demonstrations in ukraine

[HalloIsBack]

what do you think under which influence will ukraine be?

1. under usa
2. under russia
3. ukraine will find their own way

[Admin Khan]

Russia of course; Russia is known to be an energy-bully.

[HalloIsBack]

Russia of course; Russia is known to be an energy-bully.

agree


but why is russia very quiet now? as putin was in armenia he said that ukraine people should do what they want and choose their own way but they should not cry later if something go wrong

[HalloIsBack]

or is it just a strategy from putin?

[Khilji]

hmmm i say own way but inshallah we will see it in the futur

[یاسمینه]

Yanukovych wants to stand astride, one leg in EU and second in Rusia, and to milk two cows. Finally he will be on the side of those who will give more money (for corrupted government).

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Yanukovych wants to stand astride, one leg in EU and second in Rusia, and to milk two cows. Finally he will be on the side of those who will give more money (for corrupted government).

The perception of the intelligentsia here is that various states like Georgia and Ukraine are being sought after as strategic real-estate by Euro-America versus Russia.

I was told by some fair minded Ukranians that the rural regions in some geographic parts of the country are pro Russian and that urban elites in Kiev are pro American/EU.

Justin Raimando has an article about this:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...s-sovereignty/

Tell me what you think of his article.

[HalloIsBack]

hmmm i say own way but inshallah we will see it in the futur

own way? i wish it them! but how? and the demostrations is organized by the usa

[HalloIsBack]

west ukraine is for eu and usa
east ukraine is for russia

[Khilji]

own way? i wish it them! but how? and the demostrations is organized by the usa

as you can see on your topic this two guys has good arguments.
ukraine is hopefully not like georgia a playball of usa we saw it in 2008 what this absoluty khar this leader of georgia started in the hope that eu taking side of georgia in this usa paid war.georgia lost nearly everything.urkains are closer to russia than to usa or eu but hopefully they going their own way with a good relationship to russia eu and usa.

[یاسمینه]

I heard about similar division - Western Ukraine are pro EU and Eastern (rural areas) are pro Russia. Ties between Ukraine and Russia have never been cut.

Actions of Yanukovych from last year shows that he played on two sides. Although recent opinion says that that since the beginning he cheated and never had any intention to join the EU.
The president and his entourage are aware that accession to EU, would, to some extent, affect public finance sector and increase control over spending public money.

[HalloIsBack]

I heard about similar division - Western Ukraine are pro EU and Eastern (rural areas) are pro Russia. Ties between Ukraine and Russia have never been cut.

it's not a rumor-i confirm it

Actions of Yanukovych from last year shows that he played on two sides. Although recent opinion says that that since the beginning he cheated and never had any intention to join the EU.
The president and his entourage are aware that accession to EU, would, to some extent, affect public finance sector and increase control over spending public money.

[یاسمینه]

The perception of the intelligentsia here is that various states like Georgia and Ukraine are being sought after as strategic real-estate by Euro-America versus Russia.

I was told by some fair minded Ukranians that the rural regions in some geographic parts of the country are pro Russian and that urban elites in Kiev are pro American/EU.

Justin Raimando has an article about this:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...s-sovereignty/

Tell me what you think of his article.

Well, energy blackmail is a fact. Ukrainian economy is linked to Russia.
It's also true, that Merkel expected 'total capitulation'. But there were also voices saying that Ukraine is not ready for accession, that there is no freedom of speech, no democracy and human rights are violated. I remember our MoFA said so and was criticized.

The article's author said nothing about demonstrators and their background apart from the fact that they are hooligans. I do not agrre with the sentence starting from words: "pro-EU hooligans...". They aren't hooligans. People on 'European Maydan' and elsewhere in Kiev are perfectly organized. I remember few days ago our newspapres published the copy of leaflets given to demonstrators, saying how they should act. All there was about paceful demonstration. Of course there are many provocateurs among them and those who seek for aggro. But as a whole it is a demonstration of people who want to change their government. Not only because they are Eurocrats, also because they are fed up with the president and co. Some of them may perceive the accesion as a ability to change. Perhaps some of demonstrators aren't aware of all consequences of accession to the EU.
Nationalist tendencies also play important role in the protests. Ukraine is a independent coutry, has its own language and it is time about to loosen Russian ties.

Russia has never accepted the fact of Soviet Union collapse and will never accept for example the loss of naval bases on the Black Sea. Putin have something to fight for. I don't know why EU want so badly Ukraine among EU countries. There must be pure policitcs behind. In the future may lead to tension between EU and Russia, but for sure it won't be a second cold war. Economic ties between Germany and Russia are too strong.

"Eu is failed socialistic experiment" - I can see many advantages resulting from EU but I think that its unlimited expansion will lead to separatist tendencies and finally to the collapse.

[HalloIsBack]

as you can see on your topic this two guys has good arguments.
ukraine is hopefully not like georgia a playball of usa we saw it in 2008 what this absoluty khar this leader of georgia started in the hope that eu taking side of georgia in this usa paid war.georgia lost nearly everything.urkains are closer to russia than to usa or eu but hopefully they going their own way with a good relationship to russia eu and usa.

i don't think there will be a war but maybe some dead people and after the demonstrations lots of people in prison

[Admin Khan]

or is it just a strategy from putin?

It's a strategy; if he speaks up, that would be meddling in Kiev's affairs.