New chief of TTP is a gujjar

[Badlun]

You have little understanding of framework of pashtun society.....artisans/karigars , mullahs and daman etc are not considered pasahtuns even though they are pashto speakers. In old times pashtuns refrained from these professions and allowed non-pashtuns to settle as serfs among them and carry out those professions for them.

I have seen that usually Gujjars are dark skinned and they are easily differentiated from Pashtuns but Kulalan, Parachkan, Ingaran, Tarkanan, Chamyarana, Jolagan even Nayan and Daman are fair skinned and cannot be differentiated from Pashtuns.

I have seen many of them with blue eyes and in a city like Peshawar or Karachi you will not say who is Pashtun and who is not if you see them mixed with Pashtuns.

Do you know any theory where from they were brought as workers for Pashtuns? Were they brought from nearby areas as Kohat, Peshawar, Mardan, Dir etc and they were poor Pashtuns there but once brought to Swat, adopted these professions and were classified differently?

[afghan]

If Sherpaos are not Gujjars but Muhammadzais then why some one like Gadoonwal does not bring this article of Wikipedia in their notice so that they correct it otherwise whole world will take them as Gujjars and not Pashtuns.

One curiosity that why Pashtuns of Swat and the region do not usually write Yousafzai with their names and why people of Charsadda do not write Muhamamdzai with their names?

gadoonwal is a patriotic pashtun no doubts but he blindly posts everything he finds on the internet, and believe that to be true. doesnt do any research himself.
Badlun you might know how Gujars are treated in pashtun populated areas. they live very isolated lives no education no formal jobs or positions hold by them. when you insult a pashtun you call him a gujar.

pashtun never used their tribe names as their as their last names. it started not long ago to use a tribe name. pashtun always knoew which and khel and tribe they belong to, it was enough for them.

[Badlun]

pashtun never used their tribe names as their as their last names. it started not long ago to use a tribe name. pashtun always knoew which and khel and tribe they belong to, it was enough for them.

What I have seen in my little life span that Khattak, wazir, Mehsood, Orakzai, Alizai, Gandapur, Marwat, Bettani, Achakzai, Abdali/Durrani, Katwazai, Apridi,Bagash, Lodhi, Babar, Daudzai,Ahmadzai, Nyazi, Noorzai,Shinwari,kakar,Safi etc use their tribe names as their surname or family name

But the same trend is not found amongst Ghiljis, Yousafzai, Muhammadzai(in Charsaddah), Mohmand,Tarkanri etc.

I see few Yousafzai famous persons because they do not write their tribe but each and every Khattak will use his/her tribe name. The trend is also in men and not in women. Pashtun women rarely use their tribe name.

[Toramana]

he is not a gujjar.. He is Youosafzai.. (Although a Bast**erd) People of swat look don upon gujjars and would never follow a gujjar.. and most of the population in swat is Yousafzai.. Moreover, people in Buner, Shangla, Torghar, Malakand, Dir are all Yousafzai as well .. so they wouldnt really follow aa gujjar.. (I have no issues with gujjar,, but a gujjar in that area would never gain political clout)

That is factually wrong. Look at me. I am the leader of Gujjars and have many Pashtun folk as followers. Even here I have made an offer to a person from Gadun of a guard post.

[Toramana]

sherpao family aren't gujjars its a lie.

Aftab's family tree and cross-marriages in other influential families has given him a unique edge over his political opponents. Aftab's family has for long been a prominent and influential family in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The family belongs to the Mohammadzai tribe which has for long been a dominant tribe amongst the Pashtuns. His father Khan Bahadur Ghulam Haider Khan Sherpao was a key figure in the Pakistan freedom movement and an influential political leader. From his mothers side, Aftab is the grandson of Haji Muhammad Sohbat Khan of Prang, another influential Pashtun from the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
His elder brother Hayat Muhammad Khan Sherpao was a founding member of the Pakistan Peoples Party, former Federal Minister and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Governor and Senior Minister. Aftab himself is the son-in-law of the brother of Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar, one of the pioneers of the Pakistan freedom movement. His eldest son, Sikandar Hayat Khan Sherpao, has already jumped into Provincial Politics and has been elected to the Provincial Assembly of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa twice.

I think Sherpao family is Swati (from Hazara) yet they have mingled with influential land-owning families of Charssada.

[Kushan Prince]

pashtun never used their tribe names as their as their last names. it started not long ago to use a tribe name. pashtun always knoew which and khel and tribe they belong to, it was enough for them.

Pashtuns have never used their tribe name as their last name? Tell that to the likes of Ahmad shah Durrani or khushal khan khattak.

Seriously you spew a lot of BS around here.

[khushal]

You have little understanding of framework of pashtun society.....artisans/karigars , mullahs and daman etc are not considered pasahtuns even though they are pashto speakers. In old times pashtuns refrained from these professions and allowed non-pashtuns to settle as serfs among them and carry out those professions for them.

artisans and mullahs are Pashtuns but you are right about daman since daman work is considered demeaning.

[afghan]

Pashtuns have never used their tribe name as their last name? Tell that to the likes of Ahmad shah Durrani or khushal khan khattak.

Seriously you spew a lot of BS around here.

moron pashtun desnt begin from ahmad shah durrani (durani was a title more than tribe name given to him by persian) or khushal khan khattak. how many ghilzai have you seen using their last name as a tribe? mostly famous people like rulers or poets used their tribes names or places of origins and even this started few hudred years back. thats another reason many doubts about pashtun historical figures about their origin. many consider them turks or persians.
the ghulkhor like yourself i have to put in a place where you supposed to be.

[Kushan Prince]

moron pashtun desnt begin from ahmad shah durrani (durani was a title more than tribe name given to him by persian) or khushal khan khattak. how many ghilzai have you seen using their last name as a tribe? mostly famous people like rulers or poets used their tribes names or places of origins and even this started few hudred years back. thats another reason many doubts about pashtun historical figures about their origin. many consider them turks or persians.
the ghulkhor like yourself i have to put in a place where you supposed to be.

Lol ok then genius what did pashtuns use as a last name if it was not their tribe name? And since when was Durrani a Persian title? As far as I'm aware, Ahmad shah changed the name of the abdalis to durrani.

Wait a minute, pashtun historical figures are now considerd to persians or turks JUST because they used their tribe names!?? LOL

Spoken like a true mordagaow, are you even pashtun?

[gadoonwal]

I think Sherpao family is Swati (from Hazara) yet they have mingled with influential land-owning families of Charssada.

Sherpao is muammadzai pashtun and khan of ashnagar charsada.
stop bs you lier
You are fake.
They are belong to the same tribe as bacha khan baba

[gadoonwal]

@gadoonwal
What a surprize when I saw this that Sherpao is a Gujjar

Gujjar Dignitaries

Aftab Ahmad Sherpao آفتاب احمد خان شیرپائو Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao born 20 August 1944) is the head of Pakistan Peoples Party (Sherpao) and was the 35th Federal Interior Minister of Pakistan. Prior to this assignment he was working as the Federal Minister for Water and Power (WAPDA), Minister for Kashmir Affairs and Northern Areas and States & Frontier Regions (KANA & SAFRON) and Minister for Interprovincial Coordination. Sherpao has also served as the 14th and 18th Chief Minister of the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan.
Hayat Mohammad Khan Sherpao حيات محمد خان شير پاؤ

Hayat Muhammad Khan Sherpao was a founding member of the Pakistan Peoples Party, former Federal Minister and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Governor and Senior Minister. Sherpao held important executive offices, including served as the Interior minister and hold numbers provincial ministries of the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Province. Hayat Sherpao, was a notable left-wing intellectual and socialist, serving as the fifteenth Governor of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Province of Pakistan, as well as vice-chairman of Pakistan Peoples Party. Co-founding the Pakistan People's Party with Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1967, Sherpao took the responsibility to governed the Kyber Province in a difficult times when the country had lost the East-Pakistan as a result of 1971 Winter war with rival India, and when the Pashtun nationalism was at its peak point, calling for the independence from Pakistan. As governor, he oversaw the re-constitution of provisional assembly, stabilizing the law and order situation in tribal belt, and overseeing the success of covert operations in Afghanistan Soviet Socialist Republic in 1975. His governorship and Sherpao himself tackled and faced intense communist opposition led by AsfandyiarVali, and was assassinated in a targeted bomb explosion on the campus of Peshawar University in 1975.


Sikandar Hayat Khan Sherpo MPA K.P (2002–07, 2007–12) Charsadda
Gujjar (South Asian tribe) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Badlon sb,
i am surprise to the knowledge of some pashtuns and their views.
Someone from gujar community setting in front of computer can change all pashtun leaders to gujars on wiki ,is that a big deal?
now you try the same wiki and other site and check pashtun ?
you will find pashtuns are persain and belong to iranic origin.
you may find some jews connection.
so what do you think?
sherpao itself is the name of sub-tribe of muhammadzai pashtun.
Sherpao is belong to the khans of mummadzai tribe.
His entire khail live there.
you can search his family in muhammazaid tribe even.

[gadoonwal]

Read his interview and he himself calls himself a Pashtun. The interview is done by a Pashtun Khurshid Khan from swat.

Have you seen a single Gujjar who is not dark skinned? May be one or few but majority of them are dark skinned.

I do not know about the origin of parachkan, nayan, kulalan,chamyaran, mulan, myagan etc and most of them are white skinned like Pashtuns.

I have been told that they were poor Pashtuns in past, lost their lands and had to start earning in some professions as mule drivers, barbers, potters,cobblers,clergymen but ethnically and racially they are Pashtun as a chamyar or kulal is not a race but a profession.

Yes Gujjar is a race and they have their own history and features.

when khurshed khan intervied him that time i read this.
many kasabgar and gujars like to be indentfy as a pashtuns and not gujars .
you know they are treated as 2nd class then think about it.

[gadoonwal]

aftab ahmad khan sherpao is working for peace in pashtunland of afghanistan and pashtunkhwa.
He visited afghanistan so many time in the last few years and met karzai and others.
In his interview with tolo tv and khyber tv he clearly said pakistan is involved in the violence in afghanistan.
He will be killed in some stage ,lets not hope for it but he is on the hit list.
He was the interior minister and knows establishment very well and he knows what game establishment playing with pashtuns.
He is famous for his backdoor diplomacy and work.
His deep interests in pashtun affairs forced him to form pashtun nationalist party qumi watan party.

[gadoonwal]

If Sherpaos are not Gujjars but Muhammadzais then why some one like Gadoonwal does not bring this article of Wikipedia in their notice so that they correct it otherwise whole world will take them as Gujjars and not Pashtuns.

One curiosity that why Pashtuns of Swat and the region do not usually write Yousafzai with their names and why people of Charsadda do not write Muhamamdzai with their names?

badlon sb,
you click on aftab khan sherpao name on wiki you will find him muhmmadzai not others.
The term yousufzai is more famous in swabi region where i find many people use this.
.There are many sub-tribe of pashtuns living in yousuzai country called yousufzai.
Charsada is the home of muhammadzai tribe majority, followed by some momands and others.
Mardan,swabi,chamla,khodakhel,amazai,torghar are belong to yousufzai .
Yousufzai and mandarn-yousufzai is same.
Swat was home to the famous swati tribe before the yousufzai migration to peshawar valley.
Swat was also a home of gujar dynisty the famous wali swat famly.
wali swat was belong to the gujar tribe.
Today many old swatis living in swat,yousufzais are also there.
A good number of gujars,parachis,kohistanis and kasabgars living there.
However majority of swati tribe now living in batagram and mansehra.
Many yousufzais living in thakot (batagram) some in ogi area too.
aS I said yousufzai is just brand name in some areas.

[gadoonwal]

gadoonwal is a patriotic pashtun no doubts but he blindly posts everything he finds on the internet, and believe that to be true. doesnt do any research himself.
Badlun you might know how Gujars are treated in pashtun populated areas. they live very isolated lives no education no formal jobs or positions hold by them. when you insult a pashtun you call him a gujar.

pashtun never used their tribe names as their as their last names. it started not long ago to use a tribe name. pashtun always knoew which and khel and tribe they belong to, it was enough for them.

afghan sb,
i read books more then net.
Sometime i post net info for opinion.It dose,nt mean i agree with it.
gujars and kasabgars are treated 2nd class citizens and pashtun never marry them.
i have seen many gujars in laghman even .kunar have some gujars too.
The northren region of pashtunland have some gujars and they are pashtunized.
about sherpao i have explained it.
sherpao itself is khail of mamadzai,is that clear now.
dawood khan late afghan ruler once offer a land for graveyard in nangarhar for bacha khan and muhmmadzais mashran.
Dawood khan was also muhmmadzai.