Iran Enraged by Pakistan’s Heedless Attitude to Border Control

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pakistanis are the biggest Hindus of all time.

Sind and Punjab are like a Hindus' paradise, full of Hindu history and cultural legacy.

Before Punjab was given that name by the Mughals, it was just known as Hindustan to the Persians, Turks and Afghans, and Al-Hind to the Arabs. Only during Mughal emperor Jahangir's time did the name Punjab begin to slowly take off, but the population were still generically known as Hindus centuries after.

Indian/Pakistani Muslims were still called Hindus in the Middle East well into the 20th century. Even in early years following the 1947 partition, Pakistanis (Punjabis/Sindis/Mohajirs/Kashmiris) were called Hindus in the Middle East.

Today in Pakhtunkhwa, the remnants of the original Indian population of the lowland areas are known as Hindkowans.

But these smelly, black punjabis say they are not Hindus or are less Hindu than the Bengalis and Indians?

Stupid, inferiority complex ridden pakis. What a dirty, disgusting people living in denial these punjabis are!

It is hilarious hearing a Punjabi (or "Kashmiri who first claimed he is an Indian Kashmiri and now claims he has never set foot inside there) calling Bengalis Hindu...lol.

It is like a Saudi insulting others as "Wahabi".

1. Brahmanism/Hinduism comes from northern India/Pakistan and was a system created to suppress Dravidians, who originally came from the middle east and were in Iran for a while.



Dravidian Elamites who were in Iran.



Dravidian Elamite from what is now "Iran"/Persia.

2. I had a Mahmudzai friend from Kabul who used to live in "Pakistan" (land of the pure) for a while and told me how when he and others would live Peshawar and go to Punjab they would say "we are going to Hindustan" (i.e. Punjab).

3. Punjabis have a huge caste system which we Bangladeshis do not (even the Indian Muslims have a caste system unfortunately).

4. Punjabi "Muslims" have never had a state or kingdom of their own in history whilst Balochis, Pashtuns and Bengalis have.

This is why Punjabis are obsessed with "Pakistan" as it is the only time they have ever had anything to boast about.

Anyway we Bengalis have had states in the past, such as the Pala state and now have our independent Bangladesh which:

- Has the largest number of peacekeepers in the world, helping millions.
- Largest NGO in the world helping millions including "Pakistan" and Afghanistan.
- 5th highest rate of economic growth in the world since 2008
- Foreign exchange reserve 3 times greater than "Pakistan".
- Producing ships, electronics and other industries.

We hope that our Muslim brothers in Balochistan gain their freedom soon, insha'Allah.



To be one of the reasons why I don't like being in the presence of Punjabis and Mohajirs is I can see that underneath the Islamic coating, they have heavy Hindu influence in their culture and the attendant Brahmanism/racism/caste that comes with that.

[Friends of Baloch]

1. Brahmanism/Hinduism comes from northern India/Pakistan and was a system created to suppress Dravidians, who originally came from the middle east and were in Iran for a while.

No you are mistaken. Elamites were not Dravidians. They were a native Middle Eastern people, probably racially related to Mespotamians, but of an unknown ethnic and linguistic origin. Their language probably developed uniquely in southwestern Iran thousands of years before Iranians migrated there and mixed with them to later give rise to Persians.

Dravidians on the other hand are from the Indian subcontinent. Their ancestors arrived there thousands of years before the Brahmans / Indo-Aryans, but some time after the Aboriginals who were in the Indian subcontinent even earlier.

Punjabis are not a people or a nation. They are a fabricated ethnic group with no history. These so-called Punjabis are made up of Indian castes like Jats mainly and others that were clumped together into a province that the Mughals gave the name Punjab. Then the British came and conquered this region and drew the borders of Punjab that exist to this day.

Punjabis are just recent converts from the Hindu low castes. When the British first conquered Punjab, most of the population was Hindu and Sikh. You can see the proof this in the British censuses on the 19th century published in the Imperial gazetteer's of British India.

[EvilPakistani]

1. You are a Pakistani nationalist and racist who praised Tikka Khan and his atrocities.

You are a *******.

2. You lied about Tikka Khan and falsely claimed that Tikka Khan was a Pashtun and then I disproved your lies.

3. You do not admire Pashtuns but have recently boasted about how the instability (i.e. millions of Afghans/Pashtuns) in Afghanistan was payback for Afghan claims on the Durrand line.

You boast about causing the death and suffering of millions of Afghans.

You are an enemy of Afghans.

Apart from the fact that Afghans would not accept your gloating over their suffering in real life, true Pashtuns (not "Pathans" or Punjabized "Pashtuns") would never accept you gloat over their suffering of their blood brothers in Afghankhwa.

Here is a picture from a Khyberwatch member's facebook, a Pashtun from so-called "Pakistan" Gohar Nangyal, notice the Pukhtoon with the Afghan national colours.



4. You are a liar and your changing claims (one minute you praise genocidal butcherer Tikka Khan, next you claim that you said Pakistan should apologize, and then a few sentences later in the same post you said Bangladeshis are traitors...you are one confused, two-faced, liar.


Other Pakistanis here have come and lied about their identity.

- HavziSultan: Claimed he was a Pashtun and Toramana disbelieved him and said he was a Mohajir, HavziSultan rejected Toramana's claims on this forum while at the same time on defence.pk would write how he was a Mohajir. I was confused at how he could lie so blatantly, but anyway now he has openly come out and said he is a Pakistani Mohajir and is full of venom and hatred to this forum.

-Killzai: A Mohajir from Karachi who claimed to be many different things including a Latino. A troll and moron.

- Borgza aka Genmirajborgza: He came on to this forum claiming to be an Indian from West Bengal of Pashtun lineage, would insult and attack Pakistan and at least once put a picture of the Indian army in a context of them being ready to take on Pakistan.

Now he has reverted to his true identity on defence.pk and promotes Pakistani nationalism and admiration for traitor and murderer Bhutto.

There are others, you are just another liar and low self-esteem Indian/Pakistani with an inferiority complex.

5. You posted on another thread insulting Bangladeshis and praising war crimes where no Bengali had written anything, so you started it.

6. Bangladesh is an independent state and is not owned by India, this is misinformation deliberately spread by the Pakistani ISI and groups they sponsor in Bangladesh such as "Jamat i Islami", whose members dominate the defence.pk subforum and who are liars.

Proof:

- Bangladesh is increasing defence spending.
- Bangladesh does not permit transit for India through Bangladesh and to India's north-east.
- Bangladesh has a standing army of around 200,000 and then reservists of total 6 million i.e. Ansar + VDP (Unembodied Ansars)



Bangladesh Ansar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes of course India wants 6 million Muslims next door to it with military training.

- Bangladesh has the largest Islamic gathering in the world, around 5-6 million, the annual Bishor Ijtema.

- Bangladesh has Quranic based inheritance laws and more Islamic than Turkey.

- Bangladesh has international Islamic universities in it.

- Bangladesh has has the largest Islamic university in south Asia, Hathazari madrassa in Chittagong.

- Bangladesh has strong defence ties with China, our main supplier.

You know nothing about Bangladesh, Pashtuns and are just a loud-mouthed, deceitful troublemaker who is here to insult and abuse others and start flame wars.

You are the bully here. I merely made some comments about the consequences of Balochi independence and insulted no one, then you the racist supporter of genocide attacked me and my country and basically told me not to comment on this things. No confused American/Pakistani/Indian/Kashmiri (who originally claimed to be from Indian Kashmir and now claims he has never set foot there) liar, you will not be able to stop me supporting the rights of my Muslim brothers, the Balochis and Pashtuns.

- Bangladesh is a Muslim country which does not have a huge sex zone like Pakistan's "Heera mandi"



- Vani (Pakistani practise of selling girls for marriage to settle disputes).

- Muslim women buried alive as happened a few years back.

Five women beaten and buried alive in Pakistan 'honour killing' - Asia - World - The Independent

- Muslim women forced to parade naked as a village "punishment"

Rape in Pakistan village: Woman paraded naked - YouTube

- Bangladesh does not have transexual TV presenters like Pakistan does.

- Bangladesh does not have sex parties and orgies as is frequent in Karachi, Lahore and "Islamabad" in "Pakistan" (the land of the pure).



Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

There are even gay and Lesbian Pakistani facebook groups including one Lesbian facebook page from Page whose URL I won't post here as I don't want to advertise it.

Also the famous story of two Pakistani-origin Lesbians in the UK who "married each other".

Pakistani Muslim Lesbians Marry In UK In First Civil Partnership Of Its Kind

Anyway it's hilarious hearing false claims of being "Hinduized" from some Pakistani/Indian troll with an identity crisis as Hinduism/Brahmanism comes from Pakistan/North India.

Brahmanism and its caste system was about keeping Dravidian people in India subjugated and comes from Pakistan/North India.

Bengal was majority Buddhist prior to becoming Muslim. We are right next door to the Buddhist world i.e. Burma, Thailand etc and Buddhism started off in Indi a by a Nepalese prince and Bangladesh was a key transit for Buddhism.

Your society is much more Hinduized than ours with your caste system, village organized gang rapes etc.

You Pakistanis and your obsession with caste is similar to the Indians with caste discrimination rife amongst Punjabis and Sindhis, though not amongst egalitarian Pashtuns.

You even have women who have to pay men dowry.

I could go on and on.

However instead of attacking me and celebrating the genocide and atrocities in Bangladesh in a war you lost, you should worry about helping Punjabis and Pakistan since:

- Pakistan is a land with at least 2 million slaves, third highest in the world.

- Open notorious zone for prostitution (left protected and unharmed by the ISI-sponsored TTP).

- Severe caste discrimination.

Pakistan

You are a clear liar, professional troll and enemy of Pashtuns, Bengalis and Balochis and other Muslim races.

One minute you are an Indian Kashmiri who supports Pakistan, then the next you are a Pakistani who has never set foot inside Indian Kashmir. One minute you want to apologize to Bangladesh, then the next minute Bangladeshis are traitors.

Anyway you could even be an Indian trying to make Pakistanis look bad with your ridiculous behaviour and trolling.

One thing is clear, you are a complete and utter idiot.

1.I didn't know Tikka Khan was not a Pashtun, I thought he was a Niazi, but I was right about Ayub Khan.

2.I admire Pashtuns, not Afghans that hate Pakistan.

3.I don't praise any war crimes, but I do believe that Bengali nationalist did kill innocent people too, there were war crimes committed on both sides, but you're a jingoist, so you won't look at what your people did.

4.Bangladesh owns billions of dollars in debt to India, so it's practically a proxy state for India, and your Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina is an Indian puppet.

5.

You know nothing about Bangladesh, Pashtuns and are just a loud-mouthed, deceitful troublemaker who is here to insult and abuse others and start flame wars.

I know more about Pashtuns than you know, I've interacted with far more Pashtuns than you probably have ever seen in your life, Pashtuns are the second largest ethnic group in Pakistan, they're non-existent in Bangladesh.

The truth is, Bangladesh is more Hinduized than Pakistan, I'm not denying that we have Hindu influences too, but Bangladesh has more Hindu influences than Pakistan.
Bangladesh, a Muslim Country Ruined by Hinduism (Hindu Culture) | Beyond Highbrow - Robert Lindsay


Bangladesh has a big problem with prostitution too, in fact prostitution is LEGAL in bangladesh
Bangladesh brothels: Prostitutes are forced to take steroids | Mail Online

One minute you are an Indian Kashmiri who supports Pakistan, then the next you are a Pakistani who has never set foot inside Indian Kashmir. One minute you want to apologize to Bangladesh, then the next minute Bangladeshis are traitors.

When did I ever say I was an "Indian Kashmiri"?I'm a Kashmiri-Pakistani, and if you had read my previous post properly I said my Grandparents had migrated from there, you need to see a doctor cause you might suffer from dyslexia.

India does not allow any Pakistani to visit occupied Kashmir.

Truth is you hate everything about Pakistan because it makes you feel good about yourself, your jingoism is fueled by your anti-Pakistani sentiments.

[Friends of Baloch]

1The truth is, Bangladesh is more Hinduized than Pakistan, I'm not denying that we have Hindu influences too, but Bangladesh has more Hindu influences than Pakistan.

Punjab and Sind are both steeped in Hindu society and culture, particularly caste system. Look at any "Pakistani" wedding and it all revolves around Hindu traditions. Punjab and Sind are full of strange shrines, tombs and other places dubbed "Sufi" that attract daily thousands of Pakistanis that go there to pratice Hindu customs and superstitions they erroneously call "Sufism".

But so what? This is your culture after all, but you are ashamed of it because of your inherent inferiority complex and insecurity.

Pakis have no culture or identity of their own, they share all these with their bigger brother India. Or maybe we should describe India as your mother?

Typical examples of Punjab's Hindu culture and superstition they try to call "Sufi".

Demand high for Pakistan's 'rat people' - YouTube

[Bengal_Tiger]

No you are mistaken. Elamites were not Dravidians. They were a native Middle Eastern people, probably racially related to Mespotamians, but of an unknown ethnic and linguistic origin. Their language probably developed uniquely in southwestern Iran thousands of years before Iranians migrated there and mixed with them to later give rise to Persians.



Dravidians on the other hand are from the Indian subcontinent. Their ancestors arrived there thousands of years before the Brahmans / Indo-Aryans, but some time after the Aboriginals who were in the Indian subcontinent even earlier.

Not important really especially given the serious crisis in Balochistan, howevever there are different theories including those which support what I said.

Punjabis are not a people or a nation. They are a fabricated ethnic group with no history. These so-called Punjabis are made up of Indian castes like Jats mainly and others that were clumped together into a province that the Mughals gave the name Punjab. Then the British came and conquered this region and drew the borders of Punjab that exist to this day.

Punjabis are just recent converts from the Hindu low castes. When the British first conquered Punjab, most of the population was Hindu and Sikh. You can see the proof this in the British censuses on the 19th century published in the Imperial gazetteer's of British India.

I thought that Punjab when it was conquered by Sikh ruler, Ranjit Singh was majority "Muslim" and despite the 1-5 ratio "Muslim" to Sikh the Sikhs won.

I have met quite a few Punjabis who told me they were 3rd generation Sikhs and recent converts.

If what you say is true about Punjabis being majority Hindu/Sikh and only recent converts to Islam, that is a real eye opener though from everything I know that is not the case.

Coming back to the topic itself i.e. Iran-"Pakistan" bilateral relations despite "EvilPakistani" and his attempts to derail the thread and degenerate it in to a mudslinging competition.

1. Iran as a state and a people look down on "Pakistan" and "Pakistanis" (Punjabis) as inferior.

2. Pakistani nationalists such as Ahmed Qureishi and others often boast (due to their inferiority complex) that they are of "Arab/Afghan/Turk/Iranian" origin, trying to disassociate themselves from the indigenous Indic peoples of their region, ironic given that they could be accused of being invaders rather than locals.

Anyway this is of course nonsense, Punjabis are Indic converts, but the biggest irony is that the Arabs, Afghans and Iranians would want nothing to do with them.

Pakistani nationalists regularly talk about Bangladesh as either once again being part of "Pakistan" or a "friendly" state (i.e. subjugating its national interests to that of Pakistan e.g. having hostile relations with India thus benefitting Pakistan's interests rather than having a normal trading relationship with India as per Bangladeshi interests) but they never talk about federating with Iran.

Why?

If "Pakistanis" are indeed Iranic/Iranian (Pashtuns/Balochis are, but Pakistanis aren't) then why shouldn't they be embraced by their "Iranic" brothers?

- Iran is right next door, Bangladesh is a thousand miles away.

- Iranians are (supposedly) blood brothers of "Pakistanis" and Bengalis are "traitors", "crypto-Hindu" etc.

So why not federate with Iran?

The answer is because despite their propaganda Pakistanis know deep inside Iranians view themselves as a superior nation to Pakistan and despise them and want nothing to do with them. Iran has very good relations with India.

Iran and India both supported the northern alliance against the Pakistani-backed Taliban.

Iran does about 10 times more trade with India than with "Pakistan".

Iran's trade with India is at $13 billion.

3. Iran is a Persian nationalist state with a heavy input from Azeris (such as Khamenei and others) who are loyal to "Iranian nationalism" which believes in the supremacy of Persian culture and language.

It is of course a Shia supremacist state which persecutes Sunnis.

The Iranian regime has support from at least 1/3 of Iranians including the conservative rural masses but is despised by the urban elite.

Iran is oppressing the Balochis of western Balochistan and is unhappy with the Pakistani regime at its inability to control the Iranian-Pakistani border.

The question is what will the Tehran regime do?

They are already furious with the Pakistanis and telling them to control the border tightly.

4. If Balochistan gains its independence then here what we can expect.

a: A small but resource rich state which within a decade or two will become a lower middle-income country and then another Oman or even UAE.

b: Massive investment and support from millions of Balochis from across the diaspora.

c: Good relations with Kurdistan.





Iraqi Kurdistan has one of the fastest growing economies in the world and is virtually independent.

d: Good relations with Bangladesh as long as there is no "Jamat i Islami" in the ruling coalition, which there usually is every five years unfortunately and the Jamat is a tool of "Pakistan".

However even despite these traitors, Bangladesh would definitely have positive relations with Balochistan as it does with Afghanistan and Sri Lanka.

4. A major Arabian gulf hub of trading.

Also if Balochistan gains independence then Sindhi nationalists will pick up guns the next day.

[randolph85]

Warning

Racism won't be tolerated here, keep it as civil as possible. This is directed to the pro Baloch crowd here, your arguments are strong enough already that you don't need to become racist fools.

[Karachi]

^ yeah unnecessary racism against all Indian speaking muslim groups is uncalled for. It basically shows that there is a racial element to this whole divide, rather then just political

[randolph85]

calling paki punjabis black and hindu is not only causing fitna but lying when you know the truth. i am no fan of the punjabi state and am well aware of the crimes committed by their elite against afghanistan and pakistani minorities but cursing an entire people that consists of muslims is unacceptable.

we should be grateful that we have pro pakistani members here that we can debate with instead of alienating everyone so that there is never any true discussion here and no ones political ideas are challenged.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Warning

Racism won't be tolerated here, keep it as civil as possible. This is directed to the pro Baloch crowd here, your arguments are strong enough already that you don't need to become racist fools.

So EvilPakistani can say whatever he wants?

[randolph85]

So EvilPakistani can say whatever he wants?

if he is not throwing out racist stuff in here, then yes.

[Bengal_Tiger]

if he is not throwing out racist stuff in here, then yes.

You are an unfair and biased moderator.

He has said all sorts of stuff about Bengalis including praising our genocide.

Anyway it's clear you support him.

I'm not going to bother wasting my time reading what you have to say.

It's clear you are an unfair, biased moderator (who I have never seen do any moderating except this once, to defend your Pakistani friend who by the way called my nation a "Hinduized" one.)

You've ignored complaints I've made, ignore attacks and provocations against Asad71 when people call him a "rapist" and "war criminal".

Oh by the way, just one piece of advice before I go.

You seriously need to learn how to read Arabic and how to read the Quran.

Bye.

[randolph85]

You are an unfair and biased moderator.

He has said all sorts of stuff about Bengalis including praising our genocide.

Anyway it's clear you support him.

I'm not going to bother wasting my time reading what you have to say.

It's clear you are an unfair, biased moderator (who I have never seen do any moderating except this once, to defend your Pakistani friend who by the way called my nation a "Hinduized" one.)

You've ignored complaints I've made, ignore attacks and provocations against Asad71 when people call him a "rapist" and "war criminal".

Oh by the way, just one piece of advice before I go.

You seriously need to learn how to read Arabic and how to read the Quran.

Bye.

so i am supposed to delete or edit his political posts that you don't like or agree with? if all these kind of posts were deleted then there would be no politics section.

i have seen your reported posts and i have seen his, i haven't deleted either of the reported posts because it was more a case of hurt feelings than an actual infraction.

thanks for subtlely slighting my faith at the end of your post. classy as hell.

[Bengal_Tiger]

so i am supposed to delete or edit his political posts that you don't like or agree with? if all these kind of posts were deleted then there would be no politics section.

i have seen your reported posts and i have seen his, i haven't deleted either of the reported posts because it was more a case of hurt feelings than an actual infraction.

thanks for subtlely slighting my faith at the end of your post. classy as hell.

1. You targeted only the "pro-Baloch" crowd exclusively and made no attempt to impartial or balanced or say anything about EvilPakistani's behaviour.

2. Other people say far far worse in this forum including insulting people's mothers and you do nothing, and I have reported this.

Rednwhite in another thread insulted a Balochi posters mother and the Balochi race in general, but of course you chose to ignore it.
3. You then go on to thank a post against me in another thread made by Karachi.

Anyway you are an Ikhwani, and they are supporters of the rapists and murderers of Jamaat e Islami, their local version in Bangladeshi and Pakistan.

Sorry but you Ikhwanis (Muslim Brotherhood) got defeated in Egypt and Bangladesh (Jamaat, 1971) Muslims in general do not like you (your type) and your party.

Have fun with your friend "EvilPakistani"

BYE.

P.S. Learning to read the holy Quran correctly is an obligation, you who have an avatar linked to a controversial and banned "Islamic" party should be able to read the Quran rather than target posters in an internet forum and ridicule and insult people as you do.

[randolph85]

you have the emotional condition of a 10 yr old. i have answered you in pm's, no need to drag out this silly make believe drama that is basically "how dare u take their side against mine"

[Tiger Khan]

you have the emotional condition of a 10 yr old. i have answered you in pm's, no need to drag out this silly make believe drama that is basically "how dare u take their side against mine"

you are the reason why religeous parties can not be trusted... you should be ashasmed of yourself..