can AFG survive economically without USA?

[DSM0305]

your opinion is if we are agianst foreign occupation of afghanistan we are somehow against the livelihood of Afghans.

what is your point?

i went around enough places and if i didnt hear a single person favouring occupation or signing the agreement means that what you are claiming simply a foereign view.

I don't know where you live, but normally people don't go around and spewing their political view at public places. So unless you went directly to a person and asked/interviewed him regarding his opinion on politics, there would have been no way for you to know the common peoples opinion.

My opinion is simple. We need to realize the economical and the political situation in Afghanistan.

[ډګروال]

I don't know where you live, but normally people don't go around and spewing their political view at public places. So unless you went directly to a person and asked/interviewed him regarding his opinion on politics, there would have been no way for you to know the common peoples opinion.

My opinion is simple. We need to realize the economical and the political situation in Afghanistan.

actually people do spew their political views and openly.
In Afghanistan people arent as ignrant as you guys wish they were.
they are well aware of what is happening around them and they do have political views and opinions and non were supportive of occupation of their country even not the army.

there have been many instances where army and foreign forces had clashes.
like the one somewhere in jalalabad , where this bridge was contructed and the day of its inauguration from one side Afghan army was coming(commander was a hazara) and from the other side americans .
the americans said through their interpreter on speakers to Afghan army to back down and let them pass first.The Afghan commander refused thats when americans pointed their guns at them the AFG commander ordered his men to take position and when a couple of AFG soldiers took position with RPGs the americans backed down.
guess what after a couple of days the bridge was blown up.

[DSM0305]

actually people do spew their political views and openly.
In Afghanistan people arent as ignrant as you guys wish they were.
they are well aware of what is happening around them and they do have political views and opinions and non were supportive of occupation of their country even not the army.

there have been many instances where army and foreign forces had clashes.
like the one somewhere in jalalabad , where this bridge was contructed and the day of its inauguration from one side Afghan army was coming(commander was a hazara) and from the other side americans .
the americans said through their interpreter on speakers to Afghan army to back down and let them pass first.The Afghan commander refused thats when americans pointed their guns at them the AFG commander ordered his men to take position and when a couple of AFG soldiers took position with RPGs the americans backed down.
guess what after a couple of days the bridge was blown up.

Do you really think I or Afghans in general are born in a cave? Even a child knows that no one is going around and spewing their political view while they are out shopping or doing something similar. Afghans as everyone else while in market or other public places are minding their own business and continue their ordinary life. So don't come around and tell me that Afghans are some sort of zombies that randomly shouting their political view in public.
So don't come around and delude people by saying you know the common Afghans view simply because you went to a vacation to Afghanistan.

The army that you trying to refer to will cease to exist once USA stop it aids. The Afghan government have no where near enough money to sustain such huge military and police. And this is exactly why people need to start thinking realistically.

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Do you really think I or Afghans in general are born in a cave? Even a child knows that no one is going around and spewing their political view while they are out shopping or doing something similar. Afghans as everyone else while in market or other public places are minding their own business and continue their ordinary life. So don't come around and tell me that Afghans are some sort of zombies that randomly shouting their political view in public.
So don't come around and delude people by saying you know the common Afghans view simply because you went to a vacation to Afghanistan.

The army that you trying to refer to will cease to exist once USA stop it aids. The Afghan government have no where near enough money to sustain such huge military and police. And this is exactly why people need to start thinking realistically.

you are entitled to your non factual opinion and you have the right to be ignorant if you want.
you are having a hardtime accepting facts and ground realities.

btw where did i mention shopping or something similar?

[DSM0305]

you are entitled to your non factual opinion and you have the right to be ignorant if you want.
you are having a hardtime accepting facts and ground realities.

btw where did i mention shopping or something similar?

keep talking, maybe some day you say something intelligent.

You've been to Afghanistan for a vacation and now suddenly you think you know facts and ground realities. Anyone with even slightly knowledge would consider it a joke.

I told you that people don't go around and spewing their political view in public places, and you insisted that they are some sort of abnormal zombies who goes around and randomly shouting their political view.

[ډګروال]

keep talking, maybe some day you say something intelligent.

You've been to Afghanistan for a vacation and now suddenly you think you know facts and ground realities. Anyone with even slightly knowledge would consider it a joke.

I told you that people don't go around and spewing their political view in public places, and you insisted that they are some sort of abnormal zombies who goes around and randomly shouting their political view.

listen you ignorant monkey
dont talk with americans up in your mouth.

people do spew their political views and even while shopping, like this one instance when my relative had a discussion with this former jehadi and telling him how you guys have brought 52 countries as invaders.
since when is it considered being a zombie ,expressing your political view.
you really wish that Afghans were ignorant and love foreign invaders as you are in love with them.

you are a prostitute minded person who wouldnt accept it otherwise.
atleast i have been to AFG whiel you are talking from your stinking ass.

you simply have no argument thats why you talk **** just to favour foreign invasion of the country while the people back home are totally opposite of what you claim.

[DSM0305]

listen you ignorant monkey
dont talk with americans up in your mouth.

people do spew their political views and even while shopping, like this one instance when my relative had a discussion with this former jehadi and telling him how you guys have brought 52 countries as invaders.
since when is it considered being a zombie ,expressing your political view.
you really wish that Afghans were ignorant and love foreign invaders as you are in love with them.

you are a prostitute minded person who wouldnt accept it otherwise.
atleast i have been to AFG whiel you are talking from your stinking ass.

you simply have no argument thats why you talk **** just to favour foreign invasion of the country while the people back home are totally opposite of what you claim.

Do you have rabies by any chance? It seems like the disease have already reached your central nervous system.

I end the discussion here. It’s not that I don’t have time to discuss, but it’s just that I find you worthless for my worthwhile words.

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Do you have rabies by any chance? It seems like the disease have already reached your central nervous system.

I end the discussion here. It’s not that I don’t have time to discuss, but it’s just that I find you worthless for my worthwhile words.

yeah your words in defence of your pimp.

gtfo

[DSM0305]

yeah your words in defence of your pimp.

gtfo

You live in one of the western country

Your choice of words already suggest how western culture have hugely influenced you

A person don't need to know rocket science, to know who is whose pimp.

I leave you at that. Since I don't have time to waste on uneducated kids who have gotten swallowed in western ''street'' culture.

[ډګروال]

You live in one of the western country

Your choice of words already suggest how western culture have hugely influenced you

A person don't need to know rocket science, to know who is whose pimp.

I leave you at that. Since I don't have time to waste on uneducated kids who have gotten swallowed in western ''street'' culture.

your defence of your pimp is for everyone obvious and now you want Afghans to allow their mother to be pimped.

my choice of words is exactly right since it describes your true nature.

btw dont quote Khushal khan khattak instead quote bush or obomba

[DSM0305]

your defence of your pimp is for everyone obvious and now you want Afghans to allow their mother to be pimped.

my choice of words is exactly right since it describes your true nature.

btw dont quote Khushal khan khattak instead quote bush or obomba

Don’t fear the enemy that attacks you, but the fake friend that hugs you.

You have enemies that’s right. Most of them strain the leash to bring you down by attacking you with your weaknesses. Majority of them think that they have won but after a short chunk of time you move way ahead of them since what they focused much was to bring you down bit on the other hand you strived to get up and move ahead and focused solely on your very own life. This is what I have come to learn;
“That the favor of God will make those who hate you bow to you one day”.

When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you.
-Winston Churchill

Quote shouldn't be judged by who made it, but rather why it was made. Here are some quote you can read, maybe you grow a brain and get wiser.

[khushal]

Do you have an education? This site is less reliable than wikipedia. You like a 10 year old who thinks that any random link is something factual.

Here is an article dated april 2000.
http://www.afghanistannewscenter.com.../apr9k2000.htm

[khushal]

I don't know where you live, but normally people don't go around and spewing their political view at public places. So unless you went directly to a person and asked/interviewed him regarding his opinion on politics, there would have been no way for you to know the common peoples opinion.

My opinion is simple. We need to realize the economical and the political situation in Afghanistan.

Sure they do. What do you think that all afghans are like you who are too scared to express themselves. PAshtuns are freedom lovers, they don't care about what others think because when your in the right, who cares what some jahil thinks.
here is the evidence:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...67823216827676
JALALABAD, Afghanistan—Nangarhar University is a symbol of American largess: U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for dormitories, classrooms and computer labs.
Increasingly dominating the campus of Afghanistan's second largest university, however, are Islamist activists who openly sympathize with the Taliban.
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Afghan students, many of whom back the Taliban, stream out of Nangarhar University in Jalalabad as they shout slogans against the U.S. and Afghan governments. Associated Press




"The Taliban are the people who are defending this country," said Hamad, a leader of the self-appointed Nangarhar University student council that organizes regular demonstrations against the U.S. and President Hamid Karzai's government. "The foreign troops are invaders."
The council is described by other students as a well-organized group that can muster hundreds of protesters on a moment's notice. Afghan and U.S. officials are taking note: Nangarhar University student demonstrations, which routinely block the main highway connecting Kabul to Jalalabad and the Pakistani border, feature the white flag of the Taliban and the green flag of Hezb-e Islami, the movement of anti-U.S. warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
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University students step on a U.S. flag. Associated Press




The students sometimes also fly the black banner used by al Qaeda. Afghanistan's national flag, explains Hamad, a 24-year-old Islamic-studies student from the northern province of Baghlan who didn't want to have his full name used, "has not maintained its integrity."
The student militancy sweeping Afghan campuses ahead of the U.S.-led coalition's withdrawal next year isn't limited to Nangarhar. In late May, hundreds of students rallied outside the Afghan capital's prestigious Kabul University to protest against legislation that criminalizes violence against women. "That demonstration really made me worried, that's where you can see the radicalization of the youth," said Najla Ayubi, a women's rights activist and former judge.
This rise of extremism among Afghan students—some of the biggest direct beneficiaries of U.S. assistance—underscores the lack of goodwill that more than a decade of American taxpayer money has bought here. It also harks back to a potent precedent in recent Afghan history. Many of Afghanistan's mujahedeen warlords who combated the Soviets, each other and the U.S. over the past three decades, including Mr. Hekmatyar, started out in politics as student activists in the 1970s.
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Afghan university students study in a dormitory at Nangarhar University. U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for dormitories, classrooms and computer labs at the school. AFP/Getty Images




U.S. and Western officials often cite the boom in school and college enrollments as a key sign of progress in Afghanistan since the Taliban regime's downfall in 2001. A decade ago, Afghanistan had a dozen poorly funded colleges that were under the sway of local warlords; today it has 32 public universities and at least 76 private higher education institutions.
The international community's investment in the Afghan university system is part of a larger development portfolio: Since 2002, the U.S. Agency for International Development has spent a combined $934.4 million on education here.
Much of the focus of the U.S. education strategy has hinged on teacher training, particularly for girls' education. In recent years, the U.S. government has spent $10 million on education faculty buildings around the country; constructed provincial teacher training colleges at a cost of $23 million; and provided over $60 million in support to the country's Ministry of Higher Education. Other Western allies spent on universities, too.
But gratitude is in short supply at Nangarhar University, even among ordinary students who aren't involved in student politics. "The Americans have done reconstruction, but they've insulted Afghan culture," said one of them, Sajjed Bahar, a literature student from Khost province. "They support our university, but in the meantime, they kill students."
Students in Nangarhar said they were particularly incensed by the killing earlier this year of a fellow student in Wardak province. The student was abducted and later found with his throat cut, an incident for which the Afghan government blamed secret militias working for the U.S. special-operations forces. While the U.S.-led coalition said the allegations of illegal detention, torture and killings in Wardak were untrue, Mr. Karzai ordered U.S. special-operations units out of the province's Nerkh district after the incidents.
Current and former U.S. officials say they have taken note of the radicalization at Nangarhar University and other campuses. "We are definitely aware that there are these sort of unsavory elements at the university," said a U.S. official, adding: "If you have a society that is in upheaval—evolving and developing—you're going to experience similar things in the university."
Abdul Azim Noorbakhsh, spokesman for Afghanistan's Ministry of Higher Education, added that campus activism was part of the development of a robust political debate. "This is civil society and democracy," he said.
Situated just northwest of Jalalabad, eastern Afghanistan's largest city, Nangarhar University was founded in 1962, its campus originally built with Soviet assistance. Today, it has nearly 10,000 students, many of whom are crowded into spartan, three-story dormitories.
Naeem Jan Sarwary, vice chancellor for student affairs, said the university depended heavily on USAID as well as the local Provincial Reconstruction Team, a U.S. military-led development team, to provide Internet servers, computer laboratories, sports equipment and scholarship money. International donors helped provide housing for the school's 500 female students.
Such assistance helps offset shortfalls in the school's regular operating budget, which is provided largely by the central government. Gul Agha, the vice chancellor for administration, said the school's monthly "ordinary budget" of 20 million afghanis (around $360,000) to cover payroll for 450 faculty members and other costs often doesn't arrive on time, or is underfunded.
The activists at Nangarhar University, students say, are drawn largely from the school's Shariah faculty, which produces preachers and Islamic judges. Their student council—also known informally as the "mosque committee"—is organized out of the university's on-campus mosque, where they often announce their protests.
These activists described their opinions on a recent visit by two Wall Street Journal reporters to the university's campus—after first probing the reporters about their own religious beliefs and their views on Islam.
"The invaders have often killed innocents intentionally," said Sadaqat, a senior activist who didn't want to give his full name. "And they've continued their oppression of the innocent people of Afghanistan."
Describing how the protests are organized, Mr. Sadaqat said the members of the mosque committee usually consult with the rest of the student body. "Whenever there is an issue, we present the issue when the students come for prayers in the mosque. Then we hold a jirga [assembly] and talk about it. All students who stay in the dorms are involved in the decision-making," he said.
Muhammad Sabir Momand, the head of Nangarhar University, said the protests blocking the road were limited to a small minority of a few hundred ideologically committed students. Mr. Momand said he had encouraged student protesters to keep their demonstrations on campus and not block the roads.
"I have told them that if they want to protest, do it on the university campus, and I will let representatives of the press in to hear your message," he said. Investigating antigovernment activities was the responsibility of Afghanistan's security agencies, not of the university, he added.
According to other students, however, the core group of radicals often successfully exerts pressure on the rest of the student body.
"When first-year students come here, they are vulnerable—they are the target for recruitment," said Ahmad Aqbal, a political science student at Nangarhar University who doesn't share the militant ideology. "They tell you, 'If you join us, you'll pass your exams.' "
—Margherita Stancati and Ehsanullah Amiri contributed to this article.

[DSM0305]

Here is an article dated april 2000.
http://www.afghanistannewscenter.com.../apr9k2000.htm

Khushal wrora, for the love of god please get an education and understand the meaning of source criticism. Source criticism is the first thing you learn after you graduated from elementary. Any person with even minimal knowledge knows that everything and anything have a purpose. Its no wonder you are so brainwashed since source criticism is apparently non existence in your world.
Well... a 10 year old child is still immature, I cant have high expectation from you... not much I can do about it, sorry brother

Sure they do. What do you think that all afghans are like you who are too scared to express themselves. PAshtuns are freedom lovers, they don't care about what others think because when your in the right, who cares what some jahil thinks.

Dear brother, you really need to learn comprehend a text. First of all I want to clarify that what I am doing is in fact express my opinion. So either your English is bad or you just dyslexic.

Now back to the text. What I wrote was a respond to the other guy who claims he knows the ordinary Afghans political view and opinion just because he went to Afghanistan for a vacation.
To simplify it for you, I will give you an example. If you went for a vacation, let say to France. Will you be able to know whatever these French men are left-wing or right-wing without asking them? of course not. The same goes for Afghans in Afghanistan. You can't know their opinion or view without asking them.

And regarding the article you showed with those pretty pictures. If anything it proves my point. In the article it says that today Afghanistan have 32 public universities and at least 76 private. Which proves that the aid Afghanistan have received is helping the country. I don't like USA either, but I know for the fact that these billion dolors of aid is positive for Afghanistan and is essential for its growth.

[khushal]

Dear brother, you really need to learn comprehend a text. First of all I want to clarify that what I am doing is in fact express my opinion. So either your English is bad or you just dyslexic.

Now back to the text. What I wrote was a respond to the other guy who claims he knows the ordinary Afghans political view and opinion just because he went to Afghanistan for a vacation.
To simplify it for you, I will give you an example. If you went for a vacation, let say to France. Will you be able to know whatever these French men are left-wing or right-wing without asking them? of course not. The same goes for Afghans in Afghanistan. You can't know their opinion or view without asking them.

And regarding the article you showed with those pretty pictures. If anything it proves my point. In the article it says that today Afghanistan have 32 public universities and at least 76 private. Which proves that the aid Afghanistan have received is helping the country. I don't like USA either, but I know for the fact that these billion dolors of aid is positive for Afghanistan and is essential for its growth.

Anyone can write what they want on the internet. The identity is hidden. To do it in person is a whole different matter but that's besides the point.

You claimed that people don't express their political opinion in public and I showed a source that does regardless of the vacation comments. The wallstreetjournal confirms what Dagarwal has claimed.
The article disproves your point. It says that Afghans don't want to bend over for a few dollars.