afghan pashtun pride is blinding

[r3alist]

you guys really believe that the taliban rule is down to pakistan and pakistan alone - this is ignorance of astounding levels

your pride doe not permit you to believe that there were more than enough afghans who were happy to either be a part of or support the taliban - the ISI did not make them backward zealots - the ISI had no work to do, what could be done to stop them? when will you understand this?

in addition, it was not pakistan who created the mujhadeen, it was the US - you know it but you deny it, why?

you also have a belief that punjabi's have been or want to be overlords of afghanistan which seems to really get you guys going, yet you forget who is occupying your lands? who is installing more puppet governments?

anglo americans drop bombs on your people for fun, but still pakistan this, pakistan that, i cant comprehend this


essentially you have to make a mythology around pakistan, a straw men of epic proportions to cover up your own shortcomings (and historical injustices)- pashtun xenophobia does not concern me but when its mixed in with a perception of punjabi exploitation it really gets you guys going, i think you guys think you are superior to punjabi's, but when you believe punjabi's have power and influence in "your lands" it gets your pride boiling with the green eyed monster coming to full view, you lose rational thought, this is my conclusion - i hope you do not take this in the wrong way but some of what many say on here i agree with, some is incomprehensible with no basis

[eyeliner]

i take it your a punjabi then. lol

[شمله ور خراساني]

Pakistani Nationalist pride is probably more blind than Pashtun nationalists.

Because Pashtun nationalists are at least honest and denounce Islam all together.

But Pakistani nationalists use Islam and abuse Islam for a country that was founded by British Empire and the Ismaili Kaafir Jinnah.

Today, while Afghanistan is occupied by 50 crusader contingents from across the world, the society is less corrupt than Pakistan where there is a brothel and a place of polytheism in every street corner.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

not all Pashtun Nationalists denounce Islam.
Let me ask you, are you a nationalist?

I am, but I do not put Afghan Nationalism before Islam and Allah.

the ISI did not make them - the ISI had no work to do, what could be done to stop them? when will you understand this?

in addition, it was not pakistan who created the mujhadeen, it was the US - you know it but you deny it, why?

you also have a belief that punjabi's have been or want to be overlords of afghanistan which seems to really get you guys going, yet you forget who is occupying your lands? who is installing more puppet governments?

anglo americans drop bombs on your people for fun, but still pakistan this, pakistan that, i cant comprehend this

but some of what many say on here i agree with, some is incomprehensible with no basis

I completely agree with you. Pakistan hatred is used just to get popularity. It baffles me when some make really fantastic hate speech that has nothing to with reality. Some would in their Pak hate go the extent as to even align themselves with the extremist Hindu mindset, completely denounce Islam and so on, which shows extreme frustration.

For example, in a thread where the Indian Police and Intelligence investigated and showed proof of the involvement of the Hindu Extremist group Abhinav Bharat, some users just for the sake of hating Pakistan went on to support the said Hindu Extremist Group, when sadly, the same group's Leader a Col of the Indian Army explicitly said we targeted Muslims in their mobs so many could get killed, now how sad is this.!!!!

There is one good solution to this, learn to accept the bitter reality and pull down on some of the fantastic lies.

Pakistani Nationalist pride is probably more blind than Pashtun nationalists.

Because Pashtun nationalists are at least honest and denounce Islam all together.

I agree with some of the things. People unfortunately put Nationalism before Islam, however when the same people are to die, then they will realize what a folly they did. Only God matters, everything else is secondary, and taking things like Nationalism to the extreme to make God secondary is idiotic behavior at its best.

Our Afghan ancestors were not Atheists or Commies or Muslim haters, they were the staunchest of Muslims.

the society is less corrupt than Pakistan where there is a brothel and a place of polytheism in every street corner.

I do not agree. Firstly, The karzai Govt. is more corrupt unfortunately than even the likes of Zardari, something widely accepted by the whole International Community.

Secondly, that every corner thing is sadly too great a lie. Yes, Islam is not like in the times of the Prophet but what you said is just complete and utter lies.

The funny thing is, people who make such fantastic claims of lies that have nothing to do with reality is, that, majority of these very people have never visited Pakistan or have heard rumors or hear say like girls do or are just out right Pakistan haters.

The majority people in Pakistan, be them Afghans or non Afghans are good honest Muslims, that want a better future for Pakistan and Afghanistan. And that is the 100% plain and simple truth many here cannot accept to digest. Sadly.

Thanx.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Khushaal that is rich considering the posts you have put forward. Come on wrora.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

Khushaal that is rich considering the posts you have put forward. Come on wrora.

Mara taa ta kho pata da BLS, Islam is first and foremost, plus sometimes the Pak hate rant is a bit too much as well. Dont you agree??

Zma kho di zey ki jwand teyr sho kho ma kho charey Punjabian wo na katal chi lagyaa ee zamonga weena choosaa wayee!!! ha ha ha. Dont you agree this hate often gets out of bounds???

Thanx.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Malgariya, not all Pashtun Nationalists denounce Islam.

Let me ask you, are you a nationalist?

pay close attention to the outspoken nationalists on pashtunforums. And tell me if you find anyone of them who does not show hostility to Islam and muslims.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I am, but I do not put Afghan Nationalism before Islam and Allah.



I completely agree with you. Pakistan hatred is used just to get popularity. It baffles me when some make really fantastic hate speech that has nothing to with reality. Some would in their Pak hate go the extent as to even align themselves with the extremist Hindu mindset, completely denounce Islam and so on, which shows extreme frustration.

For example, in a thread where the Indian Police and Intelligence investigated and showed proof of the involvement of the Hindu Extremist group Abhinav Bharat, some users just for the sake of hating Pakistan went on to support the said Hindu Extremist Group, when sadly, the same group's Leader a Col of the Indian Army explicitly said we targeted Muslims in their mobs so many could get killed, now how sad is this.!!!!

There is one good solution to this, learn to accept the bitter reality and pull down on some of the fantastic lies.



I agree with some of the things. People unfortunately put Nationalism before Islam, however when the same people are to die, then they will realize what a folly they did. Only God matters, everything else is secondary, and taking things like Nationalism to the extreme to make God secondary is idiotic behavior at its best.

Our Afghan ancestors were not Atheists or Commies or Muslim haters, they were the staunchest of Muslims.



I do not agree. Firstly, The karzai Govt. is more corrupt unfortunately than even the likes of Zardari, something widely accepted by the whole International Community.

Secondly, that every corner thing is sadly too great a lie. Yes, Islam is not like in the times of the Prophet but what you said is just complete and utter lies.

The funny thing is, people who make such fantastic claims of lies that have nothing to do with reality is, that, majority of these very people have never visited Pakistan or have heard rumors or hear say like girls do or are just out right Pakistan haters.

The majority people in Pakistan, be them Afghans or non Afghans are good honest Muslims, that want a better future for Pakistan and Afghanistan. And that is the 100% plain and simple truth many here cannot accept to digest. Sadly.

Thanx.

I said the society is corrupt. Not just the government.

You wont find that many places of shirk and fornication in Afghanistan as there are in Pakistan. And this information I got from people who spent their entire life in Pakistan. I assume they know better.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Mara taa ta kho pata da BLS, Islam is first and foremost, plus sometimes the Pak hate rant is a bit too much as well. Dont you agree??

Zma kho di zey ki jwand teyr sho kho ma kho charey Punjabian wo na katal chi lagyaa ee zamonga weena choosaa wayee!!! ha ha ha. Dont you agree this hate often gets out of bounds???

Thanx.

Yes at times it can go to immature territory, but in principle they are right. If we hoenstly look at things from a historical perspective. The 30 year policy by US and Pakistan has done more damage to Pashtuns then anything the British have done. Anyone from FATA, malakand division can give you an idea. Even the worst of the british fights with us, we were never degraded or destroyed like this. So let us tag everything where it belongs.
Second, you are confusing personal experience with political policy. No native american here has seen a white person personally destroy them, but the policy of the previous governments have really ruined them. No Palestinian has seen a jew here personally destroy them (at least on an overall basis), but the policy of Israel has been unfair. The same is the case here, the policy of GHQ has been immensely destructive. And the bias in the media to the damages done in our area compared to east of the indus is very clear.

Yet it still begs the question- why are still supporting them? The journalist you posted here (more than once), is oblivious to the suffering of Pashtuns. He is a demagogue, and I went to his fan site on facebook (which btw he regularly updates), and there is hardly any mention of the suffering of Pashtuns. He merely diverts it to his many fantasies. BTW majority of which Swatiyaan or Qibaeel Pashtuns disagree with. For a little experiment look no further than this forum, or the Aman jirgas held in Peshawar. Do you take their experiences over the Ministry of Army Propaganda, I mean ISPR? If so, you should be fair and post all the wonderful things India says about Kashmir, NATO about Afghanistan, IDF about Gaza. At least be fair in what you post. Otherwise there are clear cracks in your logic.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

Just one clarification BLS, you said:

The journalist you posted here

He is a demagogue,

and there is hardly any mention of the suffering of Pashtuns

The story I posted about the wrong implication of some Indian Muslims and the blasts being actually done by Indian Army Col and other officers were not made up by that journalists.

The Journalists in question are : Uma Sudhir, Sudhi Ranjan Sen, Rajan Mahan

All are Indian and the proof was investigated by Indian Security Services and Police. here is the link:

http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/mecca...uted-23177.php

Its an Indian paper and the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) is being quoted.

and I was sad because some die hard Nationalists just for the sake of Pak hatred sided with the Abhinav bharat Col rather than with the fact that these very people killed multitudes of Muslims in these balsts.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Just one clarification BLS, you said:



The story I posted about the wrong implication of some Indian Muslims and the blasts being actually done by Indian Army Col and other officers were not made up by that journalists.

The Journalists in question are : Uma Sudhir, Sudhi Ranjan Sen, Rajan Mahan

All are Indian and the proof was investigated by Indian Security Services and Police. here is the link:

http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/mecca...uted-23177.php

Its an Indian paper and the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) is being quoted.

and I was sad because some die hard Nationalists just for the sake of Pak hatred sided with the Abhinav bharat Col rather than with the fact that these very people killed multitudes of Muslims in these balsts.

Na peera I am talking about the article on swat and the one on afghanistan-pakistan. You know the ones ;-)

[r3alist]

Taliban is a Pakistani creation

because you said so - oh, that makes it completely right i guess

Can you provide a source that ISI did not make them?

no, i cannot provide a source that proves a negative because i am not a simpleton, sorry.

I can show you many sources that they did. the ISI created them as a PROXY for strategic depth, these silly claims of yours wont get you anywhere.

for the sake of god they were already created - the ISI did not create anything - can you provide me a source that suggests the mujhadeen would have formed a liberal democracy in afghanistan were it not for the ISI?

i guess not, they were already there and in control - you get my drift?

Pakistan nurtured it, after the USA left, Pakistan took over this Godzilla.

i am not disagreeing with this, but you somehow spectacularly manage to glaze over the fact that many afghan pashtuns were happy to take the steer - see what i mean that you cannot accept responsibility?

If yes, how did you allow the Americans(Kafir) to use YOUR airspace to destroy our country? This Musim-unity that your country promotes is non-sense.

i am completely with you on this, 100%, pakistani politicians are pure lowlifes

Let me help you, YOUR COUNTRY Pakistan is there ally. can you comprehend this?

you mean their ally and yes i can comprehend this, i do not support it at all, but i dont think pakistan drafted the plans for the US invasion, pakistan were sucked in, this is not a war they have asked for

[Nokia_Apridy]

ZMA khbra ta Pam shay TASH PANREY BA DA ZAN RATA NA JORA WA

pa Dwaro da WOR Bal AFGHANISTAO PAKISTAN Laka chay

Pa PUKHTUN YA BAL KRU YU HEWAD MAKHKAY BAL KRU BAL RUSTA

..............

DODAY KHURU SA BOS NA KHU ZKA DA POLTICAL TA RAZAM NA CHAY

REKHTYA DA KANZALO NA SAKHT YA PA SAREY,,,

[єѕαρχαι]

Pakistani Nationalist pride is probably more blind than Pashtun nationalists.

Because Pashtun nationalists are at least honest and denounce Islam all together.

But Pakistani nationalists use Islam and abuse Islam for a country that was founded by British Empire and the Ismaili Kaafir Jinnah.

Today, while Afghanistan is occupied by 50 crusader contingents from across the world, the society is less corrupt than Pakistan where there is a brothel and a place of polytheism in every street corner.

Brother , jinnah was a convert .He died as a hanafi muslim and if you dont believe me you can google about his funeral.How it was led and by whom it was led

Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Brother , jinnah was a convert .He died as a hanafi muslim and if you dont believe me you can google about his funeral.How it was led and by whom it was led

Regards

The man was ithna aashaariyaa, not hanafi. And that conversion to inthna aashariyaa is also suspect as some believe he died as an khoja ismaili.