we downsize are being burned and destroyed instead. (American policy makers are very well aware that, as Afghans realize what is going on, there will likely be many more serious “green on blue” attacks.) At the same time, America is doubling down on its commitments to Pakistan, a policy that diplomats know very well is deeply unpopular among Americans. But they push on with the same lies in Congress and to the media. When you go in front of the Congress and describe gains for women in Afghanistan, you are lying. Period. When you describe Pakistan as an ally or partner, you are lying. When you describe a post-2014 American military presence to defend “gains” in Afghanistan, you are lying.

    Watch or scan through this video of a recent hearing and observe as various government officials try to paint a picture of “gains” in Afghanistan. They spend two hours defining a host of showboat programs that they admit, have little or no oversight, and are, in reality, rubbish. The impression being painted by these people is a situation in Afghanistan that has isolated problems and challenges, but, by and large, everything is okey dokey. At one point, about 1:35:06 in a link listed below, the question is asked, “What is the endgame?” This was particularly interesting because the answer was divided in two and the larger, strategic endgame was punted off and never answered. The answer given:

    “There’s two questions and the larger endgame, I’ll yield to Ambassador Dobbins for. [punt] That’s a policy question. With respect to the 100 million...for elections, we’re looking for an election that Afghans are happy with, secure, stable and democratic Afghanistan that governs its population justly and secures its geographic space.”

    Cute. The missing part of the answer is in the old documents linked above. Our foreign policy stewards want to “merge” Afghanistan with Pakistan and have Islamabad rule the entire entity. They want to do that for reasons that a glance at the map tells you is in the best interests of the massive corporate mining and energy extraction interests, and weapons dealers as well can appreciate. Pakistan is not landlocked like Afghanistan. But Afghanistan is where much of the geologic wealth lies buried. Pakistan also offers corrupt fascist generals and a well entrenched class of kleptocrats which represents an elite that corporations traditionally prefer to deal with. This is actually an old pattern. Remember Chile?

    If you can watch this presentation from beginning to end, you’re a strong person. Lesser mortals, like myself, have to stop it and puke. These officials are all so very concerned for women’s rights! Right. You really don’t have to watch the whole thing because you can get the idea after a few minutes. But if you like to vomit…

    Hearing: Afghanistan 2014: Year of Transition - YouTube

    Now watch the short story and see what happens when one congressman asks two simple questions: 1. How much money is all of this costing the taxpayer? 2. How many Americans have been killed in Afghanistan this year?

    http://blogs.wsj.co/washwire/2013/12...cials-stumped/

    They don’t know. They can tell you specific numbers that they invent and programs they inflate to make it seem as if we are making gains, but the total cost is a mystery! In the old documents, US diplomats clearly knew that programs desired by both Pakistan and Afghanistan were too costly to implement and use vague promises of aid for leverage. That’s certainly changed. Now, they clearly don’t care what the cost is. They will spend it, no matter what, on cosmetic phony programs that have nothing to do with their real intentions. The real intention is to screw the very people they claim that they want to help into becoming victims of Pakistan’s kleptocracy. It’s good to be able to print your own phony money! Once more, I invoke that great Sex Pistol, Johnny Rotten when he asked: “Ever get the feeling you’ve been had?”

    One of the many misleading statements in the hearing was the assertion that: “either we do this right or we do it again”, from the very same witness who ducked the larger strategic vision that is keeping America in Afghanistan. There are many more options on the menu, such as effectively leveraging Pakistan by encouraging dissent and ending all aid, reinstating a Balochi national entity, or simply get out (GTFO) of both Pakistan and Afghanistan. But the situation is deliberately hacked down to a simple binary choice, either do it right (our way) or do it again, (our way). I cannot possibly heap enough contempt on this bloody minded characterization. I’d like to present these *******s with a simple, stark, existential binary choice of my own.

  • #2
    There are tow main reason behind this cus afghans are sell out and money hungry and afghanistan is landlock country depedent on pakistan etc.
    They have sold their country to britishes,russains,punjabis and the US.
    A land lock country like afghanistan can not servive.
    Karzai isi and cia agent serve the interests of others not afghanistan.
    There was chance of raising the issue of durandline and supporting pashtun-baluch unity into one country .That will give pashtuns and afghanistan access to the sea that is not going to happen.Baluchs want their own country now.
    Many afghanis would like to emerge with pakistan but i do,nt think the pashtusn and baluch would ever like them to become part of pakistan.
    That will be another headace for the local economy and people.
    There is great differance between them.
    If punjabis want afghanis to join them better they take all of them accross to punjab .
    Pashtuns and baluch do,nt want them
    There is no such things as brotherhood or so.
    Now even pakistani govt want afghanistan to be stable state just with pupet govt of pakistan.What will people do with afghanistan?
    sun backed mountain,no water,dry land with no infrastructer.Un-educated people.
    Th only civilized and educated people are from northren and westren herat province and their areas are rich in source.
    They should lookafter their countrymen.
    afghanistan should not emerge with anyone.



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    pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
    be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
    gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
    be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
    hamza baba
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    • #3
      Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
      There are tow main reason behind this cus afghans are sell out and money hungry and afghanistan is landlock country depedent on pakistan etc.
      They have sold their country to britishes,russains,punjabis and the US.
      A land lock country like afghanistan can not servive.
      Karzai isi and cia agent serve the interests of others not afghanistan.
      There was chance of raising the issue of durandline and supporting pashtun-baluch unity into one country .That will give pashtuns and afghanistan access to the sea that is not going to happen.Baluchs want their own country now.
      Many afghanis would like to emerge with pakistan but i do,nt think the pashtusn and baluch would ever like them to become part of pakistan.
      That will be another headace for the local economy and people.
      There is great differance between them.
      If punjabis want afghanis to join them better they take all of them accross to punjab .
      Pashtuns and baluch do,nt want them
      There is no such things as brotherhood or so.
      Now even pakistani govt want afghanistan to be stable state just with pupet govt of pakistan.What will people do with afghanistan?
      sun backed mountain,no water,dry land with no infrastructer.Un-educated people.
      Th only civilized and educated people are from northren and westren herat province and their areas are rich in source.
      They should lookafter their countrymen.
      afghanistan should not emerge with anyone.
      Kinda ironic you call us uneducated yet your English is worse than that of a 5 year old. I mean it is fine to have a grammatical error here and there, but your English is directly unreadable.

      I honestly don't think your lack of intelligence is your fault. I mean honestly... look at your punctuations. They are like randomly sat in the middle of a word. In all seriousness I think it is some sort of mental disorder, I will highly recommend you to visit a doctor.

      No wonder in Pakistan Pathans are known for their stupidity. I usually got upset when a Punjabi made jokes about Pathans for their dumb and foolish nature, but now after I seen you.... yeah, it all make sense now to say the least.

      Well, farewell my dear caveman I honestly highly doubt you can even understand this sentence.
      Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

      People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

      ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
      Ronald Reagan

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

      Pashto dictionary:
      http://thepashto.com/index.php

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
        Kinda ironic you call us uneducated yet your English is worse than that of a 5 year old. I mean it is fine to have a grammatical error here and there, but your English is directly unreadable.

        I honestly don't think your lack of intelligence is your fault. I mean honestly... look at your punctuations. They are like randomly sat in the middle of a word. In all seriousness I think it is some sort of mental disorder, I will highly recommend you to visit a doctor.

        No wonder in Pakistan Pathans are known for their stupidity. I usually got upset when a Punjabi made jokes about Pathans for their dumb and foolish nature, but now after I seen you.... yeah, it all make sense now to say the least.

        Well, farewell my dear caveman I honestly highly doubt you can even understand this sentence.
        yes,my english is not that good.
        But sell out kabaliya the pashtuns in pakistan are highly educated and serving on the top jobs.
        The top medical docters,engineers etc are pashtuns.
        In the atomic energy some of the most inteligent one are pashtuns you dumped kabuli khar.
        While you on the others side called ,,,dumdar and spagan by tajiks.
        Many of your fellow maajars in pashtunkhwa do,nt take shower for years.
        One of them said ,,,,oba kazjam zaka na lambum,,this much backward and dirty you people are.
        Honestly pashtun do,nt even drink from the same glass as you people drink.
        The parsiwans call you paki and dumdar and the paki call you kabalyan .
        So who you are cavemen?
        Pashtuns are 1000 year ahead of you kabalyan.
        Everyday you cross to our cities and land for treatment etc.
        You do,nt even have hospital ,unis etc.
        Many kabalyan are begging pashtuns to get admission in peshwar universities to study.
        If we stop helping you you will all end up in slums.



        Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

        pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
        be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
        gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
        be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
        hamza baba
        پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
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        • #5
          Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
          yes,my english is not that good.
          But sell out kabaliya the pashtuns in pakistan are highly educated and serving on the top jobs.
          The top medical docters,engineers etc are pashtuns.
          In the atomic energy some of the most inteligent one are pashtuns you dumped kabuli khar.
          While you on the others side called ,,,dumdar and spagan by tajiks.
          Many of your fellow maajars in pashtunkhwa do,nt take shower for years.
          One of them said ,,,,oba kazjam zaka na lambum,,this much backward and dirty you people are.
          Honestly pashtun do,nt even drink from the same glass as you people drink.
          The parsiwans call you paki and dumdar and the paki call you kabalyan .
          So who you are cavemen?
          Pashtuns are 1000 year ahead of you kabalyan.
          Everyday you cross to our cities and land for treatment etc.
          You do,nt even have hospital ,unis etc.
          Many kabalyan are begging pashtuns to get admission in peshwar universities to study.
          If we stop helping you you will all end up in slums.
          Your English isn't bad, you're just a brain dead person...or you just got a mental disorder.
          Pakistani ''top education'' matches that of an elementary school education. Your most ''top educated'' Pakistani intelligent equals that of a 10 year old. No wonder any province that is dominated by Pathans have become the poorest province in Pakistan. Pashtunkhwa second poorest province in Pakistan. You even went so far and dragged Baluchistan with you as-well.

          Pathans are displayed around Pakistan and even India, as stupid, foolish, illiterate people. Punjabis even call you homo and you openly display your bachabazi culture, while making your woman dance like ****s for old men. (If you don't believe me, then a prove is just a search away)

          Pathans like you think that Kabuli is an insult, no wonder everyone consider you just plain stupid. If you look at any statistic/facts, you will see that Kabul is one of the fastest growing city in the world. Kabul have been the capital of many Pashtun empires. Even thinking about Kabuli as insult, already display your mental disordered stupidity.
          Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

          People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

          ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
          Ronald Reagan

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

          Pashto dictionary:
          http://thepashto.com/index.php

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DSM0305 View Post
            Your English isn't bad, you're just a brain dead person...or you just got a mental disorder.
            Pakistani ''top education'' matches that of an elementary school education. Your most ''top educated'' Pakistani intelligent equals that of a 10 year old. No wonder any province that is dominated by Pathans have become the poorest province in Pakistan. Pashtunkhwa second poorest province in Pakistan. You even went so far and dragged Baluchistan with you as-well.

            Pathans are displayed around Pakistan and even India, as stupid, foolish, illiterate people. Punjabis even call you homo and you openly display your bachabazi culture, while making your woman dance like ****s for old men. (If you don't believe me, then a prove is just a search away)

            Pathans like you think that Kabuli is an insult, no wonder everyone consider you just plain stupid. If you look at any statistic/facts, you will see that Kabul is one of the fastest growing city in the world. Kabul have been the capital of many Pashtun empires. Even thinking about Kabuli as insult, already display your mental disordered stupidity.
            untill 1992 you even did,nt know who you are?
            kabul is a city of slums .
            One hundered year behind of pashtun cities of pashtunkhwa.
            In our pashtu kabalay mean dump and dirty.
            You are not pashtun anymore and no one accept you.
            We have name pashtunkhwa while you are baned to say this name in your country.
            Naturaly pashtunkhwa is the richest province in the whole region dumdar kabliya.
            Half of baluchistan is pashtun you dumped persainised .
            You do,nt even know your history.
            Most kabalyan are too dump and uneducated kabaryaans.
            They collect rubbish and lives in slums.
            At least we teach you something.
            You compare your life style with uzbiks and tajiks and tell us honestly whose are backward and poor.
            They treat you like slaves and call you dumdar.
            They baned you from speaking your language.
            At least in pekhwar kabalyaans are living free life and enjoy more rights.
            I have asked these questions from many maajars in pashtunkhwa and they feel more home in pashtunkhwa then kabalistan aka ghulistan.
            Many of them got paki id card and feel more secure and safe here.
            At least dostum and ata are not here mean no rape of kabuli women.
            Pashtunwali and gerat wich a dumped kabalay would never know.
            They brainwashed you.



            Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

            pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
            be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
            gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
            be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
            hamza baba
            پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
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            • #7
              Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
              untill 1992 you even did,nt know who you are?
              kabul is a city of slums .
              One hundered year behind of pashtun cities of pashtunkhwa.
              In our pashtu kabalay mean dump and dirty.
              You are not pashtun anymore and no one accept you.
              We have name pashtunkhwa while you are baned to say this name in your country.
              Naturaly pashtunkhwa is the richest province in the whole region dumdar kabliya.
              Half of baluchistan is pashtun you dumped persainised .
              You do,nt even know your history.
              Most kabalyan are too dump and uneducated kabaryaans.
              They collect rubbish and lives in slums.
              At least we teach you something.
              You compare your life style with uzbiks and tajiks and tell us honestly whose are backward and poor.
              They treat you like slaves and call you dumdar.
              They baned you from speaking your language.
              At least in pekhwar kabalyaans are living free life and enjoy more rights.
              I have asked these questions from many maajars in pashtunkhwa and they feel more home in pashtunkhwa then kabalistan aka ghulistan.
              Many of them got paki id card and feel more secure and safe here.
              At least dostum and ata are not here mean no rape of kabuli women.
              Pashtunwali and gerat wich a dumped kabalay would never know.
              They brainwashed you.
              I didn't even understand a single word you said...

              Please for the love of god take an education. You cant even write Pashto, every Pashto word you said is spelled wrong.

              I will stop this one sided discussion, since it feels like talking to a wall. You cant write English nor Pashto.
              Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

              People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

              ''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
              Ronald Reagan

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cmZyOrUA0

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC9sz0nPePI

              Pashto dictionary:
              http://thepashto.com/index.php

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              • #8
                I doubt America wants to merge Pakistan and Afghanistan together, a few years ago a map made by the CIA of a disintegrated Pakistan surfaced, and the CIA wants Baluchistan to secede from Pakistan, that's why they let India support the rebels through consulates in Afghanistan.

                US senator Dana Rohrbacher proposed a bill to support the secession of Baluchistan from Pakistan, the CIA wants to create an independent Kurdistan and Baluchistan because it fulfills there objectives for a New World Order.

                Corporate America doesn't need to merge Pakistan with Afghanistan, so that they exploit the resources in Afghanistan and transport them through Pakistan, all they need is to break off Baluchistan and merge it with Afghanistan, the CIA wants Afghanistan to be under the rule of Kalat NOT Islamabad.
                "If you're not ready to die for it, put the word 'freedom' out of your vocabulary." -Malcolm X

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dsm0305 View Post
                  i didn't even understand a single word you said...

                  Please for the love of god take an education. You cant even write pashto, every pashto word you said is spelled wrong.

                  I will stop this one sided discussion, since it feels like talking to a wall. You cant write english nor pashto.
                  ته په په پَښتو څه کوي په پاړسوغږيږه ورځ به دِ ښه شی.په خپله ژبه شرميږي او د ارانيانو په ژبه فَخر کوي بيا ځان افغان څنګ بولي ؟
                  ځواب مه راکَوه ستا دَ خبرو سر پَښي نه وې چه رښتيا نشي اوريدي نو دروغ مه وايه.



                  Support pashto language and greater pukhtoonkhwa.

                  pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
                  be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
                  gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
                  be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
                  hamza baba
                  پَښتو کښې اُولېکئ
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                  • #10
                    Gadoonwal then why your communist leader Najibullah or Mr. Ashraf Ghani need the two most anti-human violaters as his vice-presidents if you insult all warlords? Why don´t you insult Najibullah and Ashraf Ghani as well? You guy you are just sick. That´s all. You are a Pakistani. You don´t have any clue about Afghanistan as many times I have repeated. Do you know that Najibullah sent Dostum and his militias to Pashtun regions where they killed us, raped our mothers, kidnapped our young sisters and sold them to Uzbekistan?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bost Bastan News View Post
                      Gadoonwal then why your communist leader Najibullah or Mr. Ashraf Ghani need the two most anti-human violaters as his vice-presidents if you insult all warlords? Why don´t you insult Najibullah and Ashraf Ghani as well? You guy you are just sick. That´s all. You are a Pakistani. You don´t have any clue about Afghanistan as many times I have repeated. Do you know that Najibullah sent Dostum and his militias to Pashtun regions where they killed us, raped our mothers, kidnapped our young sisters and sold them to Uzbekistan?
                      Dostum and his strong militia kept Najibullah´s regime alive after russian withdrawal. Once he quit his support his regime collapsed.

                      I can not understand why some nationalist pashtun support some khaeens who killed thousand of pashtuns and non pashtuns.. just because they were pashtuns. Does not make sense.

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