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  • #16
    ^^Tajiks had refuged from the Soviet invasion of central Asia but that's a minority. The north always had Tajiks in it. There were no large Pashtun population in the north until the Pashtun migration to Kunduz back during abdur rahman's time. We should be honest.

    People like this general are doing a disservice to the people of the region. He should be talking about unity rather than divisive talk. But I know he is a reaction to the facists of Uzbeks, hazaras and tajiks.
    Last edited by khushal; 12-13-2013, 04:57 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Khilji View Post
      one theorie of the tajiks is the came with the first wave of the mongol invasion as refugees to afghanistan was running up to china from the mongols.the second wave of tajik imigrants came to afghanistan with the soviet invasion.ahmad shah massouds grandfather came from tajikistan as imigrant to afghanistan was running from the soviets.you can even not say who was first in afghanistan hazara or tajik.

      we need more patriotic pashtuns in afghanistan like this general
      Agreed but not to be stupid and expose him self, now he is in jail. I know we true Pashtuns are like Angels. We can't lie. But politics is a huge game. Think of chess. Don't let other know your moves. Happy faces, until we are strong enough to hold some of these foreign parasites power out from our motherland. Time will come that we can force laws and study truly genetics about who is who, then we should decide.
      To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
        Agreed but not to be stupid and expose him self, now he is in jail. I know we true Pashtuns are like Angels. We can't lie. But politics is a huge game. Think of chess. Don't let other know your moves. Happy faces, until we are strong enough to hold some of these foreign parasites power out from our motherland. Time will come that we can force laws and study truly genetics about who is who, then we should decide.
        Being straight forward is not stupid nor backwards. There is no pride in backstabbing others. Honesty is the best policy. That genetics stuff you are talking about sounds like Hitler.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Loy Afghanistan View Post
          Agreed but not to be stupid and expose him self, now he is in jail. I know we true Pashtuns are like Angels. We can't lie. But politics is a huge game. Think of chess. Don't let other know your moves. Happy faces, until we are strong enough to hold some of these foreign parasites power out from our motherland. Time will come that we can force laws and study truly genetics about who is who, then we should decide.
          he is in jail? who said that?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by khushal View Post
            It is true that the vast majority of Uzbeks and the Hazaras are not indigenous but now they are of the land. The Tajiks on the other hand are indigenous and their territory was annexed to Afghanistan, he has no right to tell the Tajiks to go back to their address, that is their address.

            The problem is that the minorities in the country are ruling the majority by the gun. Everyone would be OK with it if they ruled through the ballot or meritocracy and not by the gun. This is why the T boys aka Panjabi slaves(lol) are trying to balance their guns with their own guns. This is why Pashtuns in Afghanistan outside of Kabul know that their interests lie with the T boys.
            Tajiks are not native to Afghanistan dude. Uzbeks on the other hand are native to jowzgan province.
            "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

            -Old Pashtun proverb




            "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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            • #21
              Originally posted by khushal View Post
              ^^Tajiks had refuged from the Soviet invasion of central Asia but that's a minority. The north always had Tajiks in it. There were no large Pashtun population in the north until the Pashtun migration to Kunduz back during abdur rahman's time. We should be honest.

              People like this general are doing a disservice to the people of the region. He should be talking about unity rather than divisive talk.
              this is not true you must be pakistani pashtun talking this way but thats ok you cant know it.pashtuns in this region living there for a long time and longer than 200 years and not just ghilzai pashtuns like some tajiks writing in their fake books and claiming that rahman khan had settled so much pashtuns to the north because of their rebbelic nature lol pashtuns in this nothern region had fought the invader ibrahim beg from uzbekistan out and safed the afghan border in this region. it was actually mohammad gul khan momand who wanted more pashtuns in nothern afghanistan because nobody was living there the land was free and someone should work there live there.there are large parts from kunduz to badaghshan mazar etc where pashtuns living in this area living also hazaras a sunni muslim minority.my english is to bad, but there is a good afghan book about this topic if i find the name i will send it to you in this book is afghanistan divived into lower and upper pakhtunkhwa

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              • #22
                Originally posted by khushal View Post
                ^^Tajiks had refuged from the Soviet invasion of central Asia but that's a minority. The north always had Tajiks in it. There were no large Pashtun population in the north until the Pashtun migration to Kunduz back during abdur rahman's time. We should be honest.

                People like this general are doing a disservice to the people of the region. He should be talking about unity rather than divisive talk. But I know he is a reaction to the facists of Uzbeks, hazaras and tajiks.
                I think we need to back farther into history. Pashtun presence in the north starts with the Aryan's who were agriculturists looking for farming land like majority of Pashtuns today in the north are. Pashto is descended from Bactrian and Bactrian comes from balkh. Are you going to say Pashto originally belongs to the Tajiks? Anyways Tajiks are nothing but descendeds of the Samanids who came across the Amu Darya.
                "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                -Old Pashtun proverb




                "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                  Tajiks are not native to Afghanistan dude. Uzbeks on the other hand are native to jowzgan province.
                  So who were the original inhabitants of places like parwan, badaghshan, or panjshir?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Khilji View Post
                    this is not true you must be pakistani pashtun talking this way but thats ok you cant know it.pashtuns in this region living there for a long time and longer than 200 years and not just ghilzai pashtuns like some tajiks writing in their fake books and claiming that rahman khan had settled so much pashtuns to the north because of their rebbelic nature lol pashtuns in this nothern region had fought the invader ibrahim beg from uzbekistan out and safed the afghan border in this region. it was actually mohammad gul khan momand who wanted more pashtuns in nothern afghanistan because nobody was living there the land was free and someone should work there live there.there are large parts from kunduz to badaghshan mazar etc where pashtuns living in this area living also hazaras a sunni muslim minority.my english is to bad, but there is a good afghan book about this topic if i find the name i will send it to you in this book is afghanistan divived into lower and upper pakhtunkhwa
                    you didn't retort anything I said. you basically said the same thing I did that Pashtuns had migrated to the north.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by khushal View Post
                      So who were the original inhabitants of places like parwan, badaghshan, or panjshir?
                      Parwan is in the east and is a majority Pashtun province and be aware panjsher also used to be part of parwan province until Karzai split it into a separate province. Although I agree with you that badakshan was never occupied by Pashtuns until recently. The people there are pamiris and are completely different from Pashtuns.
                      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                      -Old Pashtun proverb




                      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by khushal View Post
                        you didn't retort anything I said. you basically said the same thing I did that Pashtuns had migrated to the north.
                        oh my english was maybe to bad like i said pashtuns living there longer than 200 years so longer than rahman khan and gul momand your settler kings :D but pashtuns was already there alone in panjsher are somany pashtuns that living there over 200 years long time before panjsher even became the province right.if i find the book i will send it to you.sry for the bad englisi
                        Last edited by Khilji; 12-13-2013, 05:37 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                          I think we need to back farther into history. Pashtun presence in the north starts with the Aryan's who were agriculturists looking for farming land like majority of Pashtuns today in the north are. Pashto is descended from Bactrian and Bactrian comes from balkh. Are you going to say Pashto originally belongs to the Tajiks? Anyways Tajiks are nothing but descendeds of the Samanids who came across the Amu Darya.
                          Those are just theories and they don't apply to modern times, Kushan. The people of the region have to work together. Squabbling accomplishes nothing.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                            Parwan is in the east and is a majority Pashtun province and be aware panjsher also used to be part of parwan province until Karzai split it into a separate province. Although I agree with you that badakshan was never occupied by Pashtuns until recently. The people there are pamiris and are completely different from Pashtuns.
                            are you sure parwan is majority Pashtun?
                            What about tokhar, faryab, sar I pol?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by khushal View Post
                              are you sure parwan is majority Pashtun?
                              What about tokhar, faryab, sar I pol?
                              takhar taloqan mazar sarepol balkh full with pashtuns if the fashistic nothernalliance warlords had not killed them they actually should still live there.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by khushal View Post
                                are you sure parwan is majority Pashtun?
                                What about tokhar, faryab, sar I pol?
                                All these places are multi-ethnic wrora, the north is in general expect for kunduz.
                                "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                                -Old Pashtun proverb




                                "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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