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    Karzai is part of the problem

    In December 2011, at a major conference in Bonn attended by ninety foreign ministers, the Taliban were on the verge of accepting US conditions that would allow them to open a political office in Doha. The Americans had held four rounds of direct secret talks with the Taliban that had started in November 2010 thanks to mediation mainly by German diplomats and Qatar.

    However, at the last minute, Afghan President Hamid Karzai balked and refused to agree to the terms for opening the Taliban office, citing that he had not been adequately consulted by the US or Germans – which was untrue.

    It has taken nearly two years for all the players to get back to where they were at Bonn that cold December and once again try and open a Taliban office in Doha. Yet the latest attempts to do so were shambolic – for which everyone, including the Americans, shares part of the blame.

    Once again, it would appear that Mr Karzai is trying to scuttle this latest round of peace talks. Even as he accepted the Taliban terms on offer such as the Taliban denunciation of al’ Qaeda, he used their hoisting of a Taliban flag and a nameplate to threaten an end to any future talks even before they had begun. His anger partially reflected the widespread fury among many Afghans who saw the TV pictures of the dreaded Taliban white flag and black turbans in Doha as an affront to their dignity.

    Partly, chaos on this issue reflects chaos in Mr Karzai’s own office, including among the people he has put in charge on this issue. There is no consensus in his cabinet or in the presidency on negotiating with the Taliban. His top aides are against the idea, float conspiracy theories or they are manovering to be the next presidential candidate.

    The president has also not fulfilled his role adequately. While speaking of reconciliation with ‘’my Taliban brothers,’’ Mr Karzai has failed to woo the millions of Afghans, particularly the non-Pashtun half of the population and many women who are scared, wary or plain disgusted by any thought of a Taliban return. Building a consensus at home is what the president’s primary task should be.

    But the recent spat also reflects that Mr Karzai is still little understood by Western players and many Afghans. This is the man who single-handedly since 2004, has insisted to a military-obsessed Washington that only talks with the Taliban could end the war. The Americans – full of hubris at the time – scoffed at him. Yet if Mr Karzai is a peacenik, how to explain his recent statements, pique and anger?

    In several past conversations with Mr Karzai, it became clear to me that he did not believe in the conventional wisdom about ending civil wars – reconciliation through a long dialogue process, confidence-building measures on the military front or a strategic plan and talks for eventual power sharing.

    He has always envisaged a kind of Taliban surrender to him or a Pashtun meeting of tribes in which the Taliban would acknowledge Mr Karzai as their leader and tie the traditional turban around his head. In his mind all this was do-able because of the Durrani Pashtun tribal grid of southern Afghanistan that the Karzai family and some Taliban leaders shared.

    Clearly, none of this is going to happen. Why would the Taliban surrender when they had beaten the US military to a standstill or bow before the Afghan they most despise? Yet Mr Karzai refused to accept anything less. He had no patience for road maps or talking points for negotiations that his frustrated aides would infrequently draw up. So it is the Taliban who are now adroitly savvy about negotiations and want the whole hog of modern reconciliation gambits – a road map, first talks with the US force occupying their country, followed by talks with ‘’all Afghans’’ rather than the government alone.

    Furthermore, Mr Karzai has never understood or accepted why the US has not put Pakistan on the spot for supporting the Taliban for the past twenty years or at least for giving them sanctuary since 9/11. He rejects the idea of Pakistan being part of the peace process. The truth is that Pakistan – a nuclear power, an unstable state and still a centre for global terrorist training – is strategically far more important than Afghanistan. Despite its links to some extremist groups, Pakistan has to be wooed and won over – not ostracised. You cannot talk to the Taliban without Pakistan’s co-operation because they live there.

    In the meantime, what of the Taliban? They trumped the Americans with a smart move – offering to release an American POW in exchange for five Taliban officials being held at Guantánamo. But wait a minute! This is exactly the same confidence building measure the Americans had offered back in 2010 and then failed to deliver on because of objections by the US Congress. Now it’s the Taliban who are making the offer, appearing reasonable and appealing to US public sentiment about the American soldier. Not bad for a group considered to be thuggish and illiterate!

    Mr Karzai’s main tasks should be to quash the disarray in his own office and cabinet, start a dialogue with his people explaining why only a reasonable settlement with the Taliban can end the war and secure an Afghanistan without foreign troops in 2014 while helping improve relations with interfering neighbours like Pakistan and Iran.

    Mr Karzai has everything to lose by continuing to act the way he is acting and the Taliban everything to gain.

    The writer is best-selling author of several books about Afghanistan, Pakistan and Central Asia, most recently ‘Descent into Chaos’

  • #2
    Oh, that crafty Ahmad Rashid---Everywhere you go, the Punjos prop up.

    But what do Afghans believe? Would power sharing with Taleban change life for them in any big way?

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    • #3
      ^I don't think so, they are the same like the other warlord dogs, if not worse, they just want money.

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      • #4
        Karzai is moron plain and simple. That Amrekiya puppet needs to shut his mouth sometimes, seriously you let america build permanent bases in Afghanistan for "stability" purposes. Seriously who does that?
        "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

        -Old Pashtun proverb




        "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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        • #5
          These bits are important to heed:

          "Partly, chaos on this issue reflects chaos in Mr Karzai’s own office, including among the people he has put in charge on this issue. There is no consensus in his cabinet or in the presidency on negotiating with the Taliban. His top aides are against the idea, float conspiracy theories or they are manovering to be the next presidential candidate."

          and importantly as well as this:

          "In several past conversations with Mr Karzai, it became clear to me that he did not believe in the conventional wisdom about ending civil wars – reconciliation through a long dialogue process, confidence-building measures on the military front or a strategic plan and talks for eventual power sharing.

          He has always envisaged a kind of Taliban surrender to him or a Pashtun meeting of tribes in which the Taliban would acknowledge Mr Karzai as their leader and tie the traditional turban around his head. In his mind all this was do-able because of the Durrani Pashtun tribal grid of southern Afghanistan that the Karzai family and some Taliban leaders shared."

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          • #6
            He's not going to be able to hold his position if contested. You have to ask yourselves is this so-called afghan army going to want to fight the Taliban? To protect Karzai? Without the US presence?

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            • #7
              karzai = kharzai

              kharzai = son of a khar

              problem solved. guy is a puppet, amigos.
              جی وا ترا بلوچ ، ذندان بلوچ ، کلو واتنییے
              G wa tra Baloch , Balochistan Zindabad

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              • #8
                Ahmed rashid is a delusional paki
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #9
                  [MENTION=1498]ComradePashtun[/MENTION]

                  Do you think this election will make any difference?
                  [MENTION=1772]BarakzaiAbdali[/MENTION]
                  What are your thoughts?
                  Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                  A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                  For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                  The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                  -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                  • #10
                    [MENTION=5070]Culler[/MENTION]

                    But the USA won't leave the region.
                    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                    • #11
                      I think the definition of treason should include betrayal of sovereignty allowing foreign forces within. The permission to allow bases is an example of fifth column.

                      So my question is who is out there who would not have granted this right?
                      Last edited by torkham; 06-30-2013, 08:04 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by torkham View Post
                        I think the definition of treason should include betrayal of sovereignty allowing foreign forces within. The permission to allow bases is by by definition fifth column.

                        So my question is who is out there who would not have granted this right?
                        We all know the answer to that hence why they are wanted individuals. The point is anyone refusing bases would not have been allowed in the government hence why it is a puppet(foreign installed) and not legit(afghan installed). Its like saying what "legit" US government would allow Chinese bases on US soil.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                          [MENTION=5070]Culler[/MENTION]

                          But the USA won't leave the region.
                          Of course. They won't give up their interests. They will simply minimise their forces/presence. They have an established foothold now. Yet that still hasn't stopped them from destroying what armoured assets they can to avoid them falling into the wrong hands should any other embodiment take power.

                          That and quite frankly its a logistical nightmare. Also shows their lack of faith in karzai's leadership let alone government.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Culler View Post
                            Of course. They won't give up their interests. They will simply minimise their forces/presence. They have an established foothold now. Yet that still hasn't stopped them from destroying what armoured assets they can to avoid them falling into the wrong hands should any other embodiment take power.

                            That and quite frankly its a logistical nightmare. Also shows their lack of faith in karzai's leadership let alone government.
                            [MENTION=5070]Culler[/MENTION]

                            Why doesn't the USA just give their 'old equipment' to the Afghan Army? Why blow up their old bases, etc?
                            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                            • #15
                              They don't want to run the risk of armoured vehicles ending up in the hands of militants. Especially if they were to come back years later to reignite an occupation or further war on terror as I think they would put it.

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