afghans refugees to be restteled in north and westren afghanistan

[Pakwatan]

Pakistani General (ret.) about the Tribal Areas and Pakistan - YouTube

[Tiger Khan]

Lol, KPK and Baluchistan(it isn't called Godar) are a part of Pakistan, your pussy army surrendered to the British and handed their land over, so you oeople need to stop crying.

America annexed Texas,Arizona,New Mexico,California,Utah and Colorado from Mexico, yet you don't see any Mexicans crying or begging America to return 'their' land.

There are 3 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan, if they want "their" land back, then they can go back across the Durand line.

Actually, Mexicans do want their land back.. they still call California Mexi cali... Many mexicans move to California, Texas etc becuase they feel this is their traditional homeland.. Also now Spanish is the majority language in some of these states (Texas and California as well)...

See if the pakistani policies do not change many people like Balritanies, Pashtuns, Bluches,, even sindhies would want a seperate country.. A federation is suppose to ensure that most people are happy to be part of a federation.. i THink Pashto, Ounjabi, Balocuhi, Sindhi etc should be official lanaguages of paksitan.. and districts where these groups dominate should be taught in their mother languages..

Also understand that Urdu langauge and Map of Pakistan was not given to us by Quran and HAdith.. it was created by human.. so langauges can be changed to ensure that all stakeholders are happy.. Most countries in the world have multiple official languages.. and the ones that dont have provision for smaller ethnic groups are actually dealing with insurgency.. India and Afghanistan have multiple official languages.. Even in america in areas where spanish is majority, it is being taught in schools and is used on offices as well..

I dont know if you are Muhajir or Punjabi.. If you are muhajir you already know what i will be saying.. and if you are punjabi i hope you would understand what i am about to say.. See Punjabies think punjabi is backward so they dont even teach their own kids punjabi (educated punjabi). Punjabies dont understand the value of languge.. However, we have to realize that both Urdu and Punjabi are not very old lanugauges as opposed to Pashto, Baluchi, Sindhi.. but languge is something that transmit culture from one generation to another.. So when punjabies are told to support other language they feel its a useless excercise and since they make up overwhelming majority in Pakistan everyone else have to suffer because of their inability to understand the gravity of the situation..

Muhajirs in paksitan are a mixed lot from all over ex-hindustan.. alot of them are urdu speaking.. but many are ex non-urdu speaking aswell (who adopted urdu and lost their orignal language). When pakistan was made they were dominating the movement and political parties and were able to impose urdu languge on everyone in the resultant country.. Now since they dont have any roots in pakistan.. and strong homogenous ethnic identity.. they want everyone to be like them.. ie. nobody.. And if someone propagate the idea of other languages as official and to be taught in school etc.. they get branded as anti-pakistan.. So i hope you understood what i am saying.

Finally, the time of invading and occupying other peoples territory is over.. If all baluchs think that they do not want to be part of Pakistan .. no force on earth can stop them for seceding.. USA the super power can not control afghanistan, which is one of the most poorest country in the world..Or Iraq, Or Veitem etc etc.. Pakistani army can not control the Taliban (Bastrds) in Fata, not even in one agency or BLA in Baluchistan… And understand if someone secede they wont just leave their land to you.. the land is theirs and will go with them.. so if Baluchistan or Sind or Pashtunistan secedes they would take their land with them.. Please do not think too highly of Pakistan Army.. things have to be sorted with dialogue and policies, and cannot be done through force..

[EvilPakistani]

B-stan is called godar in the pashto language. And nobody surrendered to anybody expect you my daal khor friend. But you see, the durrand line treaty expired back in the early 1990's so legealy it doesn't belong to you anymore. Everybody in Pakistan wants to be seperate , nobody wants to be part of that hell hole of a country.

Anyways I wondered what motivated a paki like yourself to join a mostly anti paki forum.

And mexico is a horrible example. The Mexicans practicly surrendered their land to USA after the Mexican-American war. you should have used the Palestine Israel conflict which practicly proves my point but that would come in conflict with your sleezy agenda.

Your country surrendered, nothing can change that fact, the Durand line treaty may have expire in the early 90s, but you had your agreement with Britain not Pakistan.

The whole world recognizes the Durand line apart from the Afghans, I believe the Afghans need to move on, and improve their country instead of expanding it.
Durand Line is border, says US - DAWN.COM

If it was a disputed border, the UN security council would have taken up the case, but it isn't, so you people need to get over it.

Whoever said "everybody" in Pakistan wants to separate?

I have Sindhi friends that love Pakistan, and I know Seraikis,Punjabis,Hindkowans,Gilgitis,Pashtuns,Muh ajirs and even Baluchis.

There are separatist movements in almost every country, if you take a look at your country, there is a lot of ethnic conflict.

"Anyways I wondered what motivated a paki like yourself to join a mostly anti paki forum."

I joined this forum, because I noticed a lot of the people here are ignorant and hateful about Pakistan, so I'm here to debunk your myths,conspiracy theories and set the record straight.

It's funny you call this site an "anti-Paki" forum, I thought this was "Pashtun forums" where you people talk about your culture, but I guess you're obsessed about Pakistan so you can call it "anti-Paki" forum.

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. I think this Pakistani nationalist troll may be "Armstrong" from defence.pk

2. This is a Pashtun forum and there are whole sub-fora devoted to the Pashto language, learning Pashto, Pashto poetry, Pashto history.

Obviously Pakistani nationalists and racists will not be liked here and what the Pakistani regime does affects Afghans in their daily lives and as a country.

3. EvilPakistani/Armstrong has praised the 1971 genocide and the "butcher of Bengal" a.k.a. "butcher of Balochistan" Tikka Khan, whose mass slaughter shocked even fellow war criminal Niazi.

So obviously he will feel alienated as a racist, fascist and supporter of war crimes in this forum.

[Pakwatan]

1. I think this Pakistani nationalist troll may be "Armstrong" from defence.pk

2. This is a Pashtun forum and there are whole sub-fora devoted to the Pashto language, learning Pashto, Pashto poetry, Pashto history.

Obviously Pakistani nationalists and racists will not be liked here and what the Pakistani regime does affects Afghans in their daily lives and as a country.

3. EvilPakistani/Armstrong has praised the 1971 genocide and the "butcher of Bengal" a.k.a. "butcher of Balochistan" Tikka Khan, whose mass slaughter shocked even fellow war criminal Niazi.

So obviously he will feel alienated as a racist, fascist and supporter of war crimes in this forum.

My friend, your nation Bangladesh is free. So impress the world now that you are free. Why are you hanging on forums?

It's been 42 years. What has your nation accomplished now?

[Bengal_Tiger]

My friend, your nation Bangladesh is free. So impress the world now that you are free. Why are you hanging on forums?

It's been 42 years. What has your nation accomplished now?

1. Biggest NGO in the world, BRAC, helping millions including in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

2. Largest number of UN peacekeepers in the world including in Africa, Asia, Europe who have built mosques, clinics etc.

Out of respect both Liberia and Sierra Leone have made Bengali an honourary official language due to the behaviour of these peacekeepers, who also train soldiers from other countries.

3. 5th highest rate of economic growth in the world if you count from 2008 to now after China, Turkey, Singapore and Brazil.

4. Rates of improvement in health at rapid pace not seen since the Meiji period in Japan i.e. when Japan was targeted by western powers and embarked on modernization in the 19th century.

5. Noble prize winner whose system of micro-finance is admired all over the world, Muhammad Yunus.

6. Female prime minister, foreign minister, home minister, speaker and 20% of all seats in the parliament reserved for females.

7. Largest Islamic gathering in the world, around 5-6 million Muslims (mainly Bengali) meeting every year in the Dhaka ijtima.

8. Higher improvement in HDI (Human Development Index) than either India or Pakistan.

9. Parliamentary democracy for almost quarter of a century with parties being voted in and out by the electorate, something which has still not happened in the Arab world, only happened once in Pakistan (this year), which preceded Indonesia (which embraced democracy in 1998).



Arab Spring, no real democracy in most of the Muslim world let alone female prime ministers.

10. Second biggest garments industry in the world after China, with garments being an indispensable necessity that everyone in the world needs, with Bangladesh's share of the garments market only set to grow.

11. Only Muslim country on earth to have its own script when many allege that Islam is just a form of Arab cultural imperialism, Bangladesh is an example to refute this. It has the largest Islamic gathering in the world, the most number of Islamic scholars (Bangladesh is the 3rd largest Muslim country on earth and has more madrassas than Indonesia and Pakistan) on earth.

Pakistan the 2nd largest Muslim country has around 40,000madrasas (Islamic schools that produce students who have memorized the entire Quran and Islamic sciences), Bangladesh has at least 40,000 officially but in reality probably 90,000 madrassas.

In 1947 there were only 189 madrassas in Pakistan.[3] In 2002 the country had 10,000-13,000 unregistered madrassas with an estimated 1.7 to 1.9 million students.[4] A 2008 estimate puts this figure at "over 40,000".[3]

Madrassas in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As of 2006, there were approximately 15,000 registered Qawmi madrasahs in Bangladesh,[5][7] with 200,000 (2 lakh) teachers educating 4,000,000 (40 lakh) students.[7] Actual figures are unknown[2]b and Qawmi madrasas do not keep enrollment records.[6] Moreover, it has been argued that if unregistered Qawmi madrasahs were counted then it could put the total number of Bangladeshi madrasahs as high as 64,000 —suggesting that Qawmi madrasahs outnumber their official Alia counterparts[5] (of which 25,201 existed in 2004

Qawmi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Bangladesh has more Islamic scholars than any other country in the world (in terms of completion of basic Islamic sciences) and around 65,000 madrassas, more than 1.5 times as much as Pakistan.

Despite this we are the only Muslim country on earth to have our own alphabet.

1. Indonesia - largest Muslim country, uses Latin script
2. Pakistan - 2nd largest Muslim country uses Perso-Arabic (nastalikh)
3. Iran - Perso-Arabic
4. Malaysia - Latin
5. Turkey - Latin
6. Azerbaijan - Latin
7. Somalia - Latin
8. Azerbaijan - Cyrillic
9. Kazakhstan - Cyrillic
10. Uzbekistan - currently Cyrillic, though officially to be Latin

So despite being pious Muslims, we have our own rich language and literature, script and are not Arab-wannabes, even the Persians and Turks don't have their own script.

I could go on and give other examples of our many successes since we defeated and expelled the American-backed Pakistan army from Bengal in 1971, but I won't.

P.S. I was invited to this forum by two Pashtuns and am a moderator on another Pashtun forum where I rarely talk about Pakistan or Punjabis.

[randolph85]

why do you weirdos assume that exclusively pashtun areas would be some kind of utopia and harbor a renaissance in pashtun culture or something? show me any exclusively pashtun district or province in afg or pak where they are doing any better than a mixed area. there are no ahmad shah babas coming out of fata.

[Tiger Khan]

why do you weirdos assume that exclusively pashtun areas would be some kind of utopia and harbor a renaissance in pashtun culture or something? show me any exclusively pashtun district or province in afg or pak where they are doing any better than a mixed area. there are no ahmad shah babas coming out of fata.

Man you are in a wrong forum.. go to some fudamentalist website.. most people here are nationalists.. whether they agree to it or not.. i am nationalist.. so go to a place where there are people like yourself.. go to islamacity its a good website..

[Khilji]

So Afghans want to commit genocide against Hazaras?

If you guys want establish a Pashtoon-only state then you should give the North and Western parts of Afghanistan independence.

Hazaras are not Afghans not Pakis ,they want independence? They can go home to the Steppe where they was captured as slaves by Changez Khan.

[khushal]

Hazaras are not Afghans not Pakis ,they want independence? They can go home to the Steppe where they was captured as slaves by Changez Khan.

hazaras were not slaves of Changez khan, they are descendents of Chengez khan.

[khushal]

Man you are in a wrong forum.. go to some fudamentalist website.. most people here are nationalists.. whether they agree to it or not.. i am nationalist.. so go to a place where there are people like yourself.. go to islamacity its a good website..

but he is right though. What nationalist has brought progress.

[EvilPakistani]

Hazaras are not Afghans not Pakis ,they want independence? They can go home to the Steppe where they was captured as slaves by Changez Khan.

The Shia Hazaras in Pakistan are Pakistani , they are an ethnic group, not a nationality although you could argue that they aren't Afghan cause most people here think all Afghans are only Pashtuns, but in Pakistan you can be any ethnic group.

Ever heard of Muhammad Musa, he was the Chief of Pakistan's army, and Sarah Batool was the first female airforce pilot in Pakistan.

[Khilji]

The Shia Hazaras in Pakistan are Pakistani , they are an ethnic group, not a nationality although you could argue that they aren't Afghan cause most people here think all Afghans are only Pashtuns, but in Pakistan you can be any ethnic group.

Ever heard of Muhammad Musa, he was the Chief of Pakistan's army, and Sarah Batool was the first female airforce pilot in Pakistan.

shia hazaras in pakistan are not welcome specialy not by the locals and in afghanistan the same and yeah some pashtuns was even president in pakistan who cares.and all afghans are pashtuns.

[Khilji]

hazaras were not slaves of Changez khan, they are descendents of Chengez khan.

if they would be descendents of changez khan than they would all look like mongolians but they are half mongols with a half mongol faces now if you claim no because abdur rahman khan raped them with his soldiers and made them to this than you are totaly crazy like those hazaras who says stuff like that.you even dont have a proof that they are descendents of changez khan.

[khushal]

http://www.triposo.com/section/Hazara_people

Genetically, the Hazara аre primarily eastern Eurasian wіth western Eurasian genetic mixtures. While іt has been found thаt "at least third tо half оf theіr chromosomes аre оf East Asian origin, PCA places them between East Asia аnd Caucasus/Middle East/Europe clusters". Genetic research suggests thаt the Hazaras оf Afghanistan cluster closely wіth the Uzbek population оf the country, while both groups аre аt а notable distance frоm Afghanistan's Tajik аnd Pashtun populations. There іs evidence оf both а patrimonial аnd maternal relation tо Mongol peoples оf Mongolia. Mongol male аnd female ancestry іs supported by studies іn genetic genealogy аs well, whіch hаve identified а particular lineage оf the Y‑chromosome characteristic оf people оf Mongolian descent . Thіs chromosome іs virtually absent outside the limits оf the Mongol Empire except among the Hazara, where іt reaches іts highest frequency anywhere. These results indicate thаt the Hazara аre аlsо characterized by very high frequencies оf eastern Eurasian mtDNAs аt 35%. whіch аre virtually absent frоm bordering populations, suggesting thаt the male descendants оf Genghis Khan, оr оther Mongols, were accompanied by women оf East Asian ancestry. Women оf Non-eastern Eurasian mtDNA іn Hazaras аre аt 65% mоst whіch аre West Eurasians аnd sоme South Asian