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  • #16
    stop living in fools Paradise

    Originally posted by Karachi View Post
    considering he wrote this on the other thread, without any evidence:

    Afghan-Sikh Wars

    Afghan-Sikh Wars were fought between the Sikh Empire and the Durrani Empire .

    1) Battle of Attock 13 July 1813 Sikh Victory
    2) Battle of Multan March 1818 Sikh Victory
    3) Battle of Shopian 3 July 1819 Sikh Victory
    4) Battle of Nowshera March 1823 Sikh Victory
    5) Battle of Jamrud 30 April 1837 Sikh Victory
    6) Battle of Peshawar (1834) Sikh Victory


    1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Attock Sikh empire Victory
    2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Multan Sikh empire Victory
    3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shopian Sikh empireVictory
    4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nowshera Sikh empire Victory
    5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jamrud Sikh empire Victory
    6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...war_%281834%29 Sikh empire Victory
    Last edited by Mir Baloch; 10-09-2013, 09:47 AM.

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    • #17
      kindly dont mislead the people

      Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
      Funny thing is, baloch people didn't even come into existent until the 14th century. Heck they're not even the original people of Godar.

      Baloch are descendant of hazrat ameer hamza first settlement in saudi arabia to Aleppo then to iraq where they remained until, siding the sons of Ali and taking part in the Battle of Karbala, they were expelled by Yazid, the second of the Umayyad Caliphs, in 680 AD. Thence they first went to Kerman, and eventually to Sistan where they were hospitably received by Shams-ud-Din, ruler of that country. According to Dames there was a Shams-ud-Din, independent Malik of Sistan, who claimed descent from the Saffarids of Persia who died in 1164 AD (559 AH) or nearly 500 years after the Baloch migration from Aleppo. Badr-ud-Din appears to be unknown to history. His successor, Badr-ud-Din, demanded, according to eastern usage, a bride from each of the 44 bolaks or clans of the Baloch. But the Baloch race had never yet been tribute in this form to any ruler, and they sent therefore 44 boys dressed in girls' clothes and fled before the deception could be discovered. Badr-ud-Din sent the boys back but pursued the Baloch, who had fled south-eastwards, into Kech-Makran where he was defeated at their hands. At this period Mir Jalal Khan, son of Mir Jiand the first, was the ruler of all the Baloch. He left four sons, Rind, Lashar, Hooth, and Korai, and a daughter Jato, who married his nephew Murad. These five are the eponymous founders of the five great divisions of the tribe, the Rinds, Lasharis, Hooths, Korais,Kubras and Jatois.

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      • #18
        listen to me kiddy

        Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
        Thanks smarty,
        This fake baluch is anti-pashtun.He even call queta a baluch city which is wrong.Queta is pashtu word ,,,kota,,,85% of kotawal are pakhtuns.The baluchis are migrated there.I admire baluchis for the war on punjabi state and we should support them but they need to know that their baluchistan is in the south.
        Enough of wa wah for him on this forum.
        Baluchis spread from the zahedan region.Some of their tribes are pashtuns by origin such as mengal.Later their migration to present day Qalat where khan of qalat founded this state.Untill the British raj there was no land in the name of Baluchistan.The Britishes divided the afghan-pashtun land and declared it Baluchistan.

        ur in majorty in quetta no doubt but the thing is Ahmed shah abdali gifted it to khan of kalat of that noori naseer khans mother bibi maryam then when British was in balochistan khan of kalat Ahmed yar khan gave it to British on lease u cant call it a pashtun district its a baloch district basically cause in pashtun and baloch society some thing is given then not taken back

        The Mengal tribe is one of the largest Brahui Speaking Baloch tribe. Mengal people speak Brahui, a Dravidian language that has been heavily influenced by other Iranian languages spoken in the area, especially Balochi.[1][2] The Mengal are now closely linked to the Baloch people, with whom they have substantially intermingled and whose cultural traits they have absorbed. The tribe can be divided in two major branches: Zagar Mengal and Shahizai Mengal.

        Tribal area

        The Mengal tribal area is around 70,000 square miles (180,000 km2), stretching from the Helmand River in the North to Lasbela District in the south, and bordering on the province of Sindh to the east.

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        • #19
          read this yar

          Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
          Thanks smarty,
          This fake baluch is anti-pashtun.He even call queta a baluch city which is wrong.Queta is pashtu word ,,,kota,,,85% of kotawal are pakhtuns.The baluchis are migrated there.I admire baluchis for the war on punjabi state and we should support them but they need to know that their baluchistan is in the south.
          Enough of wa wah for him on this forum.
          Baluchis spread from the zahedan region.Some of their tribes are pashtuns by origin such as mengal.Later their migration to present day Qalat where khan of qalat founded this state.Untill the British raj there was no land in the name of Baluchistan.The Britishes divided the afghan-pashtun land and declared it Baluchistan.

          Quetta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia











          Last edited by Mir Baloch; 10-09-2013, 10:05 AM.

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          • #20
            name of balochsuatn was turan before

            Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
            may be,who knows.
            Turan, the medieval Islamic name for the region what is now Baluchistan before , one of the khan of kalats changed turan region name to Baluchistan i think it was noori naseer khan Ahmedzai Baloch 1
            Last edited by Mir Baloch; 10-09-2013, 11:35 AM.

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            • #21
              We should ignore Mir Balouch.. he is probably some punjabi or tajik or sh*t head like that.. Also Sikh rule lasted for just 50 years... while durrani, ghurieds, Khilji, lodhi, durrani, hotaks, suri,, were all pashtuns..
              What really drives me hazy is it me or are the others crazy

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              • #22
                Ghurids were persians not Afghans

                Originally posted by Tiger Khan View Post
                We should ignore Mir Balouch.. he is probably some punjabi or tajik or sh*t head like that.. Also Sikh rule lasted for just 50 years... while durrani, ghurieds, Khilji, lodhi, durrani, hotaks, suri,, were all pashtuns..

                The Ghurids or Ghorids (Persian: سلسله غوریان‎; self-designation: were a native Sunni Muslim dynasty of Eastern Iranian, possibly Tajik origin, which established rule over parts of modern day Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan from 1148 to 1215.[5] The dynasty succeeded the Ghaznavid Empire.[6] Their empire was centered in Ghor Province or Mandesh, in the center of what is now Afghanistan. It encompassed Khorasan in the West and reached in the East to northern India, as far as Bengal.[7] Their first capital was Fīrūzkūh in Ghor, which was later replaced by Herat[2] while Ghazni[3] and Lahore were used as additional capitals, especially during the winter seasons. They are known as patrons of Persian culture and heritage.[8]
                The Ghurids were succeeded in Persia by the Khwārazm-Shāh dynasty and in northern India by the Mamluk dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate.




                SURI DYNASTY OVERTHROWN BY MUGHUAL EMPEROR HUMAYUN WITH THE HELP OF BALOCH IN 1556

                Ahmed shah abdali established Durrani empire with the help of baloch durrani dynasty overthrown by Sikh empire at the end


                khilji dynasty was a Turkish dynasty not afghan ot turkic-afghan for that matter

                lody dynasty overthrown by mugual emperor babur in 1526

                Nader Shah of Khorasan overthrown the hotaki dynasty in 1738



                The Khilji dynasty (Persian: سلسله خلجی‎; Hindi: सलतनत ख़िलजी) or Khalji was a Muslim dynasty of Turkic origin who ruled large parts of South Asia between 1290 and 1320.[2] It was founded by Jalal ud din Firuz Khilji and became the second dynasty to rule the Delhi Sultanate of India. Under Ala-ud-din Khilji, the Khiljis became known for having repeatedly defended South Asia against the Mongol invasions.[3][4]


                The Lodhi dynasty (Lodhi (Pashto: لودي)) (Pashto: د لوديانو واکمني‎) was an Pashtun dynasty that ruled northern India, including modern day Pakistan, from 1451 to 1526. It was founded by Bahlul Khan Lodi when he replaced the Sayyid dynasty and ended after Ibrahim Lodi was defeated by Babur from Kabulistan in the 1526 Battle of Panipat. It was during the period of the Lodi's that the first Portuguese Armada under Vasco da Gama landed in India.

                The Hotaki dynasty was established in April 1709 by Mir Wais Hotak after leading a successful revolution against the Persian Safavids in Kandahar. It was an Afghan monarchy that lasted until 1738 when Nader Shah of Khorasan defeated Hussain Hotaki during the long siege of Kandaha
                Last edited by Mir Baloch; 10-09-2013, 01:12 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mir Baloch View Post
                  The Ghurids or Ghorids (Persian: سلسله غوریان‎; self-designation: were a native Sunni Muslim dynasty of Eastern Iranian, possibly Tajik origin, which established rule over parts of modern day Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan from 1148 to 1215.[5] The dynasty succeeded the Ghaznavid Empire.[6] Their empire was centered in Ghor Province or Mandesh, in the center of what is now Afghanistan. It encompassed Khorasan in the West and reached in the East to northern India, as far as Bengal.[7] Their first capital was Fīrūzkūh in Ghor, which was later replaced by Herat[2] while Ghazni[3] and Lahore were used as additional capitals, especially during the winter seasons. They are known as patrons of Persian culture and heritage.[8]
                  The Ghurids were succeeded in Persia by the Khwārazm-Shāh dynasty and in northern India by the Mamluk dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate.



                  SURI DYNASTY OVERTHROWN BY MUGHUAL EMPEROR HUMAYUN WITH THE HELP OF BALOCH IN 1556

                  Ahmed shah abdali established Durrani empire with the help of baloch durrani dynasty overthrown by Sikh empire at the end


                  khilji dynasty was a Turkish dynasty not afghan ot turkic-afghan for that matter

                  lody dynasty overthrown by mugual emperor babur in 1526

                  Nader Shah of Khorasan overthrown the hotaki dynasty in 1738



                  The Khilji dynasty (Persian: سلسله خلجی‎; Hindi: सलतनत ख़िलजी) or Khalji was a Muslim dynasty of Turkic origin who ruled large parts of South Asia between 1290 and 1320.[2] It was founded by Jalal ud din Firuz Khilji and became the second dynasty to rule the Delhi Sultanate of India. Under Ala-ud-din Khilji, the Khiljis became known for having repeatedly defended South Asia against the Mongol invasions.[3][4]


                  The Lodhi dynasty (Lodhi (Pashto: لودي)) (Pashto: د لوديانو واکمني‎) was an Pashtun dynasty that ruled northern India, including modern day Pakistan, from 1451 to 1526. It was founded by Bahlul Khan Lodi when he replaced the Sayyid dynasty and ended after Ibrahim Lodi was defeated by Babur from Kabulistan in the 1526 Battle of Panipat. It was during the period of the Lodi's that the first Portuguese Armada under Vasco da Gama landed in India.

                  The Hotaki dynasty was established in April 1709 by Mir Wais Hotak after leading a successful revolution against the Persian Safavids in Kandahar. It was an Afghan monarchy that lasted until 1738 when Nader Shah of Khorasan defeated Hussain Hotaki during the long siege of Kandaha
                  Stop quoting from wikipedia you moron! and there was no such thing was a baloch before the 14th century.
                  "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                  -Old Pashtun proverb




                  "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tiger Khan View Post
                    you do.. thats why you responded..
                    you are an attention-seeker.
                    [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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                    • #25
                      Mir baloch is pasting same un-authentic fabricated stuff on several forums, all of his non-sense is about glorification of balochs at the expense of degrading pashtuns.
                      It is difficult to read his non-sense but the summary of his claims are,
                      1- Mir nasir khan baloch defeated durranis and captured kandahar (wtf?)
                      2- Kalat was never a vassal state of durrani empire
                      3- ahmad shah abdali gifted quetta to khan of kalat (wtf?)
                      4- it was due to balochs that durranis were able to conquer punjab, kashmir and sindh and due to balochs they won panipat war.
                      5- mir chakar rind defeated sher shah suri (wtf?), he helped hamayun to win delhi again (lol).
                      6- On pakistani forum he is saying that balochs are very patriotic pakis, he is thankful to pak army for coming to help awaran earth quake affecties.
                      7- Quetta is baloch city which is infested by illegal afghans.
                      [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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                      • #26
                        if u dont believe me read the shahnema of firdousi 940 – 1020 CE)

                        Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                        Stop quoting from wikipedia you moron! and there was no such thing was a baloch before the 14th century.

                        Hakīm Abul-Qāsim Ferdowsī Tūsī (Persian: حکیم ابوالقاسم فردوسی توسی‎, most commonly known as Ferdowsi (فردوسی) ; also spelled as Firdausi or Firdusi; 935 – 1025 CE), was a highly revered Persian poet. He is the author of the Shahnameh, the national epic of Iran and the Persian-speaking world







                        READ SHAHNAMEH OF FIRDAUSI OR ASK ANYONE who knows about firdousi he did talk about baloch in his famous shahnameh swear to God


                        BALOCH in persian means cocks comb or Crest and the baloch troops who faught for Astyages or Kai Khusrau(585-550) BC were wearing helmets with cocks comb crest,they got the nickname of the baloch.while listing the warriors of Kai Khusrau,Firdousi mentioned the baloch under the comand of general Ashkash As follows :


                        next after gustaham came shrewd askash
                        endowed with prudent heart and ready brain,his
                        his troop was from the wanderers of the koch and
                        baloch wearing exalted cocks comb crests very rams
                        to fight,no one had seen their backs in the battle or
                        one of their fingers bare of armour,their banner was a
                        pard with claws projecting,akash felicitated Kai
                        khusrau at large upon the happy turn of fortune

                        Shahnama -e- Firdousi

                        Ferdowsi described the baloch as part of the army of cambyses (siahwash),son of kai kaouse of the Achaemenid Dynasty



                        BALOCH WERE PART OF MILITARY FORCES OF EMPEROR CYRUS ,XERXES AND cambyses Achaemenid Dynasty
                        Achaemenid Empire

                        Last edited by Mir Baloch; 10-14-2013, 02:04 PM.

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                        • #27
                          keep living in fools Paradise

                          Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                          Mir baloch is pasting same un-authentic fabricated stuff on several forums, all of his non-sense is about glorification of balochs at the expense of degrading pashtuns.
                          It is difficult to read his non-sense but the summary of his claims are,
                          1- Mir nasir khan baloch defeated durranis and captured kandahar (wtf?)
                          2- Kalat was never a vassal state of durrani empire
                          3- ahmad shah abdali gifted quetta to khan of kalat (wtf?)
                          4- it was due to balochs that durranis were able to conquer punjab, kashmir and sindh and due to balochs they won panipat war.
                          5- mir chakar rind defeated sher shah suri (wtf?), he helped hamayun to win delhi again (lol).
                          6- On pakistani forum he is saying that balochs are very patriotic pakis, he is thankful to pak army for coming to help awaran earth quake affecties.
                          7- Quetta is baloch city which is infested by illegal afghans.


                          keep living in denial i have given u so many neutral references and sources and prove if u still dont belive me i dont care

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                          • #28
                            [MENTION=17173]Mir Baloch[/MENTION]
                            Have you checked the book section of this forum? You wont find such books about balochs on any other forum. Afghan/pashtun members here have always supported the struggle of balochs against their exploitation and mistreatment at the hands of punjab dominant establishment. Atleast two baloch members here are thankful for afghanistan's role in helping baloch 'freedom fighters'. You are too much fixated on the glorification of balochs that you are ignoring historical and cultural ties between balochs and pashtuns. Strangely your guns are not directed towards punjab, why? If you are a genuine baloch then you have to give lot of explainations, your robotic copy/pasting wont be accepted.
                            [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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                            • #29
                              he is not a baloch. he has an agenda....


                              prolly a tajik sajik bubble gum or a panjabi with an agenda to spread hate

                              he is spreading lies like sikhs...

                              or he could be a panjabi isi agent.

                              dont listen to him
                              جی وا ترا بلوچ ، ذندان بلوچ ، کلو واتنییے
                              G wa tra Baloch , Balochistan Zindabad

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                              • #30
                                baloch-afghan brother

                                Originally posted by Smarty View Post
                                @Mir Baloch
                                Have you checked the book section of this forum? You wont find such books about balochs on any other forum. Afghan/pashtun members here have always supported the struggle of balochs against their exploitation and mistreatment at the hands of punjab dominant establishment. Atleast two baloch members here are thankful for afghanistan's role in helping baloch 'freedom fighters'. You are too much fixated on the glorification of balochs that you are ignoring historical and cultural ties between balochs and pashtuns. Strangely your guns are not directed towards punjab, why? If you are a genuine baloch then you have to give lot of explainations, your robotic copy/pasting wont be accepted.
                                i respect yes baloch afghan are brother but u have to except the achievements of baloch nation like we except urs plz i request u to get everything verified from neutral sources that i shared with u i swear to god u will find me right except the Alexander one that was my mistake sorry for that and plzzz dont insult and abuse us dont call us lotter dakos because we dont call u that we respect u and u also have to respect us
                                Last edited by Mir Baloch; 10-10-2013, 04:35 PM.

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