Pakistan needs a name change!

[M17ArnoBaloch]

Lol my dear uzbek friend.

Defence.pk baloch members are my sources.

anyway My Baloch people of Pakistan dont need a certificate from a uzbek.

your pathetic like the rest of the uzbek of your country

No,havent been upto kalat yet.though planning to visit gwadar someday.
had been to quetta many times before and 2 times this year.

I am not uzbek my friend.

I am baloch,

Why do you think if a Baloch oposes Pakistan is an tajik/uzbek or an indian agent. Which i have been called many times here.

seriously, go to Balochistan find it yourself. Seriously, get some exposure.

good luck with your gay pakistan 60 years old.

[NiMade Olga]

You never know. There are so many spies around here with different fake names.

Ohm one more with the conspiracy theory... Is it a virus on this forum that everyone see a troll and spy behind every person?


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[NiMade Olga]

good luck with your gay pakistan 60 years old.

By the way, what makes me surprised is that you are always mentioning gay things. It looks very unhealthy...


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[M17ArnoBaloch]

Ohm one more with the conspiracy theory... Is it a virus on this forum that everyone see a troll and spy behind every person?


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it's not really a conspiracy theory. It has happened many times here. Ask the admin.

[randolph85]

i am still wondering why a russian is defending pakistan so strongly while pakistanis themselves like baloch and millions of others are so opposed to it, and rightfully so.

[NiMade Olga]

it's not really a conspiracy theory. It has happened many times here. Ask the admin.

Really? But what for they came here and what was the harm from them? I'm really puzzled now...


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[NiMade Olga]

i am still wondering why a russian is defending pakistan so strongly while pakistanis themselves like baloch and millions of others are so opposed to it, and rightfully so.

That is simple
Pakistan is a country where I spent full 7 years and where I got mature. It is a country which gave me most important lessons in my life. The country which gave me best and worst days in my life. I came there first at 2002 and left at 2012, and I was in the center of all what was happening there. I was living with local people and was sharing with them house, food, worries and happiness. Yes, I'm Russian, but Pakistan is my country and I am a part of it. And doesn't matter at which part of the world I am today, I always will consider Pakistan as my home land.


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[Kushan Prince]

i am still wondering why a russian is defending pakistan so strongly while pakistanis themselves like baloch and millions of others are so opposed to it, and rightfully so.

Simple.

She's a troll.

[Kushan Prince]

such an amateur member you are.

pathetic i must say

LOl truth hurts doesn't it?

[waterbear_waterbear]

Pakistan should be renamed Punjab-Sindh or North West Rajasthan.... or Like
Suba Rajasthan (how NWFP used to be Suba Sarhad), because Most Punjabis, Most Urdu-speaking Mohajirs and Most Sindhis are predominantly Kshaytiya caste Aryans or Rajputs, so it fits well...

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

LOl truth hurts doesn't it?

No but you sound like a school kid.

this happens everywhere?do you know where Pakistan is ranked in HDI ranking and where afghanistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I am not uzbek my friend.

I am baloch,

Why do you think if a Baloch oposes Pakistan is an tajik/uzbek or an indian agent. Which i have been called many times here.

seriously, go to Balochistan find it yourself. Seriously, get some exposure.

good luck with your gay pakistan 60 years old.

your not baloch but either uzbek or a indian hindu

I had met many Baloch.And they are very patriotic.though they are real baloch not some wannabe uzbek like you.

Pakistan by name is 60years old though pakistan by geography and our civilization is more than 5000 years old

Google about Pakistan civilization or Indus valley civilization

or google about mehrgarr civilization.studies suggest that pakistani might be the descendent of whole of north,western and half of central indians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pakistan

grow up kid and learn some history

Also google about the map of Pakistan.the INDUS valley civilization map is what today Pakistan with only slight difference

[Bengal_Tiger]

your not baloch but either uzbek or a indian hindu

I had met many Baloch.And they are very patriotic.though they are real baloch not some wannabe uzbek like you.

Pakistan by name is 60years old though pakistan by geography and our civilization is more than 5000 years old

Google about Pakistan civilization or Indus valley civilization

or google about mehrgarr civilization.studies suggest that pakistani might be the descendent of whole of north,western and half of central indians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pakistan

grow up kid and learn some history

Also google about the map of Pakistan.the INDUS valley civilization map is what today Pakistan with only slight difference

1. The Pakistani army and establishment use Islam to give themselves legitimacy and to deny completing claims or interests legitimacy. Thus people are indoctrinated in to Pakistani nationalism and it is held that "opposing Pakistan (interests of feudal-military elite)= opposing Islam"
Islam has to be emphasized as it is the common factor - the only common factor - that the different ethnic, linguistic and racial groups of Pakistan have in common.

2. Anyone who disagrees with Pakistani nationalists is thus automatically an Indian or a Hindu.
The Pakistani elite labels anyone who opposes their interests as a "traitor" or loyal to India. This was the case with Bengali politicians before 71 who were labelled traitors merely for pointing out the injustices happening in the country (e.g. East Pakistan had majority population and recieved 1/3 of the budget).

3. We see this on the internet as the Pakistani nationalist above labels the Balochi from Quetta (who is from the Shehwani tribe of Baloch) as an "Indian" and a "Hindu".
A year or two ago the Pakistani nationalist internet troll "Jana" (a journalist from Pakistani which makes one question Pakistani "journalism") on another forum even called one of the administrators here an Indian, though he is in fact a Yusufzai Pakhtun from Pakhtunkhwa (Bls).

4. The Pakistani nationalist who then labels the one who disagrees with him as an "Indian" and a "Hindu" thus lives in delusion and a false reality.
So for example in 1970-71, Bengalis had no legitimate grievances and everything was an evil plan launched by the wicked India and Hindus. The super-duper Pakistan army was winning the war and everyone in Lahore and Karachi was happy and then....on 16th December their state propaganda machine which had been telling them of non-stop victories announced their defeat and surrender.



Pakistani nationalists couldn't believe it.

Pakistani nationalists need to stop labelling all those who disagree with them as "Indian" and "Hindu" and declaring people as non-Muslims.
They in turn after calling people non-Muslims for decades now have their army declared as a non-Muslim, apostate army by the TTP.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

1. The Pakistani army and establishment use Islam to give themselves legitimacy and to deny completing claims or interests legitimacy. Thus people are indoctrinated in to Pakistani nationalism and it is held that "opposing Pakistan (interests of feudal-military elite)= opposing Islam"
Islam has to be emphasized as it is the common factor - the only common factor - that the different ethnic, linguistic and racial groups of Pakistan have in common.

2. Anyone who disagrees with Pakistani nationalists is thus automatically an Indian or a Hindu.
The Pakistani elite labels anyone who opposes their interests as a "traitor" or loyal to India. This was the case with Bengali politicians before 71 who were labelled traitors merely for pointing out the injustices happening in the country (e.g. East Pakistan had majority population and recieved 1/3 of the budget).

3. We see this on the internet as the Pakistani nationalist above labels the Balochi from Quetta (who is from the Shehwani tribe of Baloch) as an "Indian" and a "Hindu".
A year or two ago the Pakistani nationalist internet troll "Jana" (a journalist from Pakistani which makes one question Pakistani "journalism") on another forum even called one of the administrators here an Indian, though he is in fact a Yusufzai Pakhtun from Pakhtunkhwa (Bls).

4. The Pakistani nationalist who then labels the one who disagrees with him as an "Indian" and a "Hindu" thus lives in delusion and a false reality.
So for example in 1970-71, Bengalis had no legitimate grievances and everything was an evil plan launched by the wicked India and Hindus. The super-duper Pakistan army was winning the war and everyone in Lahore and Karachi was happy and then....on 16th December their state propaganda machine which had been telling them of non-stop victories announced their defeat and surrender.



Pakistani nationalists couldn't believe it.

Pakistani nationalists need to stop labelling all those who disagree with them as "Indian" and "Hindu" and declaring people as non-Muslims.
They in turn after calling people non-Muslims for decades now have their army declared as a non-Muslim, apostate army by the TTP.

Well,No.May be you still think Pakistan or Pakistanis are same what they were decades before.

Pakistanis has changed.we have gone through a transformation period.

He just post without facts such as the claim about No baloch in Baloch regiment while i know there are many baloch in baloch regiment

Baloch are just 3% of Pak population while they represent almost 4% of pak army.And in 2012-13 this was set to rise to 7%.

Pashtuns again are slightly less than 15% of pak population while 22% in army and some sources even suggest of them being 35%.

For Tribles pashtuns.The armed forces has decreased the eligibility critera to only 50-55% of FSc marks.

well i wanted to get into army but because of no permission from parents.i didnt applied.Many of my friends applied and of them half or more were non pashtun.of them only 2 of my friends are selected.

One is mehsud and the other banusi.

what i meant is that they prefer now Baloch and pashtun more and more in army

Lt General tariq Khan will either be the COAS(nov 2013) or DG ISI(2016).he's from tank, i dont know about his tribe but the local usually there are bhittanis

About Bangladesh
I guess Pakistan should apologize for what they did in Bangladesh

the generals and leaders of that time were damn racist.they thought they are 2nd to none.which lead to this problem

But the partition of pakistan was done wrong.Pakistan would had been better with getting whole of kashmirs and or punjab than a land thousands of miles away with no land link.and surrounded by india from all side

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. I don't mind if a Pashtun is loyal to Pakistan. As far as I know, I might be wrong, the Waziris and Mehsuds did not even like Ahmed Shah Abdali (rahmatullahi 'alaih) much and thus were not loyal to the newly created state of "Afghanistan", which like Pakistan was at that time a separate nation.

The point is being Pashtun and following Pashtunwali does not necessarily mean believing in a greater Afghanistan ideology.

Waziris and Mehsuds, the tribal sort would dislike both people from Pekhawar and Kabul and in their one way regard themselves as superior.

This superiority feeling would only increase if they see the Persianized nature of Mahmudzai Kabulis (a friend of mine was a Mahmudzai Kabul related to Zahir Shah) or "Pathans" (desified Pashtuns) in Peshawar and elsewhere.

2. My friend is a Yusufzai from Peshawar, an ANP member, a Pashtun nationalist but also works for the Pakistan army in the defence sector.

Afzal Khan Lala's son is in the army and I challenge anyone here to go to his face and question his Pashtunwali.

A while back in this forum we had an Afridi, a proud Pashtun, who was "loyal" to Pakistan, but not unquestioningly loyal, he was definitely Pashtun first, "Nokia Apridey".

Pukhtun Zway Yam da Baba - YouTube

3. My problem is with "dil dil Pakistan" types who unquestioningly follow the Zaid Hamid style narrative promoted by the army/ISI/nationalists e.g. anyone who disagrees with you is an "Indian", "Hindu" or "CIA/RAW/Mossad agent".

Such fools and "Pathans" will lead Pakistan and Pashtuns to disaster