Doha office Taliban's grave mistake: HIA

[Khorosani]

Your argument is a non starter to be refuted and what I have said stands solid like a rock. Can you tell us where these old men have popped up from? You guys are blessed when it comes to rationality.

I am all for reconciliation with the Talibs and they have every right to live by the rest of Afghans side by side as equals. I just hope that they have grown enough brain, and indeed are free in their decisions and actions from their ISI pimps so they do not sacrifice the interests of Afghanistan to the aforementioned pimps' dictation. That's all.

Yeah so refuting by saying "pashtun world is vast my..." is a great refutation right? The point i'm making is simple, by saying that they don't look pashtun rather they look punjabi is a weak argument because 1) The Pasthun race is not limited to one type of look. 2) They aren't discredited by not looking like warriors.

Please stop being a hypocrite and look at Karzai who is pretty much prostituting Afghanistan to the Americans. With regards to their ties with Pakistan that was a mistake that was made but really if you think you can do better go to Afghanistan and lets see you try. There is one thing to talk and there is another to prove with your action.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Khorosani, don't waste your time one them. They are extremely misguided and misinformed people who worship their lowly desires. Instead of talking to them about politics, teach them something about the deen.

[ComradePashtun]

Khor o Assani,

Hypocrite is you and it is on display. Don't even attempt to twist things and attempt to interpret what I have said which is there for every one to read. Do you not have shame and dignity?

Afghanistan and its Pashtun belt is no "Pashtun World", obviously that was also lame attempt at fuddling things and your poor attempt at my description of your Talib buddies who appeared everything as if they have just popped up from Pakistan looking at their skin tones and the rest I explained which you can refer to which I would not repeat them again. With a cursory observation a Pashtun who knows his people can immediately spot a Pashtun living in Afghanistan from one with shade and skin tone and complexion of living abroad. Beside, your "Pashtun World" things means nuts, excuse that I said my nuts. Afghanistan is a small place and I am quite apt at recognizing Pashtuns of Afghanistan be it from the southwest, south or east as I have within my family members from these geographically classified regions which in total are only around 15 million people equal almost the size of greater London.

Objectively speaking, I don't think their ties per se were a mistake but they are dumb and are mostly taken advantage of, honestly speaking. They had to, and just for that they should not be blamed for after all every one including the super power had ganged up against their legitimate government.

[ComradePashtun]

Khorosani, don't waste your time one them. They are extremely misguided and misinformed people who worship their lowly desires. Instead of talking to them about politics, teach them something about the deen.

Shush you, you sound wack just as when used rap like a clown. All of that ganja and liquor has probably eaten up your only useful brain cells.

[ComradePashtun]

Where is Kharistan?

[ComradePashtun]

Shamlawar Khorasani and Khorosani,

Can you tell us in what respect their (Talibs') ties to Pakistan or specifically the ISI were a mistake and the measures that are/would be required to rectify them? This is an extremely important issue for us Pashtuns and future of Afghanistan. I look forward to your serious and honest opinions.

[ComradePashtun]

By the way the flag and emirate sign by John Kerry is now called off as a propaganda coup by Taliban. It seems that Pakistan is quite disappointed particularly that U.S. also had to back Karzai's line and asked the Qatari government to take corrective measures. May be Pakistan was complicit in this coup, contrary to their propaganda at the outset and article which emerged in Tribune Express, which Talal once made reference to, it seems that it is Pakistan being snubbed now than Karzai.

[ComradePashtun]

Kerry even cancelled his planned visit to Pak and shot of to India.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Shamlawar Khorasani and Khorosani,

Can you tell us in what respect their (Talibs') ties to Pakistan or specifically the ISI were a mistake and the measures that are/would be required to rectify them? This is an extremely important issue for us Pashtuns and future of Afghanistan. I look forward to your serious and honest opinions.

Repent for behaving the way you did and take back your insults against mullah omar and i will answer you. If you behave the way you do, you dont deserve an answer.

[Toramana]

Did Kerry snub Islamabad?
UMER FAROOQ

ISLAMABAD: The official spokesperson of US State Department in Washington may not like to describe John Kerry skipping a visit to Islamabad as a snub to Pakistani leaders, but that is how it is largely being perceived in Islamabad.

Islamabad was initially part of US Secretary of State’s itinerary, but at a later stage US officials said that due to unexpected developments in Syria, he would not be proceeding to Pakistan. This was unexpected for Pakistan’s political leadership, including Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, as they were ready to have their first direct contact with a senior US administration official after coming to power in the May 11 general elections.

“We were expecting to discuss a wide range of talk, not just Afghanistan,” said a senior official of the new government in Islamabad.

Some of the foreign ministry officials tried to explain Kerry’s not coming to Pakistan by saying that he was expected a much larger agenda of talks in Islamabad and for why he needed more time.

Pakistan’s hopes were pinned on the expectations that the visit of the US Secretary of State will lead to a revival of the Pak-US strategic dialogue, which has been stalled since the Abottabad raid that killed Osama Bin Laden and led to much acrimony between the two countries.

The government still hopes that the strategic dialogue could be revived on Kerry’s next trip to Pakistan, but sources told Dawn.Com there was little chance of John Kerry visiting Islamabad in the near future.

Pakistani officials see Kerry’s continued engagement on Afghanistan throughout his Asia trip as a particular snub, with Pakistan being ignored throughout this time.

There is a view in Islamabad that Americans will come back to Pakistan for help when the Afghan situation gets to a crucial stage. “They (Americans) will come back to Islamabad for help on Afghanistan. They need us there,” said former Foreign Secretary Shamshad Ahmed Khan.

However, the most recent ‘snub’ was particularly noted in Islamabad, especially after Kerry acknowledged a greater role for India in bringing stability and democracy to Afghanistan.

In a speech in New Delhi, John Kerry said that India has a central role to play in ensuring free and fair elections in Afghanistan, scheduled to take place in April next year.

In his meetings with Indian officials, Kerry directly briefed them about the peace initiative with the Taliban and told media that a senior US diplomat would be visiting New Delhi in the coming days to brief them on the latest development in the Doha talks.

The US Secretary of State visited New Delhi as part of a visit to the Middle East and South East Asia.

Officially, it was stated that he was skipping Islamabad because he got too busy because of the latest developments in Syria. But then he landed in New Delhi and discussed Afghanistan with the Indian leadership.

Throughout his Middle East and South East Asia trip, Kerry remained engaged on Afghanistan. In Washington, the State department spokesman said that it was not meant as a ‘cold shoulder’ to the Pakistani leadership.

He went to Doha and New Delhi and in each station he discussed Afghanistan and the latest peace initiative with the Afghan Taliban. While he was still on the Asia trip, Kerry even spoke twice to Afghan President Hamid Karazai and tried to convince him to join the peace talks.

Analysts say that there was no public reaction from Pakistan on this particular situation primarily because Islamabad has realised during the past two years that the US has decided to give greater ascendency to India in Afghanistan and this is now an ‘old story’ in Islamabad.

“Americans have in the past few years given much ascendency to India in Afghanistan and it is going to be a big problem for us in the coming years,” said former Foreign Secretary Shamshad Ahmed Khan.

Experts believe that Kerry’s assertions in New Delhi represent the public acknowledgement of that greater role.

Khan said that this particular statement does not mean much. “Ensuring free elections means Indians will train them in electoral exercise,” he said.

However, the real concern in Islamabad is that India may get the opportunity to train the Afghan security forces.

In the past two years, Pakistani security officials have told Americans in talks that Pakistan does not want an unstable force on its border, which can turn to drug smuggling and internal strife when the Americans leave.

When some sections of the Pakistani media noted that the US Secretary of State deliberately skipped Islamabad, US diplomacy immediately went into an overdrive of damage control.

The US ambassador told a group of journalists in Islamabad that Pakistan has a central role in paving the way for Doha talks.

Similarly, officials said that the US Special Representative on Afghanistan, James Dobbins in his meetings with Pakistani officials, did not repeat any of the harsh US demands that the Pakistani leadership has faced during the past few years.

Did Kerry snub Islamabad? - DAWN.COM

[Toramana]

Repent for behaving the way you did and take back your insults against mullah omar and i will answer you. If you behave the way you do, you dont deserve an answer.

Mr. Khar-i-stani, Mullah Omar has run out of steam now---and so has his herd of quadruples like yourself as well-

[Toramana]

By the way the flag and emirate sign by John Kerry is now called off as a propaganda coup by Taliban. It seems that Pakistan is quite disappointed particularly that U.S. also had to back Karzai's line and asked the Qatari government to take corrective measures. May be Pakistan was complicit in this coup, contrary to their propaganda at the outset and article which emerged in Tribune Express, which Talal once made reference to, it seems that it is Pakistan being snubbed now than Karzai.

CP, I have heard some of the Taleban emissaries were ISI men disguised that Kerry was shrewd to recognize? Is that true?

[Khorosani]

Khor o Assani,

Hypocrite is you and it is on display. Don't even attempt to twist things and attempt to interpret what I have said which is there for every one to read. Do you not have shame and dignity?

Afghanistan and its Pashtun belt is no "Pashtun World", obviously that was also lame attempt at fuddling things and your poor attempt at my description of your Talib buddies who appeared everything as if they have just popped up from Pakistan looking at their skin tones and the rest I explained which you can refer to which I would not repeat them again. With a cursory observation a Pashtun who knows his people can immediately spot a Pashtun living in Afghanistan from one with shade and skin tone and complexion of living abroad. Beside, your "Pashtun World" things means nuts, excuse that I said my nuts. Afghanistan is a small place and I am quite apt at recognizing Pashtuns of Afghanistan be it from the southwest, south or east as I have within my family members from these geographically classified regions which in total are only around 15 million people equal almost the size of greater London.

Objectively speaking, I don't think their ties per se were a mistake but they are dumb and are mostly taken advantage of, honestly speaking. They had to, and just for that they should not be blamed for after all every one including the super power had ganged up against their legitimate government.

Okay enemy pashtun, you can tell pashtun people so well when I'm a farsi speaking Afghan and my pashtun brothers always mistaken me with a Pashtun, some pashtuns consider that I look punjabi with my glasses, but they never guess i'm from Kabul. Go to Kabul, you can barely tell the difference between the farsi speakers in the city or the village dwellers on the outskirts. The uncles look totally Afghan/ Pashtun and your assessment on them is flawed.

Even lets say there are punjabis/pakistanis in the office so what? The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is a Muslim government and Pakistanis have strong Muslims who are the brothers of to the Muslim Afghan nation.