Retired Pashtun general arrested for fueling ethnic tension.

[gadoonwal]

i dont care i am still pro pashtun
if you say amir abdur rahman khan sold you guys than i ask look the durrand agreement was made with the british it endet in 1993 why are you still not independend?why did you not fightet the british invaders in the time where claim that abdur rahman khan sold you? was you guys waiting for another wazir akbar khan that defeated the sikhs brits indians and pro british pathan?no tready was ever made with pakistan they took you and has you.
but i am too tired for this special conversion i had alot of fun specialy with randolph that tried to sell me his warlords as something better than this great general. its great that there are patriotic pashtuns outthere ,loy pakhtun unity is important i still have big love for the paki pashtuns afghan parsiwans that want loy afghanistan and pashtun unity and calling themselfs afghans more than for any tajik hazara nothernalliance parsiwan napaki fashist that works with the usa like with the soviets and british empire using these empires against the interest of afghanistan and afghans.

first of all the agreement was made between the govt of afghanistan and britishes right.
That ended up in 1993,right.
So which country or govt should ask for its part?
afghanistan
But they did,nt why?
How come afghanistan recognize pakistan as a sate then?
Brother ,remember durandline is no longer an issue from the afghan govt side.
It is some pashtun nationalist raise this issue after time to time.
The pashtunistan issue is another card played by afghan govt during the time of zahir khan etc and was fully supported by parsiwans.
The govt of afghanistan supported the independent pashtunistan wa baluchistan,what you think of that?
It was to creat a buffer zone to stop pakistan,s influence and interfarence in afghanistan and even they fail again on that one.

The pashtun nationalist from the east then ask for the unity of lar o bar pashtun into one greater pashtunistan/afghan.
Ajmal khatak was put into jail for decades.Many pashtun gone underground.Wali khan served jail and was called ghadaar/disloyal by pakistanis.
Untill this day the pashtuns are not been trusted by many in the govt.
On one side parsiwans are scared of pashtun unity and on the other side punjabis defending their interests.
It is not an easy situation.
Pakistan successfully played its islamic card in pashtunkhwa.
The pashtuns boycotted the paki refrendum in 1946 .
The britishes put to boxes one for pakistan or islam another for india.
Now tell me what will you do?
The govt of afghanistan demanded that pashtun-baluch should be given the right to freedom of their choice.In 1947 afghanistan in the start refuse to recognise pakistan but just few months later they did recognise pakistan.
The pakistani media and establishment spread this lahori islamic idealogy accross the border to afghanistan.
Did you know why dawood khan backed up from durandline?
He was convince by saudi prince of that time not to go for war with muslim pakistan.
It is fact and i challenge anyone to come and prove it wrong.
I have personally asked these question from the afghan leaders of that time.
I do,nt always follow net and other self created sources.

Up on the arrivail of pdpa govt into afghanistan a new hope arise.
The USSR and afghan govt created groups and nationalist wings of pashtun and baluch accross the border.Many student went to to russia for study from pashtunkhwa and they were all good muslims not communists.
I remember as a young child the slogans of lar o bar yaw afghan ghwaro accross pashtunkhwa.Khan abdul wali khan visited every area along with his great father bacha khan on wheel chair to awak pashtuns but the sold out nasholata mulyaans labeld him kafir and communists.
It is politics.You have to use someone to reach your goal.
Pakistan on the other side invited all so called mujadeen to fight afghan govt.
Wali khan address a large crowed of afghans in peshwar not to fall into the hands of so called mujaadeen and defend the afghan agenda.
He was telling afghans this is not jehad but another war on afghan soil between the world power.He was 102% corect.
Later najeebullah khan ex head of khad tookover from karmal and demanded the russains to leave afghanistan and they did.
Najeebullah khan ahmadzai was patriotic afghan,nationalist pashtun and far better muslim then those sold out isi mullas or mujadeen.
Najeeb invited all afghan groups to come and go for an election and let the afghan decide who to rule.
Pakistani backed mujadeen like rabani,masood,gulbudin,khalis,muhamadi,muajadadi etc refused and pakistan once again use these sold out so called afghhan mujadeen against its own country.
I remember zai ul haque once said mujadeen are fighting for pakistan not afghanistan and he was right.
After the fall of najeeb with hands of paki mujadeens or mujaheedins.
I remember nawaz sharif paki pm of the time said, after the fall of najeeb,,,,,
today is great day for pakistan.We have destroyed the strong army of afghanistan and i have no doubt to say the creation of our fifth province,,,,,,,,


It was sad and dark day for pashtun and afghanistan.
Tajik tookover and gulo was kicked out late by masood .
Kabul become hell .
The ethnic violence start and afghanistan later become paradise for paki and arab terrorists.

I remember once mula nabi muhammadi said afghan climate is not good for the health and i like to live in islam abad.
Pakistan offered these jahilaans houese,money and support.
They sold their loyality to punjabis.

Najeeb was strong man and the last leader who pushed for the lar o bar unity.
After that pashtun in pakistan pushed for one greater province of pashtun with provincail autonomy and rights.
Now afghanistan is country landlock with many groups operate from outside.

Recently hamid gul freind of mujadeen said we will form govt in afghanistan.By we mean talibs and talibs are created by him.

[Khilji]

first of all the agreement was made between the govt of afghanistan and britishes right.
That ended up in 1993,right.
So which country or govt should ask for its part?
afghanistan
But they did,nt why?
How come afghanistan recognize pakistan as a sate then?
Brother ,remember durandline is no longer an issue from the afghan govt side.
It is some pashtun nationalist raise this issue after time to time.
The pashtunistan issue is another card played by afghan govt during the time of zahir khan etc and was fully supported by parsiwans.
The govt of afghanistan supported the independent pashtunistan wa baluchistan,what you think of that?
It was to creat a buffer zone to stop pakistan,s influence and interfarence in afghanistan and even they fail again on that one.

The pashtun nationalist from the east then ask for the unity of lar o bar pashtun into one greater pashtunistan/afghan.
Ajmal khatak was put into jail for decades.Many pashtun gone underground.Wali khan served jail and was called ghadaar/disloyal by pakistanis.
Untill this day the pashtuns are not been trusted by many in the govt.
On one side parsiwans are scared of pashtun unity and on the other side punjabis defending their interests.
It is not an easy situation.
Pakistan successfully played its islamic card in pashtunkhwa.
The pashtuns boycotted the paki refrendum in 1946 .
The britishes put to boxes one for pakistan or islam another for india.
Now tell me what will you do?
The govt of afghanistan demanded that pashtun-baluch should be given the right to freedom of their choice.In 1947 afghanistan in the start refuse to recognise pakistan but just few months later they did recognise pakistan.
The pakistani media and establishment spread this lahori islamic idealogy accross the border to afghanistan.
Did you know why dawood khan backed up from durandline?
He was convince by saudi prince of that time not to go for war with muslim pakistan.
It is fact and i challenge anyone to come and prove it wrong.
I have personally asked these question from the afghan leaders of that time.
I do,nt always follow net and other self created sources.

Up on the arrivail of pdpa govt into afghanistan a new hope arise.
The USSR and afghan govt created groups and nationalist wings of pashtun and baluch accross the border.Many student went to to russia for study from pashtunkhwa and they were all good muslims not communists.
I remember as a young child the slogans of lar o bar yaw afghan ghwaro accross pashtunkhwa.Khan abdul wali khan visited every area along with his great father bacha khan on wheel chair to awak pashtuns but the sold out nasholata mulyaans labeld him kafir and communists.
It is politics.You have to use someone to reach your goal.
Pakistan on the other side invited all so called mujadeen to fight afghan govt.
Wali khan address a large crowed of afghans in peshwar not to fall into the hands of so called mujaadeen and defend the afghan agenda.
He was telling afghans this is not jehad but another war on afghan soil between the world power.He was 102% corect.
Later najeebullah khan ex head of khad tookover from karmal and demanded the russains to leave afghanistan and they did.
Najeebullah khan ahmadzai was patriotic afghan,nationalist pashtun and far better muslim then those sold out isi mullas or mujadeen.
Najeeb invited all afghan groups to come and go for an election and let the afghan decide who to rule.
Pakistani backed mujadeen like rabani,masood,gulbudin,khalis,muhamadi,muajadadi etc refused and pakistan once again use these sold out so called afghhan mujadeen against its own country.
I remember zai ul haque once said mujadeen are fighting for pakistan not afghanistan and he was right.
After the fall of najeeb with hands of paki mujadeens or mujaheedins.
I remember nawaz sharif paki pm of the time said, after the fall of najeeb,,,,,
today is great day for pakistan.We have destroyed the strong army of afghanistan and i have no doubt to say the creation of our fifth province,,,,,,,,


It was sad and dark day for pashtun and afghanistan.
Tajik tookover and gulo was kicked out late by masood .
Kabul become hell .
The ethnic violence start and afghanistan later become paradise for paki and arab terrorists.

I remember once mula nabi muhammadi said afghan climate is not good for the health and i like to live in islam abad.
Pakistan offered these jahilaans houese,money and support.
They sold their loyality to punjabis.

Najeeb was strong man and the last leader who pushed for the lar o bar unity.
After that pashtun in pakistan pushed for one greater province of pashtun with provincail autonomy and rights.
Now afghanistan is country landlock with many groups operate from outside.

Recently hamid gul freind of mujadeen said we will form govt in afghanistan.By we mean talibs and talibs are created by him.

pakistan is very afraid of this durrandline question they asked many afghan goverments in diffrent time periods for this problem even the taliban and they gave them the answer if afghanistan has his goverment back you have to speak with them.karzai spoke like a coward that he is,durrandline is in this time for afghans actually not that important because they have bigger problems.thats why you can not see that much patriotic pashtunistan partys in afghanistan like in pakhtunkhwa etc.

[Al-Afghani]

Gadoonwal, do you know that when the great Daud Khan let the army cross the border to recapture it, they were kicked out by Pashtun tribal militias? Not even the Panjabi army was involved.

You can still see Paki Pashtuns boasting about this event on defence websites.

[Khostai]

The whole 35 years of war and Porkistan helping the insurgnet is mostly due to that Afghanistan wanted there land back, but this porky worshiping pig gadoonwal still acts like a littel bitch, he wanted to be saved like a princes lol. We tried but you yourself want to stick with punjabies and like there ghulami, and now you even want us also to become the ghulam of Punjab, but we said no thank you, if you can't accept that, you must not cry about our leader selling you as a slave to the brits. And than claim how Pashtuns in Porkinstan are so many and have perserved Pashtun culture better.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Being straight forward is not stupid nor backwards. There is no pride in backstabbing others. Honesty is the best policy. That genetics stuff you are talking about sounds like Hitler.

Well, thoe situation in Pashtunistan doesn't work like that any more, we most adapt or our words doesn't mean anything to our uneducated people and mostly brainwashed. I speak always with good attentions (no double standard), truth, facts, and the rightfulness from my heart, meaning only freedom and justice.

You sound like you are scared of some science and truth. Every true Pashtun wants to know their true identity through their "bloodline" and defend themselves. This is just a security for our Pashtun race, it is nothing to do with others. Peace through knowledge and truth is my motive.

[khushal]

Well, thoe situation in Pashtunistan doesn't work like that any more, we most adapt or our words doesn't mean anything to our uneducated people and mostly brainwashed. I speak always with good attentions (no double standard), truth, facts, and the rightfulness from my heart, meaning only freedom and justice.

You sound like you are scared of some science and truth. Every true Pashtun wants to know their true identity through their "bloodline" and defend themselves. This is just a security for our Pashtun race, it is nothing to do with others. Peace through knowledge and truth is my motive.

first you said that backstabbing and manipulation is the better way, then you are talking about truth and justice. hahahhahahahahahahahahahah

[khushal]

if we are paki then you kabalay.
Change the name of this forum to some farsiwan forum we will leave without saying a word.
you are not allowed to say your name in your country and here you give ,,,paighor,,,to us.
you adurahman fill his pocket of pounds from brits.
karzai from US
mullas from pakis.
your gerat is wipe out from the history books kabaliya.

The definition of paki is someone that believes he can be bought and sold like cattle. This is the hall mark of pakis since its creation. They will bend over for the highest bidder.

[khushal]

yes,punab was stea;ling your money while your sold out leadership of mullas were watching.
for the last 35 years you eat and **** in our land and we did,nt steal your aid kabuli ghola.
your entire leadership is serving punjabi master like dogs.
karzai own house in islam abad.
we at least never run from our land like you did.
i never said pakistan is saving you.
pashtuns of the east share their bread with you beneky .
Your pashtun papulation already moving fast to pashtunkhwa why?
why you left your land to tajiks?
pakistan supporting talibs not punjsheris?
punjsheris are backed by west,iran and india.



On the oter side najeebullah was the last afghan leader fought for the last time for his country.After his death pakistanis and iranian tookover afghanistan.

Face the truth drogzana/drogjana.


Ahmad shah masood is your new baba e milat until 2014.
Hamid gul will be your new baba e millat after 2014.


The whole world is laughing it you.

A pashtun general was arested to say pashtunistan and here you people teach us gerat and pashtunyat ahahaha.
Haroon bacha sung the song azad pashtunistan many time in peshawar in the presence of paki officails but no one touched him.

So you love Najibullah. Well that's the guy that caused the afghans to refuge to Pakistan, so Pakistan can steal international Aid from them. You love the guy that afghans were running away from and the guy who disarmed Pashtun generals and armed Dostom who then killed pashtuns.

You truly are a hypocrite.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Wow, HOLD UP everybody. This thread is out of control. People are stating minor things in the middle of process/history without knowing the beginning. Stop write with your emotions for 1 second, do it with your silent and calm mind instead.

Dear brothers/sisters. Our region our Pashtunistan has never being 100 % pure of ethnic Pashtuns. But we have always been majority (80-90 %) in whole region in the past of Ariana times and today, because majority of Ariana spoke Pashto. In fact many in Achaemenid empire "Persians" did speak Pashto because of the Avesta book and our monolithic religion that became origin of all monolithic religions today.

The first invasion our region had was from the Great Bacha baz alexander, who invaded and took over Achaemenid empire, he burned down their whole empire, and rape many women, 80 % knowledge from this time and our "Persians" cousins time is no more, only Greek/western stated knowledge and the Avestan is left.

http://www.salsajournal.de/images/oriensariana.jpg

This is their map and we can see, the different dynasty lines, and we can see even the majority of people who rule with provinces.

When he came to our region he tried to do the same and didn't success so much. But some of his filthy people managed to settle down and took over some of our region in Balkh "bactrian", and the "study" shows first time Pashtuns had some new race/people lived on their lands and region. Yet we respect that because of Pashtunwali.

But same years later we and our "Parthian" cousins ousted these Bacha baz rulers of hellenise and we had back our whole region back again. Yet many dynasty Empires of Sassanids etc where and concluded us in their maps, it doesn't mean they rule over Pashtuns, they tried, but never could achieved rule over us, we always rule over ourself. We had trade, alliances with our cousins in the west, north, south.

Being the heart of the silk road, our Pashtun race and our great ancestors lived their life happy and very peacefully with THE REST OF THE WORLD who didn't touched us. Our tribes has always fought, this is nothing new. But yet we flourished like never before, 1000 years in peace after the great bacha baz invaded our region, and for 850 years our cousins manage defend their borders against savage Romans, and we defended our borders against our cousins. But our whole region was invaded again by foreigners who this time was even far more greater evil than the Great bacha baz.

These evil were the human heart eating barbarian cannibals desert arabs. The arabs invaded and CRUSHED our cousins who were weaken by the almost millennium long wars against the savage romans. It took just few years before again a catastrophic invasion came to Pashtun doorstep.

We lost few battles and won many against the desert arabs. They burned our university's and enslaved, killed, rape so many of our brothers/sisters, that no Pashtun should never forget.

This was a huge loss and change in whole pashtun region. Thanks to god, we did not fall for their biological warfare than our cousins did. Many western Iranian races become completed half breeds and extinct. A mass wave of those pure noble rich "Persians" and those who could flew the arabic horde invasions came and lived in our region for 400 years before their history emerged with Pashtuns. Who knows, these can be the second new ethnicity after nooristanis in Pashtun lands.

Pashtuns never lost completely to Arabs, they did everything, they could never manage to break Pashtuns in our region. It was not before the so called "Jew" descendant Qais Adbur Rashid started a civil war from the inside our region that arabs could break our borders. I know NO PASHTUN CAN BE A JEW/HEBREW. But that Qais literately worked as jew, because of him and his tribe we lost our region to the arab domination for some time.

The only one thing that hold many Pashtuns in line was their Pashtunwali, think of how our ancestor were pure geniuses that made a law that is in the spinal cord of the Pashtun race, nobody can take that out without killing the whole Pashtun race. I feeling such PRIDE right now that I want to shed some tears.

The arabs took over many of our relatives lands and extinct many of our "persians" cousins tribes etc. The whole region of today's Iraq that was only lived by our cousins, arabs took over it by moving around 250 000 desert people in just 1-2 year. That is how you take over a whole region till modern times, like how Americas, Australia etc were taken over by Anglo Saxons etc.

It took many years to secure and get rid some of the arab domination from our region. But 600 years after the second huge parasite invasion, our region and where shock by even more evilness savages than the arabs.

Not only our but the whole Asia continent where beded with chaos when the mongol hordes waved in and COMPLETE DESTROYED EVERYTHING. From the Far east China, to Central Asia Iranian races, to west Europe. These barbarians super weapon was their fast moving biological warfare. They rape so many races that that all these new people evolved from them. Hazaras, Uzbeks, Kazakhstanis, Turkmenistanis, etc etc whole our northern region where flood by these poor new half breeds. And that is your answer my brother and sisters to today's problems. Thank god only we and some few of our huge noble family lines has survived these invading armies.

Remember, this was just a small brief summary of the history and answers behind the new ethnicities. I am not professor nor do I have the time to go in details of everything.

[Khilji]

So you love Najibullah. Well that's the guy that caused the afghans to refuge to Pakistan, so Pakistan can steal international Aid from them. You love the guy that afghans were running away from and the guy who disarmed Pashtun generals and armed Dostom who then killed pashtuns.

You truly are a hypocrite.

lets say the truth thats what you said on this thread when you tried to sell me the nothern parts of afghanistan as nativ tajikland without any proof and you even said the pashtuns are in the nothern parts because of annexion because someone settled them there yara and you is better than a pakistani or this fashist parsiwans that claiming the same stuff in their books etc? and i tell you the refugees to pakistan was of course because of the warlords that called themself mujaheedin in afghanistan raped and killed woman and children and shot their rockets on afghan citys if it was burhanuddin rabbani or ahmad shah massud or hekmatyar or abdul mazari or shere arab what ever the fack their was they all deserveed to die and dostum is one of them of course.
but here you have a video from an afghan taliban or ex taliban about najibullah and his death.

Dr. Najibullah was martyred by Pakistan - An Ex-Governor of Taliban - YouTube

[Loy Afghanistan]

first you said that backstabbing and manipulation is the better way, then you are talking about truth and justice. hahahhahahahahahahahahahah

Truth and justice for my people, yes! What is wrong with that? You think I give a damn about the rest of the people on this planet, when my people suffer?

You laugh because of lack of understanding English or Because of the lack of me writing unclear and my mistakes.

[khushal]

Truth and justice for my people, yes! What is wrong with that? You think I give a damn about the rest of the people on this planet, when my people suffer?

You laugh because of lack of understanding English or Because of the lack of me writing unclear and my mistakes.

You talk about pashtunwali but you lack understanding. pashtunwali discourages backstabbing and manipulation. Pashtunwali would label you as baighyrat for such behavior. It promotes straightforwardness and honesty.

[khushal]

lets say the truth thats what you said on this thread when you tried to sell me the nothern parts of afghanistan as nativ tajikland without any proof and you even said the pashtuns are in the nothern parts because of annexion because someone settled them there yara and you is better than a pakistani or this fashist parsiwans that claiming the same stuff in their books etc? and i tell you the refugees to pakistan was of course because of the warlords that called themself mujaheedin in afghanistan raped and killed woman and children and shot their rockets on afghan citys if it was burhanuddin rabbani or ahmad shah massud or hekmatyar or abdul mazari or shere arab what ever the fack their was they all deserveed to die and dostum is one of them of course.
but here you have a video from an afghan taliban or ex taliban about najibullah and his death.

Dr. Najibullah was martyred by Pakistan - An Ex-Governor of Taliban - YouTube

This guy took money from the invaders to leave the Taliban. His claims are mute. The fact is Omar and his Shura publically ordered it. But it does not even matter who killed him. The fact is he was part of a process that killed more than a million afghans, made half the afghan population refugees in neighboring countries and created the atmosphere that propelled fascists from all ethnicities. He sided with Soviet forces that were killing and raping the afghan people.

If Najib was so loved by the afghan people, why was he hiding in a foreign embassy, why didn't the afghan people protect him. At least Masood and Hekmatyar were protected by their people.

[Khilji]

This guy took money from the invaders to leave the Taliban. His claims are mute. The fact is Omar and his Shura publically ordered it. But it does not even matter who killed him. The fact is he was part of a process that killed more than a million afghans, made half the afghan population refugees in neighboring countries and created the atmosphere that propelled fascists from all ethnicities. He sided with Soviet forces that were killing and raping the afghan people.

If Najib was so loved by the afghan people, why was he hiding in a foreign embassy, why didn't the afghan people protect him.

what ever he left or took, this is his viewa about najib. i dont think the usa paid him for this views.
"the fact is omar shura ordered it"? what has this taliban said in the video and what is you saying?
you still glorefying like this randolph this facked up mujaheedin warlords from the 80's and blaming najibullah for 1 million dead why? did he started the civilwar? the desctrution of the afghan citys for power?
are you totaly crazy? like your claim that the nothern parts of afghanistan is nativ tajik land.
something wrong in you yara sry to say what is you, jaji? you sound more like a hazara-man afghan nestem magar afghanistani astem.......

[khushal]

what ever he left or took, this is his viewa about najib. i dont think the usa paid him for this views.
"the fact is omar shura ordered it"? what has this taliban said in the video and what is you saying?
you still glorefying like this randolph this facked up mujaheedin warlords from the 80's and blaming najibullah for 1 million dead why? did he started the civilwar? the desctrution of the afghan citys for power?
are you totaly crazy? like your claim that the nothern parts of afghanistan is nativ tajik land.
something wrong in you yara sry to say what is you, jaji? you sound more like a hazara-man afghan nestem magar afghanistani astem.......

you cant hate someone because of their ethic makeup. you are basically practicing what you are condemning at the same time. That is hypocrisy.

I will ask you this question. Per Pashtunwali, was Najib a baighyrat?