Is India in Afghanistan to help develop our economy or for there own interests?

[شمله ور خراساني]

When did I assume the worst of muslims? When did I suck up to "urine drinking" mushriks? When did I cheerlead them? When did I incite people to attack fellow muslims? Better yet tell me when I even spoke ill towards Islam?

You have beef with those other nationaliyaan go take it up with them...don't go taking out your anger and frustration out on me. Manana

BTW Ottomans like any Islamic rule had their ups and down...they did good and went through some bad as well.

You and all other nationalists are alike. There is no distinction between you or any other nationalist.

You all sing the same old song over and over again.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

using wisdom does not mean, hop on the lap of kuffaar.

If you have no other means, that does not mean you have to befriend the enemies of your religion in order for you to gain worldly gain.

Exactly, The Punjabi Establishment has hurt Afghans alot, and I hate them for this, and there will be many who would Tajiks, Uzbeks, and so on. but that in no way means we should just go over to the Russians, Indian or Americans and make them our helpers and best buddies.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

You and all other nationalists are alike. There is no distinction between you or any other nationalist.

You all sing the same old song over and over again.

Sangar the same can be said about you. And what do you mean alike? When did I side with mushriks and when did I insult islam? Like I told you before, don't take your frustrations out on me...don't take your dislike of ANP or whatever out on me. You have a problem with them, keep it there, don't bring it to me. I am not interested nor do I care about their song or your song. Daa khabarae noro tha kawaa maa bandae ma obassa.

[KhalsaWarrior]

As an Indian, I thought I'd share my perspective on the issue -
I think its a grave misconception that India is trying to use Afghanistan to bring down Pakistan. While I dont mind paying the ISI back for what they have done in India, I dont think India is doing that. What they are doing however is building alliances with the Afghan people and the Afghan govt. The reason I used the two terms sperately is that they are separate. I dont need to list the things that GoI is doing in Afghanistan. Its there for all to see. And ultimately as somebody pointed out its the Afghan people's prerogative to decide on Indian presence. If they dont want it, they wont be here. Is Indian presence seen as an occupying or a maleovalent prsence b the Afghans themselves? I dont think so. If that was the case then we would have seen daily attacks on the 3000 or so Indian workers/buereaucrats/Army Liaisons in Afghanistan.

And to Pakistani or ISI symphatizers here. Pakistan forced India's hand by using the Jihadi/Taliban machinery to churn out terrorist attacks into India. I think its quite fair for India to try and reduce Pakistan's influence and stall the Jihadi assembly lines by striking at the heart of the problem in Afghanistan against the Taliban.

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

As an Indian, I thought I'd share my perspective on the issue -
I think its a grave misconception that India is trying to use Afghanistan to bring down Pakistan. While I dont mind paying the ISI back for what they have done in India, I dont think India is doing that. What they are doing however is building alliances with the Afghan people and the Afghan govt. The reason I used the two terms sperately is that they are separate. I dont need to list the things that GoI is doing in Afghanistan. Its there for all to see. And ultimately as somebody pointed out its the Afghan people's prerogative to decide on Indian presence. If they dont want it, they wont be here. Is Indian presence seen as an occupying or a maleovalent prsence b the Afghans themselves? I dont think so. If that was the case then we would have seen daily attacks on the 3000 or so Indian workers/buereaucrats/Army Liaisons in Afghanistan.

And to Pakistani or ISI symphatizers here. Pakistan forced India's hand by using the Jihadi/Taliban machinery to churn out terrorist attacks into India. I think its quite fair for India to try and reduce Pakistan's influence and stall the Jihadi assembly lines by striking at the heart of the problem in Afghanistan against the Taliban.

can you explain the bold part. I thought it was the other way around.

[KhalsaWarrior]

Very nicely said Kamal(JihadFS)

both India and Pakistan are enemy states of Pashtuns. We need education, we need politicians that serve our interests.

Princess, in today's scenario, it would be foolish to term anybody as your friend or enemy. Look at India, India was supposed to be US's enemy during the Cold War but now we are seen as their ally (sic). Look at China, they are antagonistic towards the US about the Taiwan issue, but they trade in billions with them annually and prop up their Dollar.

There are no permanent friends or enemies. Realpolitik wins everywhere.

[KhalsaWarrior]

can you explain the bold part. I thought it was the other way around.

Sure. You want me to list the names of Pakistanis involved in terrorist attacks in India? Just Google the list of Pakistani terrorist organizations banned by the UN. 90% of them are directed towards India. They have harbored terrorists and sympathizers who openly give press statements and address rallies asking people to wage Jihad on India. Hamid Gul, ex-ISI head has owned up to his actions in weakninig India multiple times on TV. Masood Azhar, relased by India during the Kandahar hijacking later founded Jaish-e-Mohammed. Syed Salahuddin, founded Hizbul Mujahideen. And yes, the top of the charts. Lashkar-e-Toiba. All of these people are based on Pakistani soil.

[KhalsaWarrior]

Brother what about you Indians using Afghanistan trying to commit terrorism in our land?

Please quote sources my friend. I have heard that accusation often from Pakistanis but with surprising little evidence apart from passing off local guns and ammo as Indian.
Where are the names of Indian operatives? Where are the proofs? And if Pakistani govt is so confident in its accusations, why doesnt it hold a press conference in front of the global media and show what they have? All they keep on saying is that we have "substantial" proof and will share it when the time comes! Or we have shared it with the "necessary parties"!

And another reason is think India cant do a lot of proxy fighting from Afghan soil is the US factor. The US and the ISAF, as control freaks as they are will never allow India to undermine their authority by running terrorist camps against Pak. Moreover, Pak is still their main ally in the WoT and they wont let India damage this alliance.

To be honest, I dont think India is an angel. There must be something going on. But I dont suspect its anything more than helping BLA.

[KhalsaWarrior]

KW,
India wants to see Pakistan as divided as possible that is why they supported Bengalis.

You are correct to an extent. However, ask the Bengalis and they will tell you that India only provided support and it was them who did all the fighting.

But again, there's a difference in using your own country in case of '71 and using a foreign country like Afghanistan. And I dont think India is doing it. The objective might be the same - to decrease Pak's influence in the region, but the methods seem to be more non-violent and positive.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Talibs showing their true colours again. These trash who suffer from the post soviet syndrome are suffering because they are worthless, America used them, Pakistan hasnt stopped using them, they now feel that they no more get the backing that they use to get, so they play with peoples emotions through Islam to deceive you and bring you to hate others who have nothing to do with you.



Sangar, this is why people leave Islam.

You state do not take jews and christians as your friends?

But you are allowed to be educated by them,enjoy their human rights and civil liberties, you are allowed to be trained in military warfare by them to attack another superpower but you tell us you cant be friends with them.

Muslims and Islam is a completely Hipocritical System that needs alot of reformation because most of what it preaches is clear contradictions and not suited for the modern world.

India they say will be the next super power in Asia and these ****-ISI-Talibs cant muster this so they start spreading the whole Anti Indian agenda for which I couldnt care less as I am not a supporter of India nor Indians, but If India can be successful following a Non Religionous Secular System where by both Hindus and Muslims co exist without ISI stiring trouble up then why cant we all follow the same system and get the same results, but noooo the Mullahs wont allow this, they want us to never progress but bow down to Arabs and preach terrorist litrature.

India is building Schools,Roads, Hospitals and they have teachers who are making Afghan children learn to write and study while Pakistan sends Haqqanis, Mullah Omars, Lashkar E Tayba, Punjabi terrorists and suicide bombers to Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa to destroy Afghanistan,Attack the government and put place a friendly Pakistani Islamist Government.

Kind Regards

[єѕαρχαι]

Please quote sources my friend. I have heard that accusation often from Pakistanis but with surprising little evidence apart from passing off local guns and ammo as Indian.
Where are the names of Indian operatives? Where are the proofs? And if Pakistani govt is so confident in its accusations, why doesnt it hold a press conference in front of the global media and show what they have? All they keep on saying is that we have "substantial" proof and will share it when the time comes! Or we have shared it with the "necessary parties"!

And another reason is think India cant do a lot of proxy fighting from Afghan soil is the US factor. The US and the ISAF, as control freaks as they are will never allow India to undermine their authority by running terrorist camps against Pak. Moreover, Pak is still their main ally in the WoT and they wont let India damage this alliance.

To be honest, I dont think India is an angel. There must be something going on. But I dont suspect its anything more than helping BLA.

Sardar jee , i belong to tarbela dam(worlds largest earthfilled dam) , strategically very important. In my life time they have caught 5 RAW agents here . Last time it was a 25 years old chick , was pretending to be a psycho . But later they traced her call and retrieved lots of data from her digital camera . Now she is chilling with ISI

Regards

[شمله ور خراساني]

You are correct to an extent. However, ask the Bengalis and they will tell you that India only provided support and it was them who did all the fighting.

But again, there's a difference in using your own country in case of '71 and using a foreign country like Afghanistan. And I dont think India is doing it. The objective might be the same - to decrease Pak's influence in the region, but the methods seem to be more non-violent and positive.

why isn' India feeding its own poor? How come millions of people are starving on the streets of any major city in India, and yet Hindus have found time and money to go around and support others?

[Khan Gul]

using wisdom does not mean, hop on the lap of kuffaar.

If you have no other means, that does not mean you have to befriend the enemies of your religion in order for you to gain worldly gain.

My learned friend, are you suggesting that Islam is a religion that advocates hate? In other words, should I assume Islam's philosophy as either you are the follower of Islam or you are an enemy? Please enlighten me.

[Master Khan]

I don't trust India, I mean look what they are doing in Kashmir.
I want them out of Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa.

[شمله ور خراساني]

My learned friend, are you suggesting that Islam is a religion that advocates hate? In other words, should I assume Islam's philosophy as either you are the follower of Islam or you are an enemy? Please enlighten me.

No.

Islam does not advacate hate. You are choosing to go down this road to throw the typical Western propaganda at me.

This is a clear case.

Pashtun nationalists side with non-Muslims, people who have expressed outward enimosity to Islam, Shariah and have persecuted Muslims.

Because Pashtun Nationalist expect to gain worldly matters by siding with the non-Muslims.

When you confront such people with facts from the Quran where the ayat of Quran clearly state that we are not allowed to ally ourselves with non-Muslims, people suddenly act as dramaqueens and shout extremism or even go as far as claiming Islam preaches hate.

This is the rhetoric designed to demonize Islam. Because we as Muslims suppose to derive knowledge from the Quran. And when such funamental issues in Islam are labeled as hatred, it is clear what the motive of such people is.

Nationalists want us to denounce Islam and become puppets and stooges of the crusaders.