Karzai to visit India; Afghans look for enhanced defence ties

[Toramana]

Now Barakzai Mullah Saib will come and try to support Talal ---The guy has unwavering loyalty to Zial-ul-Haq the first amirul momineen before Mullah Omar...

[Toramana]

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

Neighbors eye Sharif with caution
By Fatemeh Aman

WASHINGTON - Following on Nawaz Sharif's victory in the May 11 national elections in Pakistan, many analysts are indicating cautious optimism on the prospect that the new prime minister can strengthen bilateral relations with the country's neighbors, particularly India.

While entrenched interests among Pakistan's powerful security establishment co

[Toramana]

New great game in Afghanistan tugs at China and India

Read more: New great game in Afghanistan tugs at China and India - The National

[Michin Khel]

And ISI has given warning through its ally haqqani network. Kabul: After Karzai visit bomb blasts near Indian embassy - Oneindia News

[khushal]

Common sense is missing with some Pakistani officials.

Actually pakistani officials are boxed in a corner. Karzai who is being cozy with India is forcing the Pakistanis to support the Taliban even more than before.

Put yourself in the Pakistani officials position Admin Khana. What would you do if you were being boxed in by India from the east and and India friendly Afghan gov from the north and west. Even though them supporting the taliban have created an internal insurgency, they still view that as better than being boxed in.

The only party benefiting here is India and paksitani panjab is pretty insulated from the violence while pashtuns on both sides burn. Moral of the story, Karzai is an idiot who is burning his own people so India can prosper.

[Toramana]

Actually pakistani officials are boxed in a corner. Karzai who is being cozy with India is forcing the Pakistanis to support the Taliban even more than before.

Put yourself in the Pakistani officials position Admin Khana. What would you do if you were being boxed in by India from the east and and India friendly Afghan gov from the north and west. Even though them supporting the taliban have created an internal insurgency, they still view that as better than being boxed in.

The only party benefiting here is India and paksitani panjab is pretty insulated from the violence while pashtuns on both sides burn. Moral of the story, Karzai is an idiot who is burning his own people so India can prosper.

Don't be so loyal to your Punjabi bapos although I know you are a benamos Hizb-i-Gulbadinni---The point is who actually started it all ---Karzai has been compelled to seek India's help because your Punjabi bapos are not content with any thing less than Kabul---

But shame and honour is nothing for you and Barakzai. Fanaticism is driven by a basic irrationality.

[Michin Khel]

The problem is india is hesitant, Wary of Pakistan, India hesitant over Karzai wish list for military hardware - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site

[Admin Khan]

Actually pakistani officials are boxed in a corner. Karzai who is being cozy with India is forcing the Pakistanis to support the Taliban even more than before.

Put yourself in the Pakistani officials position Admin Khana. What would you do if you were being boxed in by India from the east and and India friendly Afghan gov from the north and west. Even though them supporting the taliban have created an internal insurgency, they still view that as better than being boxed in.

The only party benefiting here is India and paksitani panjab is pretty insulated from the violence while pashtuns on both sides burn. Moral of the story, Karzai is an idiot who is burning his own people so India can prosper.

Afghanistan is a SOVEREIGN country, Afghanistan never objects when Pakistan gets cozy with Israel, or its allies now does it? Recognize that Afghanistan and India being allies should NOT be Pakistan's concern, if one agrees that it should, then it implies Afghanistan is not sovereign. Afghanistan is NOT boxing Pakistan.

[khushal]

Don't be so loyal to your Punjabi bapos although I know you are a benamos Hizb-i-Gulbadinni---The point is who actually started it all ---Karzai has been compelled to seek India's help because your Punjabi bapos are not content with any thing less than Kabul---

But shame and honour is nothing for you and Barakzai. Fanaticism is driven by a basic irrationality.

If you knew history, you would know who started it all dumbshyt. Afghanistans pashtunistan policy has been disasterous and the reason it was disasterous was because of your banamos and baighyrat ANP who like to suckle on panjabi sticks who refused to side with Daud Khan. History did not start with the Taliban or Gulbadin, it started decades before.
The first punches were thrown by Afghanistan.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-talk-11/wowra-37575/

[khushal]

Afghanistan is a SOVEREIGN country, Afghanistan never objects when Pakistan gets cozy with Israel, or its allies now does it? Recognize that Afghanistan and India being allies should NOT be Pakistan's concern, if one agrees that it should, then it implies Afghanistan is not sovereign. Afghanistan is NOT boxing Pakistan.

I am not Talal, Admin Khana. I am not defending pakistan, I am telling you to recognize what the pakistani are thinking. They do not care about the sovereignty of Afghanistan, they, like all nations, care about their own interests and nothing else. What I am telling you is that Karzai is not caring about his nations interests, it seems as though he cares more about India's interests. Karzai has not learned from Dauds mistakes, at the end even Daud realized that he should break away from Soviet dependence and diversify his trade and economic agreements with Iran, Pakistan and the Gulf nations.

In reality, you cant play the sovereignty card if there are 160,000+ foreign troops in the country fighting the battle for the government that the same foreign troops installed.

[DSM0305]

I am not Talal, Admin Khana. I am not defending pakistan, I am telling you to recognize what the pakistani are thinking. They do not care about the sovereignty of Afghanistan, they, like all nations, care about their own interests and nothing else. What I am telling you is that Karzai is not caring about his nations interests, it seems as though he cares more about India's interests. Karzai has not learned from Dauds mistakes, at the end even Daud realized that he should break away from Soviet dependence and diversify his trade and economic agreements with Iran, Pakistan and the Gulf nations.

In reality, you cant play the sovereignty card if there are 160,000+ foreign troops in the country fighting the battle for the government that the same foreign troops installed.

So when Pakistan do something it is carrying about their interest, but when Afghanistan do something, they don't? Sorry brother, but I just cant seems to understand the logic behind that.
First of all, if Pakistan care about their interest they would have built a better relation with Afghanistan. Let me tell you what these Pakistanis(punjabis) think, they think Pashtuns are savages and should be ruled by them. They have removed any Pashtun nationalism by using Islam as tool(in both side of durand line)
Second of all, as I mention before. Paksitan will support insurgence in Afghanistan regardless of the relationship between Afghanistan and India. Which makes it only natural for Afghanistan to strengthen the relation with India.
The thing Pakistan need to understand is, Pashtuns are no slave of Pakistan. They cant expect we follow them like a bunch of dogs regardless how they threat us. Currently Afghanistan sees no future in Pakistan due to history and past.
Pakistans future solely relies on Afghanistan. Afghanistan have seen it all, good times, bad times, terror, warlords etc. Afghans/Pashtuns are already in a bad situation, but Afghans/Pashtuns have the capability to drag these punjabis with them.
The thing is if these Punjabis dont start to play smart, their future is doomed. Punjabis are no superpower and therefore cant make mistakes and haven't the capability to act superior.

[ډګروال]

So when Pakistan do something it is carrying about their interest, but when Afghanistan do something, they don't? Sorry brother, but I just cant seems to understand the logic behind that.
First of all, if Pakistan care about their interest they would have built a better relation with Afghanistan. Let me tell you what these Pakistanis(punjabis) think, they think Pashtuns are savages and should be ruled by them. They have removed any Pashtun nationalism by using Islam as tool(in both side of durand line)
Second of all, as I mention before. Paksitan will support insurgence in Afghanistan regardless of the relationship between Afghanistan and India. Which makes it only natural for Afghanistan to strengthen the relation with India.
The thing Pakistan need to understand is, Pashtuns are no slave of Pakistan. They cant expect we follow them like a bunch of dogs regardless how they threat us. Currently Afghanistan sees no future in Pakistan due to history and past.
Pakistans future solely relies on Afghanistan. Afghanistan have seen it all, good times, bad times, terror, warlords etc. Afghans/Pashtuns are already in a bad situation, but Afghans/Pashtuns have the capability to drag these punjabis with them.
The thing is if these Punjabis dont start to play smart, their future is doomed. Punjabis are no superpower and therefore cant make mistakes and haven't the capability to act superior.

wake up from your sleep.

the so called pashtun nationalists such as anp are stooges of the punjabis.
why do you think there wasnt any condemnation from them when pakistan invaded goshtha area and the firing of thousands of missiles into Kunar province.

Pashtun nationalism is nothinig less than retardation the same as punjabi nationalism.

Afrasiab khattak was the only one who reacted to it and he did so as a loyal servant of punjab by saying that Afghanistan is our "neighbouring country with which we have a BORDER , Afghanistan should react in a calm way". Now the enemies of Pashtun unity in Afghanistan are using his interview to claim that those people are pakis and durrand line should be recognised.

funny thing though the Pashtuns from Pukhtunkhwa on this forum also didnt condemn the pakistani incursion into Afghanistan,i bet they even support it.

so if it isnt lar aw bar Afghan and these lots support pakistani government crimes than what is the connection? should we declare them our enemies for facilitating punjabis?

[DSM0305]

wake up from your sleep.

the so called pashtun nationalists such as anp are stooges of the punjabis.
why do you think there wasnt any condemnation from them when pakistan invaded goshtha area and the firing of thousands of missiles into Kunar province.

Pashtun nationalism is nothinig less than retardation the same as punjabi nationalism.

Afrasiab khattak was the only one who reacted to it and he did so as a loyal servant of punjab by saying that Afghanistan is our "neighbouring country with which we have a BORDER , Afghanistan should react in a calm way". Now the enemies of Pashtun unity in Afghanistan are using his interview to claim that those people are pakis and durrand line should be recognised.

funny thing though the Pashtuns from Pukhtunkhwa on this forum also didnt condemn the pakistani incursion into Afghanistan,i bet they even support it.

so if it isnt lar aw bar Afghan and these lots support pakistani government crimes than what is the connection? should we declare them our enemies for facilitating punjabis?

wrora, what exactly are you talking about? What you just said don't even relate to what I said... And you wrote all that out of nowhere, so I am not quite sure what you referring to either...

[ډګروال]

wrora, what exactly are you talking about? What you just said don't even relate to what I said... And you wrote all that out of nowhere, so I am not quite sure what you referring to either...

my post was a reponse to you "they removed pashtun nationalism using Islam(on both sides)"

Pashtun nationalism is a vague term used by some people especially in Pukhtunkhwa to give themselves a sense of belonging while the same people are serving punjab and are pushing for destruction of Pashtuns and even were begging kiyani to invade waziristan and kill and desify more Pashtuns.

[khushal]

So when Pakistan do something it is carrying about their interest, but when Afghanistan do something, they don't? Sorry brother, but I just cant seems to understand the logic behind that.
First of all, if Pakistan care about their interest they would have built a better relation with Afghanistan. Let me tell you what these Pakistanis(punjabis) think, they think Pashtuns are savages and should be ruled by them. They have removed any Pashtun nationalism by using Islam as tool(in both side of durand line)
Second of all, as I mention before. Paksitan will support insurgence in Afghanistan regardless of the relationship between Afghanistan and India. Which makes it only natural for Afghanistan to strengthen the relation with India.
The thing Pakistan need to understand is, Pashtuns are no slave of Pakistan. They cant expect we follow them like a bunch of dogs regardless how they threat us. Currently Afghanistan sees no future in Pakistan due to history and past.
Pakistans future solely relies on Afghanistan. Afghanistan have seen it all, good times, bad times, terror, warlords etc. Afghans/Pashtuns are already in a bad situation, but Afghans/Pashtuns have the capability to drag these punjabis with them.
The thing is if these Punjabis dont start to play smart, their future is doomed. Punjabis are no superpower and therefore cant make mistakes and haven't the capability to act superior.

Wrora, your repeating Dauds Khans failed Pashtunistan policy. What you said has been tried and it failed and it is the sole reason why afghansitan was destroyed. Karzai is a moron, ties with India should only be through trade like it is with China, there should be no military ties with it, this policy will only strengthen Karzais foes, the Taliban. The greatest victim of this policy will be Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand and the greatest victor would be India as I have already explained.

Pashtun nationalists like Toramana ANP interests lies with Pakistan, not Afghanistan and that is why they never sided with Daud Khan when he was practically begging them to break free and join their motherland. The so called baighyrat ANP pashtun nationalists played Daud Khan like a fiddle. They used his policy to get what they wanted from Panjab by threatening them to leave if they(panjab) don't reciprocate, they(ANP Pashtun nationalists) did this by Using Panjab and Daud against each other to get what they wanted from both sides. You guys are not learning from past mistakes.

Look at Switzerland which is a landlocked country like afghansitan. They made trade agreements with everyone but never made military agreements with anyone and no one bothered them including Hitler who invaded all his neighbors but left the Swiss alone.