Karzai Post 2014

[BarakzaiAbdali]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...72d_story.html

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — With a major election just eight months away, power brokers across southern Afghanistan are pressing President Hamid Karzai not to leave office on schedule in 2014, a decision that could complicate the U.S. withdrawal.
In tribal gatherings, protests and private conversations, Afghan leaders from the south have voiced support for an extension of Karzai’s presidency. Some want the April election delayed for several years, arguing that security is so poor that it would limit voter turnout in southern provinces. Others say Karzai is simply the best man for the job and should be allowed to run for a third term — even though the constitution limits him to two.
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I called this two years ago. I noted that this khar would try to pull some sneaky crap like this versus putting in his wino brother Qayum on the takhth in his place.
How Toramana and the gang will justify this when they have been preaching party politics and the democratic mantra for a decade and a half, is going to be as entertaining as the Kings of Comedy Tour.
Basically, this validates the story of how this goon and thief views himself as Hamid Shah, and he proved this when he made a monstrosity out of the loya Jirga tradition in Kandahar. He went to Sher e Surkh and had a turban tied around his head to emulate the election of one heroic Ahmad Khan Sadozai.

Oh riiight, it will be like Egypt where they have to usurp democracy to save it. Jokes abound when jesters comment.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

He basically thinks the Afghan people are too stupid to make a transition without him versus he wants to hold on to the power that has enriched his family. Either situation is proving that he is outdoing the very same folks that built the failed stated next door. He is in fact going on a worse trajectory in that he and his brothers are acting like the strong men in the post communist istan states next door. These Kabul beaurocrats will be hard pressed to mock the Saudi Kingdom anymore as power passes from Karzai brother to Karzai brother the same way the brothers of Al Saud have been passing off power for nearly a century.

As they continue to built a sham state ala Pakistan and emulate that Saudi Kingdom, will these Kabul centered propagandists have to find new lines of logic to justify their stupidity?

[DSM0305]

And who exactly would you suggest that would do a better job than Karzai? Dostum or maybe Atta Mohammed noor?

My point is if you gonna bash a president, then at least come up with an alternative solution.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

And who exactly would you suggest that would do a better job than Karzai? Dostum or maybe Atta Mohammed noor?

My point is if you gonna bash a president, then at least come up with an alternative solution.

Bullsh-it quit being a hypocrite, talking about secular democracy on the one hand and then letting a lying, thieving bas-tard hold on to power.

Offer a solution? How about you actually let a vote take place like you claim you want to one day. On the one hand you call him the "legitimate" elected President... then with the next breath you tell me you cannot tolerate Atta Mohammad Noor or Dostum? What would make a new vote less legitimate? Supposedly Taliban affected the Abdullah Abdullah vote and supposedly Karzai still won; so saddle up buddy - let democracy work itself out.

Otherwise, let the rule of force and topak decide who is going to rule since accepting this trash garbage collector and eater will be by fiat and force, and not even by Afghan guns, but by kharijaan guns and the same topaks that murdered for Fahim and Dostum in the first place.

Your guys's piss poor dumb sh-it excuse of "offer a better solution" is all you can muster.

How about you explain your logic for the hypocrisy of
1. Calling this haramee the legitimate elected President
2. Then not letting a "legitimate vote" re-occur according to the agreed upon constitution

Your only answer will be: because you think its the best... no evidence, no merit, despite his criminal thievery, and in spite all the bs talk about secular democratic principles etc etc etc

The solution is simple: Kharijaan leave, spend their treasure on their own countries, Karzai fends for himself, and the Afghans either decide to do a legitimate vote, or the strongest and most preferred will win the day.

[DSM0305]

Bullsh-it quit being a hypocrite, talking about secular democracy on the one hand and then letting a lying, thieving bas-tard hold on to power.

Offer a solution? How about you actually let a vote take place like you claim you want to one day. On the one hand you call him the "legitimate" elected President... then with the next breath you tell me you cannot tolerate Atta Mohammad Noor or Dostum? What would make a new vote less legitimate? Supposedly Taliban affected the Abdullah Abdullah vote and supposedly Karzai still won; so saddle up buddy - let democracy work itself out.

Otherwise, let the rule of force and topak decide who is going to rule since accepting this trash garbage collector and eater will be by fiat and force, and not even by Afghan guns, but by kharijaan guns and the same topaks that murdered for Fahim and Dostum in the first place.

Your guys's piss poor dumb sh-it excuse of "offer a better solution" is all you can muster.

How about you explain your logic for the hypocrisy of
1. Calling this haramee the legitimate elected President
2. Then not letting a "legitimate vote" re-occur according to the agreed upon constitution

Your only answer will be: because you think its the best... no evidence, no merit, despite his criminal thievery, and in spite all the bs talk about secular democratic principles etc etc etc

The solution is simple: Kharijaan leave, spend their treasure on their own countries, Karzai fends for himself, and the Afghans either decide to do a legitimate vote, or the strongest and most preferred will win the day.

Calm down... I haven't said anything offensive so there is no need to explode... Take a deep breath and then count to ten. It usually help to get your head cold.

Second of all why am I being a hypocrite? If you know the definition of hypocrite then you would understand what I said isn't even slightly hypocritical. The problem with you is, that you only assume things and assume what I want, instead actually judge me by the comment I made.

Thirdly calling Afghanistan democracy is same thing as calling north Korea democratic... If you want a fair election then southern Afghanistan should have a say in it. Every election Pashtuns lose tons of influence, not because they are a minority, but because they are prevented from voting.

I am no fan of Karzai, but I would much rather prefer him instead of those northern warlords. It all about what will benefit Afghanistan and the benefit lays in a waiting game. So basically I would rather have Karzai as president until there is somebody better suitable for the post.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Calm down... I haven't said anything offensive so there is no need to explode... Take a deep breath and then count to ten. It usually help to get your head cold.

Second of all why am I being a hypocrite? If you know the definition of hypocrite then you would understand what I said isn't even slightly hypocritical. The problem with you is, that you only assume things and assume what I want, instead actually judge me by the comment I made.

Thirdly calling Afghanistan democracy is same thing as calling north Korea democratic... If you want a fair election then southern Afghanistan should have a say in it. Every election Pashtuns lose tons of influence, not because they are a minority, but because they are prevented from voting.

I am no fan of Karzai, but I would much rather prefer him instead of those northern warlords. It all about what will benefit Afghanistan and the benefit lays in a waiting game. So basically I would rather have Karzai as president until there is somebody better suitable for the post.

How does benefit lay in a waiting game? As in, the northern groups you fear continue to gain power, weapons, and control while Karzai puts a Pashtun face on the government? On the one hand we have people here telling naysayers that the government has a lot of Pashtun rep and the Army too. Well OK, if thats the case, then the vote should proceed. If not, then the term president is a misnomer. Then lets call him what he is... an installed dictator. This way, the people know that the dont need to listen to the hogwash by the failed marxists about how secular democracy is the truth, the way and the life, and that Taliban are ruling by the topak. Then, their whole moral imperitive comes to them forcing an ideology on the Afghan people that is not innate, native, or even worthy. Their moral imperative gets flushed down the toilet. I say let the mask come off, let the world go ahead and see that there is a monstrosity backed by Fahim's guns and kharij $$$ with a wannabe Pashtun mask on it. And what is worse is this is incapable lying, theiving mercenary moron who would lose by merit.

[DSM0305]

How does benefit lay in a waiting game? As in, the northern groups you fear continue to gain power, weapons, and control while Karzai puts a Pashtun face on the government? On the one hand we have people here telling naysayers that the government has a lot of Pashtun rep and the Army too. Well OK, if thats the case, then the vote should proceed. If not, then the term president is a misnomer. Then lets call him what he is... an installed dictator. This way, the people know that the dont need to listen to the hogwash by the failed marxists about how secular democracy is the truth, the way and the life, and that Taliban are ruling by the topak. Then, their whole moral imperitive comes to them forcing an ideology on the Afghan people that is not innate, native, or even worthy. Their moral imperative gets flushed down the toilet. I say let the mask come off, let the world go ahead and see that there is a monstrosity backed by Fahim's guns and kharij $$$ with a wannabe Pashtun mask on it. And what is worse is this is incapable lying, theiving mercenary moron who would lose by merit.

It doesn't matter how many guns or power somebody have. If they dont have the throne, they have hard time using them.

Let all be honest, it only a matter of time before Taliban decide to make peace. Foreigners will leave soon and there will be no reason to fight. Then there will be three things left, warlords, taliban and the civilian. Under these circumstances it only logical to assume that the best way to gain influence is by become a part of the government.

Thirdly I want to highlight that you are nothing but a living advertiser. Instead of talking politic, you going around and advertising for an ideology. Read my posts and tell me where I have mention these words in my previous posts: secularism, Marxism, legitimate government, taliban etc.
Can you highlight where I mention any of these words in my previous posts, do it, I am so curious where you get these ideas and assumption of me. I be honest I don't know which kind of game you and your secularist/atheist friends are playing, but don't involve me in it.

I posted here solely to highlight that if you gonna bash somebody then at least offer/suggest somebody who can do the job better. I honestly couldnt care less about what term/word you use to describe the government or the president. It doesn't matter if he/she/it is a hero, legend, or villain, idiot. As long as the alternative is worse, then you stick to what there is now. I personally prefer the so called ''masked pashtun'' than northern alliance who will rape and murder innocence pashtuns like they did back then when the taliban regime was toppled.

[Khostai]

Why do you act like they siriously gona stop the election? The election will continue nomatter what, Karzai days are near and his brother doesn't have that big of influence like the media porttryas it to be.

[randolph85]

It doesn't matter how many guns or power somebody have. If they dont have the throne, they have hard time using them.

Let all be honest, it only a matter of time before Taliban decide to make peace. Foreigners will leave soon and there will be no reason to fight. Then there will be three things left, warlords, taliban and the civilian. Under these circumstances it only logical to assume that the best way to gain influence is by become a part of the government.

Thirdly I want to highlight that you are nothing but a living advertiser. Instead of talking politic, you going around and advertising for an ideology. Read my posts and tell me where I have mention these words in my previous posts: secularism, Marxism, legitimate government, taliban etc.
Can you highlight where I mention any of these words in my previous posts, do it, I am so curious where you get these ideas and assumption of me. I be honest I don't know which kind of game you and your secularist/atheist friends are playing, but don't involve me in it.

I posted here solely to highlight that if you gonna bash somebody then at least offer/suggest somebody who can do the job better. I honestly couldnt care less about what term/word you use to describe the government or the president. It doesn't matter if he/she/it is a hero, legend, or villain, idiot. As long as the alternative is worse, then you stick to what there is now. I personally prefer the so called ''masked pashtun'' than northern alliance who will rape and murder innocence pashtuns like they did back then when the taliban regime was toppled.

foreigners aren't leaving any time soon...

i don't know why you are under the impression that karzai is the only thing keeping the northerners from wreaking havoc on pashtuns.

northerners are already in power and karzai and his western sugar babas have already brought hell onto pashtuns. a northern alliance president wouldn't change the status quo at all.