Wahabis and Sharia

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[Karachi]

Whatever these spoilt Saudis are doing, doesn't mean it is coming from Wahabhi ideology, however I do wonder why wahabhis/Salafis never condemn these things, which is happening in a Kingdom run by the rules of the Wahabhi/Salafi ideology, instead they love to criticize and judge others. This is what I find most hypocritical about Wahabhis/Salafis

[Pakwatan]

Whatever these spoilt Saudis are doing, doesn't mean it is coming from Wahabhi ideology, however I do wonder why wahabhis/Salafis never condemn these things, which is happening in a Kingdom run by the rules of the Wahabhi/Salafi ideology, instead they love to criticize and judge others. This is what I find most hypocritical about Wahabhis/Salafis

Saudi family is not my God nor is the anyone from the Saudi family.

Wahabis don't do 2 things that some other Muslims do.

1.Worship graves.

2.Believe in clergy or Mullahs.

That's really about it.


My family is wahabi, but we just call ourselves Muslims.

[Tiger Khan]

I aint got any issues with Wahabies.. but here is my take on muslims sects:
Wahabies --> Judgementals.. (good thing is they are more realistic) less shirk
Deobandies--> Judgementals..(good thing is they are more realistic) less shirk
Barelvi--> too suprstititions some shirk .. belive in some conspiricy theories (good at interpretation)
Sufies --> relaxed .. muslim rockstars (that why accepted by non-muslims). too liberal and inventive. (I like them becuase they are relaxed . and their is music and dancing )
Shia--> too superstitition more shirk than Barelvi , also belives alot in conspiracy theories (good at discussions)

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Whatever these spoilt Saudis are doing, doesn't mean it is coming from Wahabhi ideology, however I do wonder why wahabhis/Salafis never condemn these things, which is happening in a Kingdom run by the rules of the Wahabhi/Salafi ideology, instead they love to criticize and judge others. This is what I find most hypocritical about Wahabhis/Salafis

There thousands of wahhabi scholars in prisons of al saud because they condemn the saudi family.

They recently imprisoned one of the greatest scholars of our time Sulaiman bin Nasir al Ulwan.

[Karachi]

^ but then there are lots of wahabhis who also support the Saudi State/family. I have seen here in Canada, Wahabhis always coming up with excuses to support the Saudis

As for Tiger and Pakwatan, you are just suckers to the Saudis like typical pakistani slave mentality people

[Friends of Baloch]

As for Tiger and Pakwatan, you are just suckers to the Saudis like typical pakistani slave mentality people

Arab vs paki

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

^ but then there are lots of wahabhis who also support the Saudi State/family. I have seen here in Canada, Wahabhis always coming up with excuses to support the Saudis

As for Tiger and Pakwatan, you are just suckers to the Saudis like typical pakistani slave mentality people

Thats a particular movement called the Madkhali movement. They are super-salafis.

Supporters of the madkhali cult are more prevalent in the West than the East.

In Muslim countries, many Muslims are against the Saudis. Even inside Saudi, many scholars and common people are against the regime.

But being against the regime does not mean you have to be against Dawah Salafiyyah/Wahhabiyyah/Najdiyyah

The main principles of Salafis are to uphold the authentic teachings of Islam.

In Islam we do not rebel against "MUSLIM" leaders. Even if they are opressors.

The issue with Saudis is that there are many who believe that the Saudis are kafirs, thus rebelling against them is legitimate.

Others believe Saudis are not Kafirs but major sinners and therefore rebelling against them is not legitimate.

Then there is another group that says: saudis are kufar, rebelion is legitimate, but only if you have enough power to overthrow them without harming innocent people and the holy sites.

When there are so many conflicting views about Saudis, you cannot label all Wahhabis/Salafis as supporters of Saudi government.

You guys are against TTP and Al Qaeda, yet TTP and Al Qaeda are the ones who believe Saudis are kufar and rebelling against kafir rulers is a must.

So if you have so much beef with Saudis, then you should join Al Qaeda or TTP.


But naturally people wont support those groups who are in favor of Sharia and against Saudis. Because those groups are also against "kunitob" which is listening to music, free mixing, eating haram, missing prayers, supporting kafir governments etc. And most staunch anti Wahhabi and anti-Saudis on PF are advocates of "kunitob".

Therefore, any criticism against Saudis here is an invalid criticism.

[afghan]

There thousands of wahhabi scholars in prisons of al saud because they condemn the saudi family.

They recently imprisoned one of the greatest scholars of our time Sulaiman bin Nasir al Ulwan.

then their should be an uprising. if a disagreement with the authorities. they are good in enforcing on others by supporting them financially. so be realistic.

[Pakwatan]

^ but then there are lots of wahabhis who also support the Saudi State/family. I have seen here in Canada, Wahabhis always coming up with excuses to support the Saudis

As for Tiger and Pakwatan, you are just suckers to the Saudis like typical pakistani slave mentality people

I don't judge groups of people, but no. I don't have any affinity towards the Saudis.

[Karachi]

Thats a particular movement called the Madkhali movement. They are super-salafis.

Supporters of the madkhali cult are more prevalent in the West than the East.

In Muslim countries, many Muslims are against the Saudis. Even inside Saudi, many scholars and common people are against the regime.

But being against the regime does not mean you have to be against Dawah Salafiyyah/Wahhabiyyah/Najdiyyah

The main principles of Salafis are to uphold the authentic teachings of Islam.

In Islam we do not rebel against "MUSLIM" leaders. Even if they are opressors.

The issue with Saudis is that there are many who believe that the Saudis are kafirs, thus rebelling against them is legitimate.

Others believe Saudis are not Kafirs but major sinners and therefore rebelling against them is not legitimate.

Then there is another group that says: saudis are kufar, rebelion is legitimate, but only if you have enough power to overthrow them without harming innocent people and the holy sites.

When there are so many conflicting views about Saudis, you cannot label all Wahhabis/Salafis as supporters of Saudi government.

You guys are against TTP and Al Qaeda, yet TTP and Al Qaeda are the ones who believe Saudis are kufar and rebelling against kafir rulers is a must.

So if you have so much beef with Saudis, then you should join Al Qaeda or TTP.


But naturally people wont support those groups who are in favor of Sharia and against Saudis. Because those groups are also against "kunitob" which is listening to music, free mixing, eating haram, missing prayers, supporting kafir governments etc. And most staunch anti Wahhabi and anti-Saudis on PF are advocates of "kunitob".

Therefore, any criticism against Saudis here is an invalid criticism.

I just do not understand this ruling, this is what has made muslims slaves to their rulers for centuries, no matter how corrupt or oppressive the government is, muslims are not suppose to do anything??? this just doesn't seem right to me and it is actually goes against Quran which teaches to fight oppressions of all kinds. That mentality will always keep the muslim public as slaves because all the governments in muslim countries are western puppets, serving western agenda.

Also the problem with Saudis is that they rule the holy lands of Islam, if they didn't rule them, then I think most people would just leave them alone to their miserable condition

[Karachi]

I don't judge groups of people, but no. I don't have any affinity towards the Saudis.

yeah well pakistanis would be the last people on earth to judge other people

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I just do not understand this ruling, this is what has made muslims slaves to their rulers for centuries, no matter how corrupt or oppressive the government is, muslims are not suppose to do anything??? this just doesn't seem right to me and it is actually goes against Quran which teaches to fight oppressions of all kinds. That mentality will always keep the muslim public as slaves because all the governments in muslim countries are western puppets, serving western agenda.

Also the problem with Saudis is that they rule the holy lands of Islam, if they didn't rule them, then I think most people would just leave them alone to their miserable condition

The ruling is not against quran. Dont say that.

You can fight and oppose opression but without causing a civil war.

The ruling serves as a means to prevent civil war.

This ruling is abused by many. Thats why we are slaves. What we need is better scholars and better leadership.

The problem of Saudi Arabia is not that the religious people are in favor of the regime. The problem is that most people are happy. They do not want more Islam in Saudi. They want less Islam.

This is why a corrupt regime is still in power.

We have the same proble in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Our religious leadership is weak and unqualified, the people dont want Islam. Those who want it are considered extremists.

If saudi people were good people, their king would be also a better person. Since they are corrupt so is their leader.

Same thing with us. We are a corrupt and immoral nation. Thats why our leaders are just as corrupt as we are.

We may have a few good people here and there. But a few good people are everywhere. Thats not enough to have a good society and government.

You visited Saudi befor. Dont you see how corrupt they are?

All those white thaubs anx black abayas is show. Most of them are corript individuals. What dp you expect?

Flowers dont grow among piles of garbage. How can good leaders emerge among corrupt people?

[Pakwatan]

yeah well pakistanis would be the last people on earth to judge other people

To be honest, I don't give a flying F about Saudis or anyone else.

Akhirat main Allah swt Mujay puchay ga meray gunnao ke liyeh.

I can only answer for myself. And to generalize 180 million Pakistanis makes you very narrow minded. I mean, you are a Pakistani too.