punjabi minister abid sher ali abused pashtuns

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. Yahya Khan was not a Pashtun

Real Pashtuns belong to a "Khel" tribe and consider those who speak Pashto and are resident in Pakhtunkhwa but not from one of the original Pashtun tribes to be inferior.

For example a Yusufzai or Afridi will consider a "Syed" (alleged descendant of the holy prophet solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) to be inferior to him. Though he will respect the prophet (solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and those who claim lineage to him (solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) to a degree, he will still ultimately consider himself superior i.e. Pashtun = superior to non-Pashtun.


A few years ago an American Pakistani from Kohat ran a "Pashtun" forum called "Pashto.org". A Yusufzai who was a former member of that forum told me on MSN in a somewhat contemptuous tone "Mokadaar (forum owner) is not a Pashtun", as this character was a supposed Syed and she looked down on him basically.

Pashtuns also look down on other similar groups of people such as Parachas who are said to be of Arab/Persian origin.

Pashtuns look down on Qizilbashis as not true Pashtuns (they are not, because they are not biologically related to Imraul Qais and are just foreign immigrants).

There are qualitative differences between real Pashtuns and mere Pashto-speakers in Pakhtunkhwa of Hindko, Paracha, Qizilbashi origin.


1. Real Pashtuns belong to a khel (tribe) and can trace their lineage.
2. Real Pashtuns belove in honour and loyalty.
3. Real Pashtuns believe in bravery (Nangyalai and Turyalai)

A real Pashtun believes in honour above pragmatism, in loyalty above surrender.

This mentality is why Pashtuns are less "pragmatic" than Punjabis or from their (and my) perspective more principled, examples.

a: In the 1920s in Iraq, there were Punjabi and Pashtun soldiers serving the British. When the Pashtun soldiers found out the Iraqis were Muslim, they refused to kill them. The Punjabis didn't care.

b: Some Pashtun (and to a degree Balochis as well) soldiers refused to commit atrocities in east Pakistan e.g. a Pashtun unit refused to kill Bengalis when they heard the adhan quoting a hadith that do not kill the people where the adhan is read out.

If you read this thread you can find many quotes from Bangladeshis from a Bangladeshi military forum praising Pashtuns for not carrying out atrocities in East Pakistan (some Pashtuns including an ex-Khudai Khidmatagar) fought on our side.

http://www.khyberwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?8031-Bangladesh-thanks-Pashtuns

Yahya Khan as a non-Pashtun does not have this sort of behaviour, willingness to refuse unjust orders and carry out injustice, this is a Pashtun trait that real Pashtuns e.g. Afridis, Jadoons, Shinwaris etc all have.

Yahya Khan was not, is not, and will never be a Pashtun.

He is a traitor, an alcoholic, a loser (who lost half his country in 1971) and a pervert.

Go to a Durrani or Ghilzai in Afghanistan and they will laugh at such a lowlife being considered a Pashtun.

Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns (especially in FATA) would consider him low-caste as a Qizilbashi.

[Bengal_Tiger]

2. Bangladesh is not an exclusively Bengali state.

a: We have Biharis in senior positions such as our national cricket team.
b: We have Pakistanis (e.g. Sindhis) in senior legal/intellectual positions such as the wife of Kamal Hossain.
c: We have Chakma (Mongoloid) generals and ambassadors.

"Bangladeshi nationalism" means a civic nationalism embracing all people in Bangladesh be they Bengali or non-Bengali.

This is the ideology of the BNP.

"Bengali nationalism" means an emphasism on Bengali-ness as well as an affinity with pan-Bengali sentiment e.g. West Bengal Bengalis.

This is the ideology of some in the Awami League.


3. You people are obsessed with Bangladesh.

Completely and totally obsessed and cannot move on.

Why don't you discuss confederating with your supposed "Aryan brothers", the Iranians next door, rather than targeting Bangladesh and using the Saudi regime to also harass us?

On the internet no Bangladeshi goes to a Pakistani military video thread and makes a comment, but Bengali-hating Pakistanis regularly go to Bangladeshi military video threads and insult us.

Why?

Because they hate us more than we hate them and they are angry over their shameful defeat in 1971.

4. We did not side with India.

Two groups (Bengalis and Punjabis) had a dispute.

Muslim group A: Bengali
Muslim group B: Punjabis

Group A were discrimnated, then won elections and then group B started massacring them.

Group A resisted and fought back.

Then an external power provided support to Group A against group B (Punjabis) and group A gained their freedom.

India sided with us, we did not side with India.

We fought against an oppressive junta and established an independent Muslim state which follows Islamic law in family affairs.

We defeated you and drunkard Yahya Khan just as the Libyans defeated dictator Qaddafi.



Qaddafi defeated by Libyan citizens whom he started killing.



Tikka Khan, Pakistan army defeated by then Pakistani citizens (Bengalis) whom they started killing.

We fought a war of self defence to establish a free and independent Muslim country. We have the largest Islamic gathering in the world where 5 million Muslims come and pray in Dhaka.

You however are a nation of well-known traitors and backstabbers that helped non-Muslims to kill and conquer Muslims.

You supported Ranjit Singh to conquer Muslim Pekhawar (astaghfirullah).

Your army has also murdered and raped more Muslims than Israel.

Al-Qaeda and the Taliban have never had sex camps with Muslim women as sex slaves, whereas the Pakistan army did in 1971.

You are worse than the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

You are a nation of traitors and backstabbers and you were defeated and expelled by us in 1971 despite support from your American, Iranian, Arab, Chinese brothers all helping you.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Even if we follow the fake tow nation theory of pakistan then again since 1971 pakistan is no loger needed cus that thoery drowned deep in the bingal sea.
Many pashtuns leaders admire bingalis for their brave stand against evil army of pakistan.
Recently i met a bingali colonal and he said in the 1971 war a punjabi army major asked a pashtun army officer to rape bingali woman.The pashtun refused and said would ,nt rape cus she is muslim.
Punjabis are not fully converted to islam.Many of them still do,nt eat beef.
This illegal state is now ruled by punjabi establishment with help of westren money for the killing of poor pashtuns in the name of terror.
When i look it to the situation of baluchis in awaran wallah they treated baluchis far worst then palastanians.
Tika khan was racist rajput punjabi.
yaha khan iranian
ayub khan hindko speaker with pashtun background.

You may find the real pashtun there too but we call them traitors.
One last thin

About janah sahib
so he was well educated none muslim parsi.He was a member of congress but the britishes hired him to divide india.Janah was sucessful in his mission with the help of british.
Pakistan was under the queen rule untill 1954.Janah during his owth pledge his loyality to the queen not pakistan.
The evil british punished pashtuns and baluch by giving their land to punjabis.
When pashtuns defeated the british army in khyber the queen send the messege to pashtun divide into pieces and untill this day pashtun inside pakistan are divided into four parts.

Yes this is normal Pashtun behaviour, respecting honour and principles.

1. In London's Finsbury park area there was a fight between Pakistanis and Bengalis over a mosque, a Pashtun uncle fought with the Bengalis.

2. In Oldham in the north of England, Pashtuns helped Bengalis to beat up Mirpuris (Punjabis) who were harassing Bengalis.

In the UAE, Pashtuns hate Punjabis and can't stand them.

Many Pashtuns helped us in the 1971 war from the leader of Pashtuns (Wali Khan, Bacha Khan) to normal Pashtuns based in east Pakistan. An ex-Khudai Khidmatagar fought on our side.

Here is a thread with quotes from Bangladeshi members of a Bangladeshi military forum on Pashtun bravery in the 1971 war:

Bangladesh thanks Pashtuns.

[HalloIsBack]

I am actually disliked by some of the Afghans here because I post news about Bangladesh, my name is "Bengal_Tiger"

who dislike you? well some of members dislike me but you are a muslim.
so what to post news about bangladesh. i don't have any problem with it. it's always good to have lots of different people here on pf so you can increase your knowledge.
bangal_tiger pffffff i love cats and like tigers too. but i'm honest i prefer cats.
and your nave is not provocative.

i'll give you a hug.