Your opinion on Dostum

[کیش]

The fat fuk needs several rounds of bullets in his fat a$$. That's my opinion on him.

[gadoonwal]

do,nt kill dostum by bullet just feed him to the wolf and dogs.]
He is not a human.In fact he dose,nt look like one.

[Khorosani]

one of the jabbars (tyrants) who will be destroyed by Al Jabbar.

[DSM0305]

america attacked afghanistan, not chatalistan. dostum is supported by turkey, and america. so i don't see where you are going with this, you are trying to excuse karzai for letting a mass murderer walk free and trying to divert attention by bringing up the taliban.

I agree with everything you said. The only thing I don't agree with you about is that you blaming all this on Karzai. What do you expect from Karzai, he is doing what is in his power. The problems lays at Americans and northern alliance. As a group northern alliance is strong and with the help of America, they cannot be stopped by anyone but the people themselves.

[khushal]

I agree with everything you said. The only thing I don't agree with you about is that you blaming all this on Karzai. What do you expect from Karzai, he is doing what is in his power. The problems lays at Americans and northern alliance. As a group northern alliance is strong and with the help of America, they cannot be stopped by anyone but the people themselves.

If you cant tell NATO and the NA haq, then your only option is to resign.

[DSM0305]

If you cant tell NATO and the NA haq, then your only option is to resign.

Politics aren't so simple as you trying to make them. You are trying to imply that politics is all about ''it my way or the high way''. Which is long from the truth. Anyone who looks at politics this way, will never success.

Basically politics is all about getting your opinion, ideology, policy (you name it) into the society/government. It not always that you have many options or choices, but you either create those options for yourself or you choose the one that you get most of.

An example. If option A don't give you anything you want, and option B gives only 2% of what you want, then a good politician will choose option B. Even though that option B didn't give much of what he wanted, but by simply using logic he knows that 2% is better than 0%.

It better doing something slowly than not doing something at all. You have to get the best out of what you got.

[randolph85]

Politics aren't so simple as you trying to make them. You are trying to imply that politics is all about ''it my way or the high way''. Which is long from the truth. Anyone who looks at politics this way, will never success.

Basically politics is all about getting your opinion, ideology, policy (you name it) into the society/government. It not always that you have many options or choices, but you either create those options for yourself or you choose the one that you get most of.

An example. If option A don't give you anything you want, and option B gives only 2% of what you want, then a good politician will choose option B. Even though that option B didn't give much of what he wanted, but by simply using logic he knows that 2% is better than 0%.

It better doing something slowly than not doing something at all. You have to get the best out of what you got.

this holds true for domestic politics when it is assumed the government wasn't installed and kept on life support by foreign powers, not a country where the president was personally and publicaly protected by foreign bodyguards for several years until he could find a few afghans in a country of 30 million afghans to protect his life. when a presidents domestic policies can be vetoed by foreigners, that man has no right to call himself a leader and the institution becomes worthless.

[DSM0305]

this holds true for domestic politics when it is assumed the government wasn't installed and kept on life support by foreign powers, not a country where the president was personally and publicaly protected by foreign bodyguards for several years until he could find a few afghans in a country of 30 million afghans to protect his life. when a presidents domestic policies can be vetoed by foreigners, that man has no right to call himself a leader and the institution becomes worthless.

Politics aren't limited to internal affairs. In politics you do what needed to be done, to get the desired outcome. Basically anyone and anything is for you to use, the limit lays solely on the options available.

When USA invaded Afghanistan back in 2001, they didn't even set foot in Afghanistan. They made the northern alliance do the dirty work and they themselves was bombing safely from the sky.

Northern alliance got power as result and America didn't loss a man. And both parts got their desired result of overthrowing taliban from power.

So in the end it doesn't matter who is involved in what. As long you get what you want, because people will use each other regardless to get what they want.

Basically politics is all about taking advantage of others. It a victory if you have gained more than your counterpart. And it is a success if you gained something that you otherwise wouldn't have.

[khushal]

Politics aren't so simple as you trying to make them. You are trying to imply that politics is all about ''it my way or the high way''. Which is long from the truth. Anyone who looks at politics this way, will never success.

Basically politics is all about getting your opinion, ideology, policy (you name it) into the society/government. It not always that you have many options or choices, but you either create those options for yourself or you choose the one that you get most of.

An example. If option A don't give you anything you want, and option B gives only 2% of what you want, then a good politician will choose option B. Even though that option B didn't give much of what he wanted, but by simply using logic he knows that 2% is better than 0%.

It better doing something slowly than not doing something at all. You have to get the best out of what you got.

In politics, you have hard power(force) and soft power(hearts and minds). Karzai who is just a tool has neither because in reality NATO has the hard power in Afghanistan and the Taliban have the soft power.
So the party with the hard power has tried to gain soft power where they were fighting for hearts and minds. They failed because they lack the knowledge on the approach. The Taliban who are from the area succeeded with ease from the soft political power approach because they have the knowledge to deal with their own people. NATO's best chance of securing soft power in the country was from 2002-2004. This is where NATO failed.

Karzai, who is surrounded by corrupt people and NATO who does not listen to him really had little chance from the beginning which is why I said that if he cant tell his masters on how to deal with his own people, he should resign. If your on a trajectory of a losing strategy, then why stick with it unless you enjoy seeing your own people suffer. Its not about "its my way or the highway," its more about, if you want me to be a part of this then we have to do it the correct way otherwise I don't want to be a part of it.

In a situation where one cant subdue the other, what usually happens is the one with the soft power has to wait out the one with the hard power because the one with the hard power cant use it forever and that is exactly what the Taliban are doing.

[gadoonwal]

if afghanistan is pashtun watan how come pashtuns leader there team up with the killer of pashtuns dostum khan?
He was the top army officer in ana.
They are killing their own pashtuns like rats in the name of talibs while the killers enjoying leadership in that country.
Even if ordinary pashtuns with gun got killed the next day he become talib in afghan media.
These tajik,uzbiks and hazara warlords are far worst then those wahabi talibs.
The wahabi talibs sponsered by ,,isi, and the warlords are the pupet of russia,iran and india.
So whats the differance?
why is this double standered against pashtuns there.

why not stand against all evils?
can you?
no
The reality is that the pashtuns are treated like 2nd and even 3rd class cetizins of afghanistan.
One should go and see the infrastructure in the north and westren herat province of afghanistan.
It dose,nt matter you have someone with pashtun background setting in palace serving other,s interests like nawkar and can,nt even speak his language in front of them.

like once wali khan said,,,,wraka de shey wenza chi da wenzay jaamay wenzey,,,

pashtuns on both side are suffering.
these pashtunforum members here from afghanistan living in the west are living in fact in the past.

[khushal]

^^are you drunk? none of what you say makes sense.

[gadoonwal]

^^are you drunk? none of what you say makes sense.

It makes alot of sense if you check our history and current situation.

For pashtuns it make sense ,yes.

[gadoonwal]

Did,nt abdurahman sold his land for pounds to britishes?
Did,nt pashtuns invited russains to afghanistan?
Did,nt pashtun talibs got weapons and support from pakistan to serve paki interests?
was it not pashtun karzai serve the interests of west ?
Did,nt Rabani and masood got support from iran and russains to kill fellow afghans?
Now,
The criminals tajik,uzbik and hazaras warlords enjoy the freedom and respect in afghanistan.They are allowed to take part in any process.They are called loyals.
While the pashtuns are dying in the name of talib.
If pashtun talib is hiding so tajik and uzbiks warlords should be treated the same way.
This double standred must be stoped.
You left pashtun into the hands of ,,isi,,.
These criminals must be brought into justice.
They should be band from any public service.
In the whole of afghanistan a poor malalay joya of farah is btter then those wearing big and heay turban so called pashtuns ca,nt even defend its people.
She has the gutts to speak against these evils.
Find me a single word wrong here with logic?

[Tiger Khan]

I THINK DOSTUM, AHMAD SHAH MASSOUD and ISMAEL KHAN are all criminals..

[Khostai]

Did,nt abdurahman sold his land for pounds to britishes?
Did,nt pashtuns invited russains to afghanistan?
Did,nt pashtun talibs got weapons and support from pakistan to serve paki interests?
was it not pashtun karzai serve the interests of west ?
Did,nt Rabani and masood got support from iran and russains to kill fellow afghans?
Now,
The criminals tajik,uzbik and hazaras warlords enjoy the freedom and respect in afghanistan.They are allowed to take part in any process.They are called loyals.
While the pashtuns are dying in the name of talib.
If pashtun talib is hiding so tajik and uzbiks warlords should be treated the same way.
This double standred must be stoped.
You left pashtun into the hands of ,,isi,,.
These criminals must be brought into justice.
They should be band from any public service.
In the whole of afghanistan a poor malalay joya of farah is btter then those wearing big and heay turban so called pashtuns ca,nt even defend its people.
She has the gutts to speak against these evils.
Find me a single word wrong here with logic?

What do you expect from your warriors of Islam? They made Jihad and they won, with help of US of course and now they are doing what they want.