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  • UK backs out of military action against Syria - USA going in alone.

    Syria crisis: loss of vote 'devastating blow' to Prime Minister








    David Cameron has ruled out any British involvement in an attack on Syria after the shock defeat last night of a motion designed to pave the way for military intervention.

    The defeat of the motion by 13 votes came after 30 Tory MPs joined ranks with Labour and was described as "a devastating blow" to the PM’s authority by The Guardian.

    The result has forced the US to consider going it alone in any assault on the Assad regime and will place "some strain" on relations between Whitehall and Washington, Defence Secretary Philip Hammond said.
    An attack could still take place however after the US responded to the Commons deafeat by saying it will act in its "best interests" in dealing with the Syria crisis.

    "Countries who violate international norms regarding chemical weapons need to be held accountable," a White House spokesman said.
    US Secretary of State John Kerry said Washington could not be held to the foreign policy of others.

    The Daily Telegraph’s political editor Robert Winnett points out that the defeat of the motion, by 285 votes to 272, is the first time since the 1956 Suez crisis that an opposition has failed to support government plans for a deployment of the armed forces and highlights “the deep mistrust of official intelligence in the wake of the Iraq war”.

    During the debate yesterday Cameron argued strongly for intervention, urging MPs to watch a series of videos apparently showing the gruesome aftermath of what Syrian rebels and their Western backers say was a chemical strike.

    But after the motion was defeated, the PM acknowledged the will of the Commons and the electorate, and told Labour leader Ed Miliband he would not use Royal Perogative powers to go-ahead with a strike.
    "I strongly believe in the need for a tough response to the use of chemical weapons but I also believe in respecting the will of this House of Commons," Cameron said.

    "It is clear to me that the British parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the Government will act accordingly."

    The Independent says the vote leaves Cameron's foreign policy in "disarray" and will raise new questions over his leadership.
    The paper says the vote will "dismay the Obama administration, which is now likely to press ahead without the UK, perhaps as early as this weekend".

    One US military official said after the vote: “We care about what the UK thinks. We value the [parliamentary] process but we're going to make the decision we need to."
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  • #2
    Unlike the 2003 buildup into Iraq, I have not seen or talked to a single American who is in favor of military intervention, other than the usual dopes (John Kerry, McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc)
    په پښتو ژبه ټایپ کول تاسو غواري؟ بيا داسې وکړي چې
    دلته وهي

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    • #3
      Syrians used chemical weapons, and if muslim world doesnt have their own army to sort things out. Than attack by USA is the only option available. Syria does not have much oil, Russia is backing them up because of all the weapons that syria buys from them and they are one of thier startegic partners. Only gain that americans would have from invading syria is securing israeli borders and also weakening hizbollah. But we have to remember that there is a civil war goong on in syria and majority of the people are against Bashir Al Asad. Use of the chemical weapons was the straw that broke the camels back. Tell me if i missed anything.

      What really drives me hazy is it me or are the others crazy

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      • #4
        Status que is continuous killing of innocent people for indefinate time. If bashor Al Asad wins are we ok with him being the king after killing so many people? If he loses one or two years down the line (even more), would it be wise to delay this war with potentially hundreds of thousands of Syrains dying? Do we like Al Asad? We know that whatever the result syria will be weaker, and Israel will be stronger due to this. But where we stand now, only accpetable solution seems to be america attacking syria. Please you are more then welcome to correct me if you think i am wrong (No conspericy theaory though)
        What really drives me hazy is it me or are the others crazy

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        • #5
          Let's try to add things up.

          Asad's defeat results in another Ihkwan goverment, now armed with modern weapons from the former regime, and a government that encourages training even more jihadists. This is very dangerous from a Israeli and GWOT viewpoint.

          An Asad victory means that the jihadists are defeated and imprisoned. It would make sense to support the pro-Asad forces (neutral is best), yet this is the total opposite of what the US government has done.

          As far as securing Israel's borders I don't know if a Syria under Asad is more likely to threaten Israel than a Syria under the Muslim Brotherhood.
          په پښتو ژبه ټایپ کول تاسو غواري؟ بيا داسې وکړي چې
          دلته وهي

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SiiNii View Post
            Let's try to add things up.

            Asad's defeat results in another Ihkwan goverment, now armed with modern weapons from the former regime, and a government that encourages training even more jihadists. This is very dangerous from a Israeli and GWOT viewpoint.

            An Asad victory means that the jihadists are defeated and imprisoned. It would make sense to support the pro-Asad forces (neutral is best), yet this is the total opposite of what the US government has done.

            As far as securing Israel's borders I don't know if a Syria under Asad is more likely to threaten Israel than a Syria under the Muslim Brotherhood.
            Well thats looking at it from american point of view. I wouldnt mind an islamic governemnt in Syria, however, the anti assad forces are a mix of everything (Kurds, librals and conservatives). Most of the poeple opposing Asad are more than 60% sunni Majority of syria. So what USA would do is give more power to the majority. I dont see Pro Assad forces winning and i think russian is taking a wrong decission again. If USA attacks, they will have a governemnt in syria(Subsequent to the war) having a soft corner towards US. Even if Ikhwan wins i wouldnt expect an all out war with Israel. Asad losing will lead to weaker Hizbollah in the south of Lebanon. Irans influence will also be curtailed becuase right now you have four countries in a row with significant shia influence (Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon) who considers Iran their spiritual leader. I am sure Americans never expected Iran to have so much influence on Iraq (even afghanistan in some cases after the fall of taliban)
            What really drives me hazy is it me or are the others crazy

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