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  • Your thoughts on Malala Yousefzai's speech at the UN

    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    Ever since I heard of the attack on her, I was very sceptical. I couldn't understand why she was attacked. After all, attacking people like here only helps the cause of the infidels.

    Therefore, for a long time I doubted that she was a victim of TTP. But later I saw a number of reports suggesting TTP was behind the attack. Their justification was that she is not a child but an adult according to Islamic law, and that she was a propaganda piece against Islam utilized by the infidels. For this reason they decided to kill her.

    She truly is a very potent and dangerous propaganda tool. She is serving her purpose quite well. However, The conservative community in Pakistan and the TTP should feel quite embarrassed now. Their utterly irrational and misguided methodology of dealing with their political opponents is coming to its logical conclusion. The anti-Islamic community in Pakistan is having a field day at the conservatives expense. Yet, there is nothing sensible one can say in return but accusations of conspiracy.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      She was brave enough and whoever attacked her should not call himself a 'man' and a 'Pakhtun' according to me.

      If those who were killing her thought that she is an adult and must do this and that according to Islam must have thought for a while that killing her was also not suggested by Islam.
      yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
        She was brave enough
        She is not brave. She is just doing what her Marxist daddy is telling her to do. Read from a piece of paper.
        Originally posted by Firdousi
        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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        • #5
          ^ And why are you having a problem with that? Because her daddy is a Marxist? Or you are having a problem that a little girl was shot by some ignorants and she luckily survived?

          - I didn't say 'She was brave enough' because she read what she was reading today. I said that because she spoke at a time when many of the so called men were unable to utter a world against those barbarians.
          yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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          • #6
            i don't doubt the legitimacy of her cause for a single moment, however i do believe she is being mislead and that she is in the wrong hands who are misusing her desire for wanting to educate people about their rights or benefits of education. having said that, i would like to add that speeches are given to spread awareness about a cause and people who could benefit from them alot are more likely within pakistan or afghanistan, not america.
            i don't understand this adult or youngster thing either. don't adults have rights in islam??

            "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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            • #7
              Originally posted by Shehbaz Khan View Post
              ^ And why are you having a problem with that? Because her daddy is a Marxist? Or you are having a problem that a little girl was shot by some ignorants and she luckily survived?

              - I didn't say 'She was brave enough' because she read what she was reading today. I said that because she spoke at a time when many of the so called men were unable to utter a world against those barbarians.
              she is a little girl and used by her marxist daddy as a tool .
              all this so the daddy could be a succesful private schools business and to settle score with those who oppose his marxist behaviour.

              just like ghazala jaweds father was using her to get what he wanted.

              other than that nothing is wrong if she wants education and no one has a right to deny her that but to be used to justify drones,used to promote interventions,used to promote a diary written by someone else is another story.

              her father is responsible along with army for her shooting, it is most likely that they set that up.

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              • #8
                Its not about education. There plenty Taliban and other conservative Muslims in Pakistan who not only send their own daughters to schools, in fact they even support womens education.

                But what Malala's Marxist daddy is being true to his religious beliefs. Deceit and propaganda at the expense of his own daughter. Dagarwal is right.
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #9
                  so your critique of the ttp is that they gave anti islam folks more ammo or that they actually tried to kill a little girl?
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #10
                    She really pinched the Taliban and their apologists in the a**.
                    "Da bado sakha sha zezhi, da sho sakha washa zezhi"

                    - Hajjanai Adeh

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                      so your critique of the ttp is that they gave anti islam folks more ammo or that they actually tried to kill a little girl?
                      He is trying to keep a balance between his conservative and anti-Taliban thoughts.
                      "Da bado sakha sha zezhi, da sho sakha washa zezhi"

                      - Hajjanai Adeh

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                      • #12
                        In swat, illetracy is not the issue. Our main issue is the injustice done by the police courts about which no ngo no malala no ziauddin no america no govt want to talk.
                        Some secular minded westerners are using her for their motives.
                        100 women were rapped in a single day egypt a few days ago. No one spoke lool but by the grace of these western munafiqeen malala reached to UNO. There is something wrong going. She is blind for the fame.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                          Its not about education. There plenty Taliban and other conservative Muslims in Pakistan who not only send their own daughters to schools, in fact they even support womens education.
                          Thank you. Increasingly the message about education is being lost to the politics. She is being manipulated.

                          Malala, aged 12: I want to become a doctor. It's my own dream but my father told me that you have to become a politician. But I don't like politics ...

                          Malala, aged 16 (wearing a pink shawl that belonged to Benazir Bhutto) addresses UN. BBC News - Shot Pakistan schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai addresses UN

                          Headley/Brenner Interview

                          NPR Podcast

                          HEADLEE: And will it [Pakistan] ever be a safe place for Malala?

                          BRENNER: I don't think in the near future. She is - the Taliban have said that if she returns, that she will be killed immediately as will her father. She stays now in Birmingham but her father can no longer be the activist.

                          HEADLEE: Birmingham in England?


                          BRENNER: In England. Her father can no longer speak out as he has frequently against the army and their failure to install any kind of defense for them against the Taliban because he's now working as the - as a member of the Pakistan High Commission in Birmingham. So he needs so much the Pakistan government that he used to criticize to take care of his daughter's medical care.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                            so your critique of the ttp is that they gave anti islam folks more ammo or that they actually tried to kill a little girl?
                            First of all, let me make something clear:

                            TTP, just like the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan, Ansar ad-Dine, Ansar Sharia, Jabhat al-Nusrah, Islamic State of Iraq and other Jihadi fronts have all a legitimate islamic cause for which they are fighting. However, their methods are sometimes highly questionable. Yet, the actions do not delegitimize their struggle. Khalid Ibn Walid radiallahu anhu killed people and the Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam distanced himself from his action. However, Khalid ibn Walid was never excommunicated or condemned.
                            Therefore, the just and sensible thing for a Muslim is not to attack all Mujahideen or cast doubts on their motives and intentions when they make errors or when they commit acts we cannot understand.

                            Regarding killing " a little girl", if you consider a 14 year old female who can read, write, talk, travel on her own to be a little girl, you also consider the wife of the Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam who was 9 years old to be a little girl. By calling a 14 year old female a little girl, you are basically saying the Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam got married to a little girl.

                            The truth is, when a female gets her first period she is no longer a girl but an adult according to Shariah. In our community in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the common age for females to get their first period is between 8 to 12 years. Malala Yousefzai was 14. So according to Shariah law, one cannot claim she is " a little girl".

                            The question whether shooting her is the right thing to do is easily answered. In Islam we take decisions after weighing the benefits and harms. Decisions like assassinating a person require scholarly knowledge of Islam. A layman is not entitled to be the judge of such serious matters.

                            What could be said is that assassinating an individual who is spreading malicious propaganda against Muslims is not prohibited. But rather it was the Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam who ordered Muhammad ibn Maslamah to assassinate Kaab ibn Ashraf.

                            If a senior scholar, a Mujtahid who is a legitimate leader of the Muslims decides that a harmful individual should be assassinated, then it not up to us laymen to condemn him.

                            Since I am considered a layman in matters of Shariah law, I cannot be the person who critiques such decisions. For this I consult people of knowledge and ask their views. So far, what I have learned is that this decision did not meet the criteria of a sound decision according to Shariah law.
                            Last edited by Shamlawar Khurasani; 07-12-2013, 07:53 PM.
                            Originally posted by Firdousi
                            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                            • #15
                              I feel that she is being manipulated, and being used a pawn. I know her father is a guest user of PashtunForums, so as he is reading this, I suggest him to read [MENTION=103]tor_khan[/MENTION] post twice.
                              Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

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                              The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                              -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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