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  • #46
    Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
    So you dont believe in any kind of dajjal?
    Like I said before, the Western secular imperialists are Dajjal.

    USA, UK, Russia, Isreal, etc. all embody the concept of Dajjal perfectly.

    They bring false promises, ideologies and perform miracles, and unfortunately, many Muslims leave the fold of Islam to follow them.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by El Camello View Post
      Like I said before, the Western secular imperialists are Dajjal.

      USA, UK, Russia, Isreal, etc. all embody the concept of Dajjal.

      They bring false promises, ideologies and perform miracles, and unfortunately, many Muslims leave the fold of Islam to follow them.
      But dajjal is not mentioned in Qur'an so why do you believe in Dajjal?
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
        But dajjal is not mentioned in Qur'an so why do you believe in Dajjal?
        Many of you on this forum do believe in a literal Dajjal, so I use the concept to enlighten others who do believe in him.
        I don't personally believe in Dajjal, I just used Dajjal as an example of false prophets.

        The concept of a false preacher is very real and Dajjal=hypocrite, hypocrites are mentioned in the Qur`an numerous times.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by El Camello View Post
          Many of you on this forum do believe in a literal Dajjal, so I use the concept to enlighten others who do believe in him.
          I don't personally believe in Dajjal, I just used Dajjal as an example of false prophets.

          The concept of a false preacher is very real and Dajjal=hypocrite, hypocrites are mentioned in the Qur`an numerous times.
          Dajjal is deception. The one that deceives. Dajjal could be anything. But the specific dajjal from the hadith is a person. In fact the Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam even suspected a person of being Masih ad-Dajjal. Therefore, Ahlus Sunnah believes that Dajjal will be a real person who will be considered as God.

          The understanding of Dajjal as a metaphysical being is a baatine concept. Baatini sects like Sufis and Shia believe in the metaphysical Dajjal.

          Imran Hosein of Trinidad & Tobago is one of those baatinis who promotes the idea of Dajjal being Zionists, Britan, NATO etc.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
            Oh dear lord!
            Yea, Is there a problem, mr. Kafir caller?


            What you jealous of my rank. I've been a slave of Allah since I was 5 years old by getting beat-in by my hafiz.

            I never lie. I'm not allowed too even if I wanted too. Don't believe me? No worries for me, since all the Prophets were ignored by the masses in their lifetimes.if they were ignored and called liars, I also will be.

            I have seen the all-mighty god in my dreams, so I don't got no worries about my deen
            Last edited by کیش; 08-29-2013, 10:23 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
              Dajjal is deception. The one that deceives. Dajjal could be anything. But the specific dajjal from the hadith is a person. In fact the Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam even suspected a person of being Masih ad-Dajjal. Therefore, Ahlus Sunnah believes that Dajjal will be a real person who will be considered as God.

              The understanding of Dajjal as a metaphysical being is a baatine concept. Baatini sects like Sufis and Shia believe in the metaphysical Dajjal.

              Imran Hosein of Trinidad & Tobago is one of those baatinis who promotes the idea of Dajjal being Zionists, Britan, NATO etc.
              I am aware that the Hadith refer to him as a person/humanoid who will be one-eyed, but I doubt seeing such an individual in my lifetime, so the metaphysical concepts seem more realistic to me as we have repeatedly seen Western powers bringing false ideologies/deception to Muslim lands.

              Regarding one-eyed, some confuse Freemasonry with Dajjal but I discredit this since the "All Seeing Eye" is supposed to be the Eye of God, under which all men are equal.
              Even the ancient Egyptians used this imagery, were they Dajjal worshippers?

              I believe one-eyed to mean one-sided, which means favoring one group over another, as these Western powers have often done.
              Last edited by El Camello; 08-29-2013, 10:22 PM.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by کیش View Post
                I've been a slave of Allah since I was 5 years old by getting beat-in by my hafiz.

                So you are a Muslim by force.

                I never lie.
                Self praise all over again and again.

                I'm not allowed too even if I wanted too. Don't believe me? No worries for me, since all the Prophets were ignored by the masses in their lifetimes.if they were ignored and called liars, I also will be.

                So you are a Prophet? LOL

                Prophets have never claimed that they have knowledge of the unseen. In fact Qur'an specifically teaches to not assume that Prophets knew about the unseen unless they were informed.

                Yet, a guy who uses PF to defame his grandmother claims he does have knowledge of the unseen.


                Yea, Is there a problem, mr. Kafir caller?
                No, not at all, you kaafir zindeeq!
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by کیش View Post
                  Yea, Is there a problem, mr. Kafir caller?


                  What you jealous of my rank. I've been a slave of Allah since I was 5 years old by getting beat-in by my hafiz.

                  I never lie. I'm not allowed too even if I wanted too. Don't believe me? No worries for me, since all the Prophets were ignored by the masses in their lifetimes.if they were ignored and called liars, I also will be.

                  I have seen the all-mighty god in my dreams, so I don't got no worries about my deen
                  I would also like to say thw Prophets description of Dajjal is right on the money.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by El Camello View Post
                    I am aware that the Hadith refer to him as a person/humanoid who will be one-eyed, but I doubt seeing such an individual in my lifetime, so the metaphysical concepts seem more realistic to me

                    Have you seen everything mentioned in Qur'an in real life?


                    as we have repeatedly seen Western powers bringing false ideologies/deception to Muslim lands.
                    The act of deceiving is different than the person who is in his essence deception. The latter was a fact in our history.
                    Originally posted by Firdousi
                    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                    • #55
                      I don't care, I don't have no worries. I should change my username as "Kaffir" if you like. Doesnt mean anything to me since only God's judgement is all that's important

                      Old Afghan women are indeed evil. Some if not, most are

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                        Have you seen everything mentioned in Qur'an in real life?




                        The act of deceiving is different than the person who is in his essence deception. The latter was a fact in our history.
                        1) Not everything.

                        2) To whom are you referring? I deceived people on PF, am I Dajjal?
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by کیش View Post
                          I don't care, I don't have no worries. I should change my username as "Kaffir" if you like. Doesnt mean anything to me since only God's judgement is all that's important

                          Old Afghan women are indeed evil. Some if not, most are
                          I thanked the first part of your post, but I don't know anything about old afghan women or about them being evil.
                          What did your grandma do?
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by El Camello View Post
                            1) Not everything.
                            Yet you believe in fantastic stuff you have not seen but you doubt the words of Nabi sal allahu alayhi wasalam because it doesnt seem realistic to you?

                            2) To whom are you referring? I deceived people on PF, am I Dajjal?

                            In Islam, generally we differentiate between the linguistic and the shar'i definition of words.

                            Linguistically, yes you have commited acts of deception. Deceiving comes from lack of faith and fear of Allah.

                            Shari'i dajjal is a person who deceives people in matters of religion.
                            Originally posted by Firdousi
                            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by El Camello View Post
                              I thanked the first part of your post, but I don't know anything about old afghan women or about them being evil.
                              What did your grandma do?
                              My dad's mom did jado against us. She sent Jinns to my apartment to terrorize us for years. The Jinns stole thousands of dollaea from my sad. Most of my moms jewelry, and 300 of my rare dollar coins.My moms mom has been caught wetting the stair case so either my cousin or my aunt trip and hurt themselves. Sometimes she opens the door so pet birds could fly away and gey lost. Among others.

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                              • #60
                                I think the jinn of your grandma actually still possessing you.
                                Originally posted by Firdousi
                                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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