Is India in Afghanistan to help develop our economy or for there own interests?

[JihadFiSabilillah]

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu

The Pashtun Society of Afghanistan along with Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Pakistan have consistently been taken advantage of. We have witnessed our misconception's for helping The U.S and Pakistan combat the Soviets (The wannabe superpower and colonizer). In recent past, I have been examining posts and I'm disgusted by reason of the way we please the Indians. Id rather accept help from a Punjabi as a matter of choice than a Hindu. I just look down on contemptuously when an Indian strives to befriend us and assume to be our greatest friend of all times.

Our Afghanistan at this point, isn't the greatest with Karzai in the kings chair. Our Intelligence isn't comparable to other modern Intelligence agencies just yet. As a matter of fact, our Intelligence Chief Amrullah Saleh is a filthy lie himself. Amrullah Saleh for the duration of his time with the Afghan Intelligence Agency, had been a prolonged friend of RAW Agency. He was testified to have been generating many complications for our Afghanistan. He Had been planned up by RAW Agency and has been found guilty for supporting Anti Pashtun tasks from beginning to end of his profession.

Why is it that we come by wrongfully informed and then taken advantage of. I'm just bringing this up considering the encouragement that some of us give India, while they have been mimicking whatever other foreign countries have done with us.

Correct me If I'm wrong. Assalamu Alaikum

[lalala]

Id rather accept help from a Punjabi as a matter of choice than a Hindu.

this is the flaw in your argument, what would indians care about who Afghans befriend one way or another if they weren't sure that should they fail to befriend Afghans we would instead befriend punjabis?


the fact is you must remain neutral, we do not have to choose between punjabis and indians, let them have their wars and destroy each other


their problems are not ours and a punjabi is no more interested in the future of Afghans than an indian


these two desi nations seek to use Afghans in their games with each other as the britons and americans did before them or the britions and the russians

the fact is their battles have no benefits to us


Afghans would be fools to yet again take sides in the wars of foreigners which have no relation to us, we must learn neutrality in matters of no concern to us


hopefully they will destroy each other on their own borders

[JihadFiSabilillah]

Hello Shlombay, Its me Kamal Khan. For The reason that you may have an incomparable perspective on this issue, doesn't mean I hate you and you hate me.

Back to topic:

Furthermore, In other words I’m proposing to say we Pashtuns do “Not” wish for public help. Every time we attain help from neighboring/western countries, we have been offered hell.

And yes, this goes to Pakistan as well. Even though I wasn't referring to getting help from Pakistan. I don't expect anything good coming out of Pakistan, since it has money magnet Politicians.

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Kamal wrora I think you are confusing certain points here. First off, Indian and hindu are not exclusive and we shouldn't pretend they are. Second of all, it is not an issue of panjabi vs hindu, but your interests v others. Third of all, interests trump any petty feelings, so if anyone who wants to invest in our land (be they even pakistan) should be welcomed provided our interests are aligned with theirs. If not, we reject it.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

Correct me If I'm wrong. Assalamu Alaikum

You arent wrong on a single thing.

Among the many things you said, One specifically got my attention, i.e. a RAW/Indian Hindu is our friend but a Punjabi is our blood enemy.

For as much as I hate the Punjabi Establishment, this bolded line represents what many here especially die hard Nationalists firmly believe to the level of Iman-e-Mufassil.

Indians are not evil nor am I a hater of Hinduism. I respect Indians and their religion, but this blind hatred for Punjabis and declaring them Kafirs and our greatest misery and so on only makes people like me hate those who say such things.

All those Nationalists who think they can make more people come to their fold, be sure this mode of thinking will cut away many from you especially those in the Khyber Pukhtunkhwa who know you lie to your core.

[lalala]

You arent wrong on a single thing.

Among the many things you said, One specifically got my attention, i.e. a RAW/Indian Hindu is our friend but a Punjabi is our blood enemy.

For as much as I hate the Punjabi Establishment, this bolded line represents what many here especially die hard Nationalists firmly believe to the level of Iman-e-Mufassil.

Indians are not evil nor am I a hater of Hinduism. I respect Indians and their religion, but this blind hatred for Punjabis and declaring them Kafirs and our greatest misery and so on only makes people like me hate those who say such things.

All those Nationalists who think they can make more people come to their fold, be sure this mode of thinking will cut away many from you especially those in the Khyber Pukhtunkhwa who know you lie to your core.

can you enlighten us on any good that punjabis have done for Afghans or even Pashtuns within their own borders?



you seem like you might be a paksitani nationalist parading as a pashtun

your threats of desertion to the punjabi side are of no value. Afghanistan is entitled to what is rightfully its own and what traitors think about it is of no importance.

[شمله ور خراساني]

No body here supports Indians. We support anyone who want to help us.

سُوۡرَةُ الاٴعرَاف

وَٱلَّذِينَ تَدۡعُونَ مِن دُونِهِۦ لَا يَسۡتَطِيعُونَ نَصۡرَڪُمۡ وَلَآ أَنفُسَہُمۡ يَنصُرُونَ

Al-Araf
"And those whom you call upon besides Him (Allâh) cannot help you nor can they help themselves." (197)

[شمله ور خراساني]

Kamal wrora I think you are confusing certain points here. First off, Indian and hindu are not exclusive and we shouldn't pretend they are. Second of all, it is not an issue of panjabi vs hindu, but your interests v others. Third of all, interests trump any petty feelings, so if anyone who wants to invest in our land (be they even pakistan) should be welcomed provided our interests are aligned with theirs. If not, we reject it.

سُوۡرَةُ المَائدة

۞ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تَتَّخِذُواْ ٱلۡيَہُودَ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰٓ أَوۡلِيَآءَ*ۘ بَعۡضُہُمۡ أَوۡلِيَآءُ بَعۡضٍ۬*ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمۡ فَإِنَّهُ ۥ مِنۡہُمۡ*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهۡدِى ٱلۡقَوۡمَ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ

Al-Maeda
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Auliyâ’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Auliyâ’), then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust). (51)

[BLS_1919v2.0]

سُوۡرَةُ المَائدة

۞ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تَتَّخِذُواْ ٱلۡيَہُودَ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰٓ أَوۡلِيَآءَ*ۘ بَعۡضُہُمۡ أَوۡلِيَآءُ بَعۡضٍ۬*ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمۡ فَإِنَّهُ ۥ مِنۡہُمۡ*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهۡدِى ٱلۡقَوۡمَ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ

Al-Maeda
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Auliyâ’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Auliyâ’), then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust). (51)

Manana for the ayaah...but what I said doesn't contradict it. If a hindu, sikh or anyone wants to bring positive change/investment, I don't see a problem.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Manana for the ayaah...but what I said doesn't contradict it. If a hindu, sikh or anyone wants to bring positive change/investment, I don't see a problem.

it does. You expect that a non-muslim can bring positive change in your life. This is prohibited in Islam.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

it does. You expect that a non-muslim can bring positive change in your life. This is prohibited in Islam.

non-muslims have been a part of muslim economies for a long time. So it is not prohibited. Many Armenians, Greeks, and Jews were part of the business class in the Ottoman empire. You are confusing two things.

[شمله ور خراساني]

non-muslims have been a part of muslim economies for a long time. So it is not prohibited. Many Armenians, Greeks, and Jews were part of the business class in the Ottoman empire. You are confusing two things.

Did I say that we are not allowed to do business with non Muslims?

You ally yourself with anyone, hindu, murtad, mushrik whatever. You do so because you expect benefits from them.

You go around saying that Taliban are ISI proxies. But at the same time you and your fellow Nationalists suck up to mushrik cow urine drinking and cow dung worshiping RAW agents.

You rather assume the worst of your fellow Muslims and believe any lie you hear about your own fellow Muslims. And assume the best of all non-Muslims. And rely on non-Muslims and expect help and support from non-Muslims.

And if it is possible, you nationalists will probably rise up in arms against Muslims. Just like your fellows, Afghan Mellatis & Khalqis did in Afghanistan.


BTW: ottoman empire was one of the worst examples of Islam in practice.

And

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Did I say that we are not allowed to do business with non Muslims?

You ally yourself with anyone, hindu, murtad, mushrik whatever. You do so because you expect benefits from them.

You go around saying that Taliban are ISI proxies. But at the same time you and your fellow Nationalists suck up to mushrik cow urine drinking and cow dung worshiping RAW agents.

You rather assume the worst of your fellow Muslims and believe any lie you hear about your own fellow Muslims. And assume the best of all non-Muslims. And rely on non-Muslims and expect help and support from non-Muslims.

And if it is possible, you nationalists will probably rise up in arms against Muslims. Just like your fellows, Afghan Mellatis & Khalqis did in Afghanistan.


BTW: ottoman empire was one of the worst examples of Islam in practice.

And

When did I assume the worst of muslims? When did I suck up to "urine drinking" mushriks? When did I cheerlead them? When did I incite people to attack fellow muslims? Better yet tell me when I even spoke ill towards Islam?

You have beef with those other nationaliyaan go take it up with them...don't go taking out your anger and frustration out on me. Manana

BTW Ottomans like any Islamic rule had their ups and down...they did good and went through some bad as well.

[Khan Gul]

سُوۡرَةُ الاٴعرَاف

وَٱلَّذِينَ تَدۡعُونَ مِن دُونِهِۦ لَا يَسۡتَطِيعُونَ نَصۡرَڪُمۡ وَلَآ أَنفُسَہُمۡ يَنصُرُونَ

Al-Araf
"And those whom you call upon besides Him (Allâh) cannot help you nor can they help themselves." (197)

By quoting this verse from Qur'aan Sangara, what are you trying to prove? To sit idle and do nothing? To leave our problems and mess to Allah to sort and handle?
Remember, we live in Dar-ul-Asbaab, i.e., that is to say, we are required to plan, learn, to use our wisdom, to employ all available means to improve our lot and to hope from Allah for the desired results.

[شمله ور خراساني]

By quoting this verse from Qur'aan Sangara, what are you trying to prove? To sit idle and do nothing? To leave our problems and mess to Allah to sort and handle?
Remember, we live in Dar-ul-Asbaab, i.e., that is to say, we are required to plan, learn, to use our wisdom, to employ all available means to improve our lot and to hope from Allah for the desired results.

using wisdom does not mean, hop on the lap of kuffaar.

If you have no other means, that does not mean you have to befriend the enemies of your religion in order for you to gain worldly gain.