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  • My Email response to an ignorant American columnist advocating Afghan partition.....

    Here is the article that I came across by this Khar Kossa

    Get rid of Afghanistan

    Let's end British colonialism and let it split into its constituent parts

    Sunday, July 11, 2010

    By Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    My friend Jack Wheeler has a solution to the problem of Afghanistan. Get rid of it.

    Yes, he's serious. No, he's not a crackpot.

    An adventurer who's been in almost every country in the world, Jack Wheeler is one of three real life people on whom the fictional character Indiana Jones was based. He's climbed the Matterhorn, swum the Bosporus, parachuted onto the North Pole and lived with a tribe of headhunters in the Amazon.

    One of the countries where Jack has spent a lot of time is Afghanistan, mostly during the time Afghans were fighting Soviet occupation. Jack was the father of the Reagan doctrine of providing support to anti-Communist resistance movements.

    What's frosting Jack's pumpkin these days is the horse manure which passes for analysis of Afghanistan. He's incensed by the description of Afghanistan as "the graveyard of empires."
    The truth, he notes, is that Afghanistan has been the "doormat of empires." The land that is now Afghanistan was conquered, relatively quickly, by Alexander the Great, the Kushans, the Sassanids, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, the Moguls, the Turkmen bandit Nadir Shah and the British.

    The "graveyard of empires" myth is based on just two incidents.
    In 1842, 12,000 civilians and 4,500 soldiers, most of them Indian, led by Sir William Elphinstone, perhaps the most incompetent general in British military history, were butchered by guerrillas under Akbar Khan as they retreated from Kabul. But a few months later the British recaptured Kabul.
    The second incident was the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989. Jack knows this intimately, since he was close to Ahmad Shah Massoud, the "Lion of the Panjshir," the leader of the anti-Soviet resistance.

    Ahmad Shah Massoud was a Tajik, as were most -- and the most effective -- anti-Soviet resistance fighters. There is no such thing as an Afghan people. Afghanistan is a colonial construct, cobbled together by the British in the 19th century to create a buffer state between the Russian empire and British India.
    As with the colonial constructs in Africa and the Middle East, the British threw together very different peoples who don't like each other much. According to the CIA World Factbook, 42 percent of "Afghans" are Pashtun; 27 percent Tajik; 9 percent each Hazara and Uzbek; the remainder mostly Aimak, Turkmen and Baloch. Only 35 percent of "Afghans" speak the official language, Pashto. Half speak Dari, a Persian dialect. Most of the remainder speak Turkic languages.

    The British created Afghanistan as a Pashtun empire, which was resented by the other ethnic groups. We are continuing that effort by trying to build a strong central government around Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Mr. Karzai is unpopular because he is incompetent and corrupt. But he would be unpopular with the Tajiks, Uzbeks et al because he is Pashtun.
    By continuing British colonial practice, we are acting against our own interests because the Taliban are almost entirely Pashtun, and the Northern Alliance, which assisted us in ousting the Taliban in 2001, was composed almost entirely of the other ethnic groups.
    What would be in our interest, Jack Wheeler thinks, is to end the colonial fiction of Afghanistan and restore the different ethnic enclaves to the nations from which the British took them.

    Afghanistan and Tajikistan share 750 miles of border. Let the 8 million Tajiks in Afghanistan join the 6 million Tajiks in Tajikistan, which is ruled by a secular Muslim friendly to the United States.

    Afghanistan and Turkmenistan share 450 miles of border. Let the 900,000 Turkmen in Afghanistan join the 4.9 million Turkmen in Turkmenistan.
    Afghanistan and Uzbekistan share just 85 miles of border. But south of it live 2.5 million Uzbeks. Let them join the 28 million Uzbeks in Uzbekistan.
    Even though they'd lose control over the other ethnic groups, most of the 13 million Pashtuns in Afghanistan might prefer being united with the 27 million Pashtuns in Pakistan, either within the Pakistani state, or in a separate Pashtun state. Pakistan is another British colonial construct, dominated by the Punjabis.

    Colonialism was a bad idea in the 19th century. For us to fight in the 21st to preserve colonial constructs whose rationale has disappeared into history is insane as well as immoral.



    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10192...#ixzz0tQKjn7zk

  • #2
    This is my email response

    Here is the email I sent him

    I am writing this email in response to your latest article titled "Get Rid Of Afghanistan". While I certainly agree with your overall premise that modern day Afghanisan is a relic of 19th century British colonialism you article contained so many factually inaccurate statements that it delegitimizes whatever point you were trying to make while exposing your anti Pashtun biases.

    1. Calling Afghanistan the "doormat of empires" simply because conquering the nation was easy highlights why your country's mission in Afghanistan is an absolute failure. Conquering Afghanistan has always been easy. Holding on to the country and retaining power in Afghanistan was always extremely difficult. Almost every conqueror of Afghanistan had to suppress numerous rebellions and outbreaks of conflict many of which inevitably led to the withdrawal or eventual defeat of the conqueror. Hardly a "doormat"

    2. Again referring to my earlier point the term "Graveyard of Empires" cannot be simply limited to two particular "incidents": the Anglo Afghan war and the Soviet Invasion. You simply picked one battle of the English and made reference to it. The English fought launched three invasions of Afghanistan only to leave it as an intact independent country. You talk about the British recapturing Kabul but let me ask you. Did they colonize Kabul? How long did they hold onto Kabul? You know the answer. The British colonized 1/4 of the world and Afghanistan was where their extended hand was slapped away.

    3. Most insulting is this notion that the Tajiks were the most resistance fighters against the Soviets. This is a slap in the face of the hundreds of thousands of dead Pashtuns. Resistance flared across the country but it was in the Tajiks and Pashtun areas where it was predominate. Pashtuns were half the country and since the Uzbeks (who were Afghan govt allied) and the Hazaras (who were left mostly to their own) did not fight it is clear to anyone with any semblance of logic or knowledge that the most resistance to the Soviets came from Pashtuns. There was ONE Tajik resistance group and at least FOUR Pashtun resistance groups. There were 5-6 Tajik provinces where fighting occured and at least 12 Pashtun provinces were the Soviets were fiercely engaged. There were thousands of recruits from the Pakistani tribal areas sent into Afghanistan to fight the Soviets and ALL of them were Pashtuns as the tribal areas are Pashtuns. How many Tajiks crossed over from Soviet Tajikistan to engage in the war? NONE.

    You seem to be caught up in the media hype as most "analysts" with no understanding of the region tend to be. Just because Ahmad Shah Massoud was the most well known in the West due to his fluent French there were dozens of top notch Pashtun resistance commanders such as Jalaludin Haqqani who made Paktia a no go for Soviets and Abdul Haq who used to launch attacks in Kabul itself.

    As for the ridicolous notion that Tajiks were the most effecient fighters....how do you reconcile this stupid statement with the fact that Massoud signed a cease fire with the Russians which lasted months...allowing safe passage for Soviets along the Salang Pass allowing Soviets to send more troops into the Pashtun south?

    4. The British did not create Afghanistan as a "Pashtun empire". They carved a buffer zone out of a Pashtun Empire and incorporated the eastern half of this empire into British India. The British destroyed any semblance of a Pashtun empire. Read a book sir...it might help

    5. As for your laissez faire suggestions from the West casually advocating the dismantling of a country...I suggest you leave this up to the people to decide. The fact is after 30 years of civil war and no proper governance there has yet to emerge a single legitimate independence movement amongst any of the Afghan ethnicites with any semblance of popular support.

    In the future I suggest you no longer write about Afghanistan as its obvious you are grossly misinformed and outright ignorant. The only exception being the article you will write in a year or two about how your country joined the long list of others who conquered this "doormat" only to be shown the door in our unique lovable Afghan way.

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    • #3
      Wror Jaana, You yourself sent him that E-mail?
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        Wo wrora. Za pa dey article bandi der khapa saweyam.

        Raza si mugh tol emailuna waleyghu dey Khar koss ta. Si sam sayi posee....ijaza nasta aw ney workawu...si mogh psi darwagh wuwayee.

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        • #5
          Dagha sey khalag chi jhi, hagha mazey dagha sey articles da show-off dabandey post ka yi.
          Da mazey yaw nazar dey da da. Magar sta reply mey der kwash so.

          Abaad osa.
          Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

          A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

          For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


          The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

          -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
            Dagha sey khalag chi jhi, hagha mazey dagha sey articles da show-off dabandey post ka yi.
            Da mazey yaw nazar dey da da. Magar sta reply mey der kwash so.

            Abaad osa.

            Recently there has been a flood of such articles both in the West (British, US) and a few by some Indians that I have read.

            I dunno what they are up to now, but this seems to be a new trend. However it very offensive and condemnable.

            We should have a unified voice against this idea to partition Afghanistan along any lines especially ethnic.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post

              In the future I suggest you no longer write about Afghanistan as its obvious you are grossly misinformed and outright ignorant. The only exception being the article you will write in a year or two about how your country joined the long list of others who conquered this "doormat" only to be shown the door in our unique lovable Afghan way.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Here is the article that I came across by this Khar Kossa
                LOL

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                The truth, he notes, is that Afghanistan has been the "doormat of empires." The land that is now Afghanistan was conquered, relatively quickly, by Alexander the Great, the Kushans, the Sassanids, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, the Moguls, the Turkmen bandit Nadir Shah and the British.
                Hahaaaaaaahaha oh yeah and he forgot those Teletubbies they conquered AFG too^^

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                The "graveyard of empires" myth is based on just two incidents.
                In 1842, 12,000 civilians and 4,500 soldiers, most of them Indian, led by Sir William Elphinstone, perhaps the most incompetent general in British military history, were butchered by guerrillas under Akbar Khan as they retreated from Kabul.
                They thought they can stomp on AFG soil, shoot around and scare people, burn down bazars, murder civilists, emprison and execute AFG citizens, take away this and that offering a better product instead.
                To MOVE an army INTO a country doesnt mean you have conquered this land. U cant go into a hard working man's house, slap him in the face then eat his food, send his wife to work and take his daughter, can you?
                To make people bow down on their knees and to pledge allegiance to an alien flag THATS CONQUER.

                By the way guerilla wars have the same ending: guerillas win - modern soldiers lose cause guerilla fighters will be always winning as long as they are not losing. =) Oh and this 'incident' that he speaks of was an AMBUSH while ambush is a TRADITIONAL AFGHAN WAR TACTIC.

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                Jack knows this intimately, since he was close to Ahmad Shah Massoud, the "Lion of the Panjshir," the leader of the anti-Soviet resistance.
                come on not another brainwashed fool thinking Panjsher IS Afghanistan (the only homogenous AFG region with mainly Tajik population)
                Damn please that 'lion' murdered and killed and betrayed and destroyed he did major damage to AFG GENERATIONS suffered!

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                Ahmad Shah Massoud was a Tajik,
                For real?? Nah he was Afghan - Tajikistan is a different country.

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                There is no such thing as an Afghan people
                LOL That phrase is stolen from anti-Afghan mass media shortly after 2001.
                These where times when the masses of people who didnt know AFG found out that Osama who launched WTC-attacks was Afghan too. Cause he was hiding there. And they heard that AFG is another anti-american terrorist arabic country..

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                Afghanistan is a colonial construct, cobbled together by the British in the 19th century to create a buffer state between the Russian empire and British India.
                Great phrase too!

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                According to the CIA World Factbook, 42 percent of "Afghans" are Pashtun; 27 percent Tajik; 9 percent each Hazara and Uzbek; the remainder mostly Aimak, Turkmen and Baloch. Only 35 percent of "Afghans" speak the official language, Pashto. Half speak Dari, a Persian dialect. Most of the remainder speak Turkic languages.
                Now how the HELL did CIA find THAT OUT! These guys are good=) Whoever did the counting there GREAT JOB^^!

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                The British created Afghanistan as a Pashtun empire, which was resented by the other ethnic groups.
                And then they found a 300-year-old mysterious book called 'Pata Khazana' (what a great title I give 5-stars) in a cave where it says that Pashtuns came from Israel where they got asskicked and came to AFG, created a completely new language which is not even NEAR their tongue in 15 months and called it Pashto. They had to keep it UNDERCOVER=)

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                Mr. Karzai is unpopular because he is incompetent and corrupt.
                Unlike Bush administration or almost EVERY american administration they are known in the world as righteous sons and daughters.

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                What would be in our interest, Jack Wheeler thinks, is to end the colonial fiction of Afghanistan and restore the different ethnic enclaves to the nations from which the British took them.
                And after decades NATO ISAF several military superpowers PLUS military from 52 STATES (!!!) could not remove some bearded murderous bad guys who wear TSAPLEY they dont even wear real shoes! Serious **** is going oN!=)


                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                Afghanistan and Tajikistan share 750 miles of border. Let the 8 million Tajiks in Afghanistan join the 6 million Tajiks in Tajikistan, which is ruled by a secular Muslim friendly to the United States.
                MUAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAA Since AFG is a CONSTRUCT they can take Panjsher valley down like LEGO and build it more northwards.

                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                Afghanistan and Turkmenistan share 450 miles of border. Let the 900,000 Turkmen in Afghanistan join the 4.9 million Turkmen in Turkmenistan.
                Afghanistan and Uzbekistan share just 85 miles of border. But south of it live 2.5 million Uzbeks. Let them join the 28 million Uzbeks in Uzbekistan.
                Even though they'd lose control over the other ethnic groups, most of the 13 million Pashtuns in Afghanistan might prefer being united with the 27 million Pashtuns in Pakistan, either within the Pakistani state, or in a separate Pashtun state. Pakistan is another British colonial construct, dominated by the Punjabis.
                And make a lottery drawing among NATO states who takes the blue-eyed and red-haired Nuristanis=)


                Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                Colonialism was a bad idea in the 19th century.
                DAMN RIGHT!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                  n adventurer who's been in almost every country in the world, Jack Wheeler is one of three real life people on whom the fictional character Indiana Jones was based. He's climbed the Matterhorn, swum the Bosporus, parachuted onto the North Pole and lived with a tribe of headhunters in the Amazon.
                  Hehehe now to be honest that passage was not bad=) Thx for the good laugh JACK^^.
                  However Amira wrora zema khabera wawra wrora!
                  You did great your answer was ON TOP. I'm proud of you cause you didnt swallow this down but stood up for your history facts. You did KHEDMAT WATAN TA and STA PO UMAR AOO QALAM BARAKAT!!
                  But next time you read that kinda DIRT dont even look at it, dont take this stuff serious cause thats obvious BULL**** I only laugh my *** off. This is so ridiculous I cant even believe I just made all those comments and waisted MY TIME on this crap. This kinda 'articles' made by comedy-columnists are not taken seriously whether by any respected institution nor by any administration nor by any politician who is not out his mind.
                  But DONT WAIST your time and energy for this move on, watch out for real hints from the INSIDE. Even retired politicians are great sources to understand how world politics are done and at which table they are planned. Be careful cause they often try to manipulate you when they 'reveal former policies' or 'analyzing current world politics'.
                  But dont pay attention to some small-time crap cause you lose time and prevent yourself from real work.
                  No disrespect playa just my 2 cents!
                  Last edited by Darweshkhel; 07-12-2010, 01:21 AM.

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