pro-establisment and loyal servant of punjab,pervaiz khatak the next CM of pashtunkhw

[gadoonwal]

hahah.....so according to you there should be no "jor tor" and coalition in politics? smaller parties have to enter into alliances with bigger parties to run the government affairs and everybody is doing that. Wali khan did it in eighties and 90s when NAP formed coalition governments with JUI and PMLN respectively Achakzai is doing the same in Balouchistan today.

My point is QWP coalition with JI and PTI like parties which are pro-Talibans and QWP is claiming to be a Nationalist party. ANP never entered into alliance with JI like parties who clearly supported Talibans and Jihadist and trained people to do jihad on Afghan soil for which they earned millions of dollars and they are doing the same in Pashtunkhwa now. It is a shame for a nationalist party to join hands with such anti pakhtun elements who want a so called islamic state only on Pashtun's land while in the rest of Pakistan they never try to raise a slogan for islam this is clear munafiqat and clear enemity with the Pashtuns. So if Sherpao calls himself a Nationalist he shouldn't set with JI...

And yea i want Parvez Khattak to enjoy up the whole government because his party got clear mandate let them do it.....

SO IT WAS OK FOR WALI and ANP to set with the enemy of pashtun pml-n in the ninties but no good for sherpao to share the power with PTI.
This is ANP style munefaqat and dirty politics.
talib,talib drama is not working for ANP anymore.Anp know very well who they are.
It was ANP sign deal with terrorists in swat,right.
ANP in the seventies did support MUFTI mehmood of JI.
Asfand and fazluraman enjoy a good friendship.
ANP also killed many pashtun in karachi with MQM hands.
Babar Ghori is good friend of zahid khan of ANP.
ANP is deseas for the pashtun.

[gadoonwal]

There are some people known as Nazreyati People. Look at Yousufzai Pakhtun. He will support anyone waving a Red Flag. So is my family. I repeat so IS my family.


Than you should enlighten us with some proofs about his corruption?

As I said he was the only Provincial Minister I know of who used to travel in his own Indus without a guard and driver.

This is A joke man,,,nazria and ANP.
wali khan in the early seventies visited shaikh mujeeb of bengal and asked him not to break pakistan.Mujeeb smile and said the Bengalis played a great role in the creation of pakistan while Bacha khan your papa opposed it so how you become the spokesman of punajb.
ANP never defended the nazria of pashtuns .They are in fully co-opration with GHQ and ,,isi,,.
What ,,nazria are you talking about.YOU YOURSELF IS LOYAL PAKISTANI.
You are against the division of pakistan .You recognise durandline so what other nazria you have.
Also ANP leader asfandwali himself hundreds of time pledge his loyality to pakistan.
He said ,,pukthoon and pakistan are lazim o malzoom.
They are the patriotic pakistanis.Their nazria is corruption,selling pashtun blood to others and commission.

[gadoonwal]

Gadoonwal what are your opinions about asak qaisar of your swabi?

Dear,asad kaiser himself is nice man.Well educated and true supporter of PTI.
He is working for this party when it was not even known to pervazi khatak and many others.
He was the right person to lead the govt but i explain how this pervaiz blackmail everyone.
Pervaiz has strong support from establishment while asad kaiser is new to them.
It is also no good for PTI if pervaiz stay in the power.
sa chi punjabyan ghwari hagha ba kagi,,,,.
haider hoti chaa sa pejando pa shpa shpa ki wazir ala sho.
azam hoti laro london ta da 24 kalanay humaira hoti sara nasha ki dob prot wey,khwaar pukhtun ba tal khwar wey.da paisay da chaa dey?

[Shehbaz Khan]

This is A joke man,,,nazria and ANP.
wali khan in the early seventies visited shaikh mujeeb of bengal and asked him not to break pakistan.Mujeeb smile and said the Bengalis played a great role in the creation of pakistan while Bacha khan your papa opposed it so how you become the spokesman of punajb.
ANP never defended the nazria of pashtuns .They are in fully co-opration with GHQ and ,,isi,,.
What ,,nazria are you talking about.YOU YOURSELF IS LOYAL PAKISTANI.
You are against the division of pakistan .You recognise durandline so what other nazria you have.
Also ANP leader asfandwali himself hundreds of time pledge his loyality to pakistan.
He said ,,pukthoon and pakistan are lazim o malzoom.
They are the patriotic pakistanis.Their nazria is corruption,selling pashtun blood to others and commission.

So you think breaking Pakistan and working against it's interest is defending the Nazria of Pakhtuns. Than I am glad ANP didn't serve their 'nazria' defined by you.

[gadoonwal]

yes,breaking pakistan is defending pashtun nazria and this is why bacha khan and ajmal khatak stay behind bars for years.
your own ANP going against the nazaria of bacha khan.
pakistan and pashtun can not stay together.
pakistan was created on pashtun,baluch land.Both pashtunkhwa wa baluchistan were not part of hindostan .
How come you as a follower of bacha khan support the fake nazaria and supporting pakistan.
why bacha khan was burried in jalal abad then?
why he refused to be burried here?
Brave Bingalis got freedom from pakistan while slave pashtuns is still happy here.

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ Mate, I don't want to get into another long discussion with you here. Why Bacha Khan wanted to be burried in Afghanistan I don't know. Do you know about it except for your 'guesses'?

Now the speeches of Bacha Khan can be grabbed from here and there in which he clearly stated himself as a loyal citizen of the state and declared that his idea of Pashtunistan is an autonomous Pakhtun Province within the boundries of Pakistan.

It's an irony that the establishment or the government didn't like him for what so ever reasons and kept him behind bars.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

yes,breaking pakistan is defending pashtun nazria and this is why bacha khan and ajmal khatak stay behind bars for years.
your own ANP going against the nazaria of bacha khan.
pakistan and pashtun can not stay together.
pakistan was created on pashtun,baluch land.Both pashtunkhwa wa baluchistan were not part of hindostan .
How come you as a follower of bacha khan support the fake nazaria and supporting pakistan.
why bacha khan was burried in jalal abad then?
why he refused to be burried here?
Brave Bingalis got freedom from pakistan while slave pashtuns is still happy here.

Bacha khan & Ajmal Baba never worked against Pakistan rather they struggled for pakhtun rights within its boundaries. It was Pakistani establishment and the then ruling elites who misunderstood them (and are still suspicious about ANP) and kept the leaders behind the bars. Can you quote a sentence of Bacha khan where he spoke against Pakistan? rather he always criticized the then ruling elites and policy makers.
Yea he was against the partition of India as long as it was a suggestion but as soon as it became a decision and two states i.e India & Pakistan came into being it was he who in the very first meeting of the first legislative assembly of Pakistan took the oath of loyalty to Pakistan. Bacha khan was a man of principles he acted upon whatever he spoke, there was no contradiction between his words and deed so how can you expect that when he takes the oath of loyalty to Pakistan, can go against it?
Bacha khan was a symbol of unity for the pakhtuns. Pakhtuns from both sides of the durand line respected him and loved him. He spent most of his life struggling for the rights of the people of Pakhtunkhwa and after death he wanted to be burried among the people of Afghanistan. He didn't wanted to be burried in Pakistan because it was ruled by U.S puppet Dictator General Zia. Ajmal Khattak Baba was burried in Pakistan though he spent most of his life in Afghanistan in exile......

[gadoonwal]

Thanks for bieng honest and gulami mu mubarak sha.
This is what ANP and oppertunists did after Bacha khan,s death.
da lahore pa daalo ki chi kom khwand de haga da pakhtunkhwa pa ghwaho ki hum neshta,,,zaka kho hoti pakay punjaby sara wada wako.

Wali khan himself more then one time said ,,lar o bar yaw afghan ghwaro.
It was clearly written in the kabul university,,,,,,,,,,,,,na mano haga karhay chi da afghanano termenza rahkalay shawai dey,,,,,,,,,,wali khan.

aya da tol darog woo ka na da punjabi taalay ki khwand zyaat shaway.

The reality is that ANP leaders are oppertunists.The punjab feed them well and now they are happy with punjabi rule.

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ Yao ghar aao bal ghar ola .. You said this is what ANP did after the death of Bacha Khan, what Yousufzai asked you to quote any extract of his speech.

Now you are coming to Wali Khan, now if Wali Khan wanted to break Pakistan into pieces why did he tried to save it while Mujeeb Ur Rehman was crying for Separation even Wali Khan visited him and told him that he should not do this.

[gadoonwal]

yaw gar bal ghar na walam kho mazgha de kamzori khkaaree.

This is what i am saying from the start that ANp was never honest with pashtuns.They are freindly to india cus of their relation to congress party before the partition.They also play the drama of lar o bar but in reality they are the loyal servants of punjabi establishment.
They confused the pashtun nation.
From now their position is clear that they are pakipied and not pashtunists.
They are fully exposed.
I do not have the video where wali said lar o bar yaw afghan ghwaro but most party members knew that he said that more then one time to make fool of pashtuns and afghan leaders.
yousufzai knew it more then us but the party is doing everything to prove their pakistanyat now cus afghanistan is in weak position.

One last question why did the afzal khan lala of anp arranged durand conferance twice

[Michin Khel]

Khudai khidmatgars never advocated independant pakhtunistan state or loy Afghanistan, so they have not betrayed those who wants loy afghanistan or free pakhtunistan.....their demand as khudai khidmatgars before 1947 was freedom from colonial british rule and for that they worked with congress. I dont think they launched their khudai khidmatgar movement for joining afghanistan. If i am wrong then plz correct me. It was social reformation movement as well as political movement and entirely confined within present day KPK particularly peshawer valley......it was blunder of greatest proportion, to participate in indian politics, what has pashtuns any thing to do with hindostan? It was never our identity. Their primary goal should have been independence of pakhtun lands from british occupation and joining it with Afghanistan.....the entire idea of non-violence was useless, they should have carried on with social reformation and education as well as should have mobilized pakhtuns against farangis....warriors like pakhtuns with organizational structure could have been proved most deadly foes of british...they had the ability to provide single plateform for disunited and decentralized pakhtuns....instead they wasted time on indian politics and suffered at the end, betrayed by their hindu allies.
Wali khan once asked gandhi about concept of non-violence'. .... 'How about the hen that responds back violently when her child is attacked? .....gandhi ji had no answer. Concept of jihad in islam is for a reason.
And shehbaz is right, bacha khan demand was autonomous province of pakhtunistan within pakistan, Afghanistan falsely propagated it as Azad pakhtunistan state demand.....both Afghans and punjabis/mohajirs are still confused about it.....

[Michin Khel]

Mehsuds and wazirs have killed more british soldiers than any one in subcontinent, yet with no proper end result...Afridis were using british soldiers for sniping practice , nothing else...Mad faqir saidullah led disorganized malakand revolt in response to division of pakhtuns in durand line treaty and failed.....Afghans waged 3rd anglo-afghan to liberate tribal areas and NWFP , but lar pakhtuns didnt rise in rebellion against british...despite inflicting double casaulties on british, afghanistan lost the war and lar pakhtuns of NWFP were watching tamasha......faqir of ipi made the waziristan hell for british and later was involved in pakhtunistan movement but it remained waziristan phenomena.......in old times people used to wait for charismatic leader to lead them, in 20th century we badly needed a strong organization.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Khudai khidmatgars never advocated independant pakhtunistan state or loy Afghanistan, so they have not betrayed those who wants loy afghanistan or free pakhtunistan.....their demand as khudai khidmatgars before 1947 was freedom from colonial british rule and for that they worked with congress. I dont think they launched their khudai khidmatgar movement for joining afghanistan. If i am wrong then plz correct me. It was social reformation movement as well as political movement and entirely confined within present day KPK particularly peshawer valley......it was blunder of greatest proportion, to participate in indian politics, what has pashtuns any thing to do with hindostan? It was never our identity. Their primary goal should have been independence of pakhtun lands from british occupation and joining it with Afghanistan.....the entire idea of non-violence was useless, they should have carried on with social reformation and education as well as should have mobilized pakhtuns against farangis....warriors like pakhtuns with organizational structure could have been proved most deadly foes of british...they had the ability to provide single plateform for disunited and decentralized pakhtuns....instead they wasted time on indian politics and suffered at the end, betrayed by their hindu allies.
Wali khan once asked gandhi about concept of non-violence'. .... 'How about the hen that responds back violently when her child is attacked? .....gandhi ji had no answer. Concept of jihad in islam is for a reason.
And shehbaz is right, bacha khan demand was autonomous province of pakhtunistan within pakistan, Afghanistan falsely propagated it as Azad pakhtunistan state demand.....both Afghans and punjabis/mohajirs are still confused about it.....

Mr. Luffy do you know under what circumstances KKs joined Congress? Do you think was the dream of an independent Pakhtunkhwa(or any party of United India) possible without the independence of Delhi?
Yea Khudai Khidmatgar movement was a social reformation movement which later on turned to be a political movement for the independence of Pakhtunkhwa. It was a regional movement confined to Peshawar vally and the rest of India were unaware of what was happening here. The KKs were brutally tortured, and disrespected by Firangees and their Majab khor Khans and Nawabs. Bacha khan in his book "my life and struggle" says that most of our leaders including me were in Hyderabad jail and the firangees sieged Charsadda the KKs were dragged out of their homes they were undressed before their wives, they were badly beaten most of them died due to extensive torture. their homes were set on fire and their families were driven out of their villages. Two of my companians some how managed to bring this sad news. In the meantime Abdul Qayum Khan of Swabi (who was in Muslim Leage) met me and gave me an advice to join either ML or Congress, the two main stream parties otherwise you and your people will be crushed badly and the rest of Hindustan would be unaware of you people. I sought the advice of my Shura and they agreed. First we sent a delegation of KKs to Mr. Jinnah but he rejected our proposal of joining hand with ML saying that "you people are under severe anger of Firangees and by joining hands with you i don't want me and my party in hard water". Later on we met Mr. Gandhi and he whole heartedly accepted our suggestion and thus we came into alliance with Congress. Now it was good for us in the sense that if there had been some brutalities from Firangees in Pakhtunkhwa the Congress would protest and raise their voice in Delhi against it and thus we were able to convey our message to the high ups of the British govt. and people now begin to acknowledge our sacrifices for independence movement.

As far as "non violence" policy of KKs is concerned Bacha khan says that i have learnt it from the life of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H), KKS and Congress bother were the supporters of Non-violence but after the partition Gandhi wrote to Bacha khan:
"Your nation is far superior than mine. We both agreed to act upon on the policy of Non-violence, you people stood firm on your faith and their was no bloodshed in Pakhtunkhwa instead the KKs helped the non muslims there but here in India the Hindus didn't acted upon on the nonv-violence doctrine and thus millions of innocent people lost their lives......I solute your nation"

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

I do not have the video where wali said lar o bar yaw afghan ghwaro but most party members knew that he said that more then one time to make fool of pashtuns and afghan leaders.
yousufzai knew it more then us but the party is doing everything to prove their pakistanyat now cus afghanistan is in weak position.

One last question why did the afzal khan lala of anp arranged durand conferance twice

There have been several conference and Jirga's which were highly participated by politicians, poets, journalists and intellectuals from both side of the Durand line. But none of it was for Lwey Afghanistan or Pakhtunistan issu. These jirga's and conferences are generally for pointing out the problems that pakhtuns are facing today and seeking it solutions and most of the renowned politicians including Asfandyar, Mehmood khan, Sherpao, Fazlur Rehman etc have attended it. Does that mean Fazlur Rehman and Sherpao are supportors of Lwy Afghanistan?
Wrora Yo ghar bal ghar ma ola. Go to National Assembly's library or to "University Book Agency Peshawar" you can get Speechs of Bacha khan to the constituent assembly of Pakistan there watch or read it and you will know what was bacha khan's opinion. Asy mung la mazgha' ma kharabawa

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

This is what i am saying from the start that ANp was never honest with pashtuns.They are freindly to india cus of their relation to congress party before the partition.They also play the drama of lar o bar but in reality they are the loyal servants of punjabi establishment.

So according to you if a party is against the the concept of Lwy Afghanistan or Pashtunistan it is not honest? They were against the partition of India and they won people mandate and defeated ML who were contesting on the name of Pakistan. Again after partition ANP came in power several times though they have nothing like "Lwy Afghanistan" or "Pakhtunistan" in their manifesto, it means people of Pakhtunkhwa do not want any of them they are happy in Pakistan and are demanding for their rights within its boundaries. Also if people have rejected ANP it is not because they are not rising their voice for Afghanistan or Pakhtunistan but due to other reasons. and if still you think that people here want separation from pakistan, show me a single Pakistani pashtun on this forum who thinks so.