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    WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THE UZBEK AND TAJIK CONFLICT IN AFGHANISTAN
    By Kevin Sites


    Ethnic Uzbeks and Tajiks fought in the streets with sticks and stones for several hours in the northern Afghan city of Taloqan on Saturday before the violence escalated to gunfire, leaving three people dead and 52 wounded.

    But when international leaders review the game reel of the incident, what should be most distressing—especially to the United States, who has spent more than 4,000 lives and billions of dollars in Afghanistan over the last dozen years—was the nearly absurd tactical response by Afghan National Police, who didn’t just fail to stem the violence, but have even been accused of helping create it.

    More than 400 national police officers were mobilized around Takhar Province National Police headquarters in response to a weeklong rally by ethnic Uzbeks, frustrated by what they say is a lack of representation in both the national government and the province. The last straw, they say, was when an Uzbek police chief for the province was sacked and replaced by one of the Interior Minister’s cronies.

    Initially the National Police forces seemed to be the very model of restraint, with a large but unintimidating presence of officers on every corner and patrolling the streets, showing off their new gear from the Americans, including a Glock sidearm and Ford supercab police trucks mounted with machine guns. Several fire trucks were also deployed in the area in case they were needed to disperse the protestors with water cannons. The police made good use of street intel as well, using spies, they say, to help arrest half a dozen men suspected of trying to smuggle weapons into the protest.

    Afghanistan: Tajiks and Uzbeks fight in the streets of Taloqan. - YouTube

    But by late afternoon everything had turned to ****. Almost as if it were prearranged, Uzbek protesters and a group of mostly Tajik counterprotesters, as many as 500 total, faced off on a Taloqan street a half mile from the city center.

    Only insults were hurled initially, but within minutes stones were flying in both directions. The groups took turns charging each other, both sides waving Afghan flags, and trying to overrun the other’s position.

    I saw one man from the Tajik side pulled over to the Uzbek side and pummeled with fists and sticks. But instead of using their numbers and vehicles to divide the groups, Afghan National Police mostly deployed behind the Tajik counterprotesters and watched the stones fly.

    Police chiefs worldwide would agree that this would have been the time to separate the groups—using nonlethal means like tear-gas rounds or water cannons to break up a protest that was already an all-out street brawl.

    Instead, after sitting on the sidelines for a bit, Afghan police lieutenants urged some of their officers forward to push back the Uzbeks and the others to hold back the Tajiks. It was not only ineffective, but almost comical, like a few children trying to break up a schoolyard fight between hundreds.


    While the frontline officers did their best to calm the groups down, the police leadership hung back behind the Tajik protestors, choosing not to send in the brand new fire trucks or use other riot-dispersion gear.

    Over the course of the afternoon, the incident developed a rhythm of its own. The crowd would settle down for a few minutes while officers desperately negotiated with each group, and then some hotheaded kid on one side or another would hurl a rock, restarting the cycle.

    This continued until, finally, as many here feared, the guns came out. By the end of the day, scores were wounded and three killed. The episode didn't inspire much confidence in the idea that Afghan security forces will be prepared to handle not only outside threats, but their own internal ethnic divisions, once international forces leave in 2014.

    One of the Uzbek leaders, Haji Jamshed, also a member of the Takhar Provincial Council, claims that the government was behind the counterprotest that helped spark the deadly violence, something the National Police strongly deny. But true or not, the failure to showcase their training and tactics to de-escalate the conflict without bloodshed is not encouraging.

    Kevin Sites is a rare breed of journalist, who thrives in the throes of war. As Yahoo! News’s first war correspondent between 2005 and 2006, he gained notoriety for covering every major conflict across the globe in one year’s time and fostering a technology-driven, one-man-band approach to reporting that helped usher in the “backpack movement.” Kevin is currently traveling through Afghanistan covering the tumultuous country during "fighting season" as international forces like the US pullout. Keep checking back to VICE.com for more dispatches from Kevin.

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    By Kevin Sites 1 month ago
    Tags: Kevin Sites, Taxi Cab to Hell, afghanistan, NEWS, war, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Conflict, protests, scary, Three Dead, rocks

  • #2
    [MENTION=9849]Ahmad Abdul-Rahimzai[/MENTION]
    That's unfortunate -- hopefully they can sort this out in a peaceful manner.
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #3
      They have child molesting drug addict warlords as leaders. There is little hope for peace.
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #4
        So what was the fighting about?
        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

        Sayyid Qutb

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        • #5
          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
          So what was the fighting about?
          Different districts in the north are populated by both Tajiks as well as Uzbeks. In most cases, Tajiks call all the shots because governors, district governors and other officials are Tajik. Dostum feels marginalized. He uses the frustration of Uzbek minority to regain authority in key regions.

          Besides Tajiks from Jamiat are greedy. They force Uzbeks to revolt. But Uzbeks are stupid because they allow dostum to use them.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            Ahhh the old northern alliance rivalries playing out. i would enjoy the bloodshed if it were the leaders who were getting hurt and not the naive regular people. seems like dostum is overplaying his hand if this is the case. unless he can somehow create millions of more uzbeks in a lab, then based on numbers alone, uzbeks will always play second fiddle to the more populous tajiks in the north.
            There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

            Sayyid Qutb

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            • #7
              Funny how some peopel are in favour of deviding Afghanistan in Pashtun south and a north part for the other minorities, when in fact those minorities never get along toghether, Pashtuns are the only ones who hold this country toghether without us they are killing each other like cat and dogs.....

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              • #8
                we are killing each other also, but yes the northern alliance coalition has always been a joke. the only thing they have ever had in common was being anti taliban. when left on their own and with no taliban in the equation, it is easy to see the cracks. its a coalition of muslims, secularists, different ethnic groups, and pro and anti karzai forces.
                There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                Sayyid Qutb

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                • #9
                  YAY immigrants killing eachother!

                  *obvious sarcasm*...
                  "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                  -Old Pashtun proverb




                  "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                  • #10
                    Some 3000 Uzbeks loyal to Dostum protested violently. In response to Dostum´s political but jokey uprising there against the Jamiati people 500 Tajik people rised up as well. Our understanding of the event is that minorities are looking for a Pan-Turkic ideology financed, teached and promoted by Turkey in Afghanistan and in those Afghan-Turk schools and universities. We are aware of this. Local Uzbek but Jamiati commanders were supporting Dostumis, too. But this isn´t a threat to us as long we take credits in using some Tajik Jamiatis against them who are the real power holder of the north.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                      YAY immigrants killing eachother!

                      *obvious sarcasm*...
                      pleae refrain from talking utter non sense.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ډګروال View Post
                        pleae refrain from talking utter non sense.
                        It was a joke dude.

                        Honestly the north has more tension then anywhere else.
                        "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                        -Old Pashtun proverb




                        "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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