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    New Delhi: Ahead of its President's visit here from May 20, Afghanistan on Thursday said it was looking for enhanced defence cooperation with India, from where it was expecting supply of lethal and non-lethal military equipment.

    Afghan President Hamid Karzai will visit India on May 20-22 during which he will apprise the Indian leadership of the recent developments in the war-torn country, Afghanistan Ambassador to India Shaida M Abdali told reporters here.


    The two sides will discuss a range of issues of mutual concern and interest and will discuss cooperation at a "critical time" for Afghanistan, which is witnessing the withdrawal of NATO combat troops, the envoy said.

    The attempt will also be to think ahead with a shared vision, to meet the common challenges and achieve the common goals, Abdali said, adding "It is a critical time for all of us and we need to do more than what we are doing right now."


    Asserting that "India is dispositioned to play a leading role in the entire region for peace and economic development," the envoy made a strong pitch for enhanced defence cooperation between the two countries.

    "Training is most welcome. Other assistance in small stages is most welcome.....But we would like to go beyond the current trend of co-operation between the two countries in the defence sector," he said.

    Asked as to what kind of defence assistance Afghanistan was looking at from India, the Ambassador said, "The partnership agreement does not distinguish between lethal and non-lethal. We have talked about security and defence cooperation, this does not exclude lethal and non-lethal assistance to Afghanistan.

    "So, we would like to have both lethal and non-lethal assistance to our defence forces in Afghanistan."

    The Afghan envoy also welcomed the recent commitment of upgrading strategically important Chabahar port in Iran which would help India get access to the land-locked and resource- rich countries. An estimated USD 100 million is required for the modernisation of the port.

    "We would like to see the conclusion of the agreement on the Chabahar port. We are very happy that this is gathering momentum. We hope that we sign the trilateral trade agreement among India, Afghanistan and Iran as quickly as possible. We are optimistic after Indian minister Salman Khurshid's visit to Iran," the Afghanistan envoy said.

    Abdali also noted that 90 per cent of the transition process in Afghanistan was complete and in a few months time, the entire process will be over.

    "But that does not mean that Afghanistan will be totally on its own. Afghanistan will carry on within its institutional capacity but the supporting role will be there from our international allies, more important from the region and from India," he said.

    Asserting that India was "critically important" to Afghanistan, he said it needs to be apprised of the situation in Afghanistan.

    "Investment in the security of Afghanistan is in India's interest to prevent spillover effects of terrorism on Afghanistan," he said.

    "We are happy that India is playing a fundamental role in connecting the region and we would like India to adapt a more result-oriented role," Abdali said.

    During the visit, President Karzai will be conferred with an honorary doctorate degree from the Lovely Professional University in Jalandhar and will address the graduating students of the University, the statement said.

    "The visit of a head of a state (twice) within six months signifies the importance of the relationship between the two countries...He was here last year in November and again next week that means that the relationship is very strong and very, very deep," Abdali said.

    Afghanistan and India signed a comprehensive Strategic Partnership Agreement (SPA) in October 2011. The SPA serves as the foundation of the two nations expanding bilateral relationship in multiple sectors, including security and defence cooperation, as well as cultural and people-to people cooperation.

    Abdali said the agreement with India was also the basis of agreements with other countries.

    Karzai's visit was an integral part of regular bilateral consultations, reviewing the achievements of the two countries so far and prioritising issues of top interest and concern to the two sides, in light of the impending withdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan, he said, asserting that Afghanistan's relationship with India should not be looked from Pakistan angle.

    "We are two independent nations and are independent in the pursuit of our common goals," he said.

    Karzai to visit India; Afghans look for enhanced defence ties



  • #2
    How do you guys analyse this move by Karzai? Any thoughts?

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    • #3
      Pakistan has done nothing to reach out to afghanistan for friendship, instead they keep bombing and sending terrorists to them. I think Afghanistan has a right to whatever it wants with India

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      • #4
        I would like to know if this was more a reactionary move by Karzai, or rather strategically cumulative? So what would be result of this state visit?

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        • #5
          In any case you are absolutely right Karachi.

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          • #6
            @Comrade Well I dont think karzai has any other cards left to play but it is good for ANA to have a training program outside of NATO. It reduces there dependence on NATO and ensures a steady supply of informed cadets and arms as well.

            On the negative side it will create more friction with Pakistan which will probably ask taliban to up the ante, that might lead to further instability.

            A pragmatic rather than a confrontational approach is needed to stabilize the situation post 2014. If Pakistan, India and Afghanistan go back to their groups pre-2001 then I think it will invite nothing but instability. Lessons are not being learned by anyone.

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            Also I read that Karzai wants Artillery, Im not too sure about India's Artillery program maybe maulik can shed some light but as far as I know they themselves have a shortage.
            Last edited by Talal; 05-23-2013, 01:07 AM.
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            • #7
              Well that was precisely what I wanted to know if this was simply a tactical and reactionary move on part of Karzai?

              As far as the friction with Pakistan is concerned it has been there all along and unlikely to go away unless it is compelled otherwise which is of its own making and choice. Pakistan has been doing its bidding in its policy viz a viz Afghanistan so it should really not make any difference to the policy course it is treading, would you not agree? Please do tell us how will Taliban up the so called ante from what they are engaged in and how it will benefit Pakistan? Thanks in advance.

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              • #8
                Unlike Pakistan, Afghanistan has always maintained cordial relations with India. The visit of the president will definitely bring more harmony and peace among the two countries. It is quite necessary for a war enraged country.
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                • #9
                  Afghan president Hamid Karzai hands India weapons 'wish list'

                  Afghanistan's president, Hamid Karzai, today said he had handed a “wish list” to India seeking greater military and civilian support to fill the vacuum created by the withdrawal of Western next year – an undertaking that is likely to spark anxiety in neighbouring Pakistan.

                  On a two-day visit to India during which he has sought to build on an agreement signed in 2011, the Afghan leader claimed he was not permitted to go into specific details of the military hardware what he had asked for.

                  “We have a wish list that we have put before the government of India and it’s up to the government of India [to decide],” he added.

                  India already has an extensive, $2bn cooperation programme with Afghanistan and has supported road-building and the establishment of hospitals. It also trains Afghan police and army officers at military colleges in India. Mr Karzai said he wanted to “broaden” India’s support to fill the vacuum when up to 100,000 Western combat troops leave next year.

                  Mr Karzai is aware that India’s involvement in Afghanistan is of intense concern to Pakistan, a country that has always had a tense relationship with Kabul but whose role in liaising with the Taliban will be crucial to a peaceful transition – something he again acknowledged.

                  Afghanistan’s relationship with Islamabad has faced particular challenges in recent weeks, following border skirmishers between Afghan and Pakistani troops along the disputed Durand Line.

                  Speaking today to a group of Indian and international journalists, he again sought to reassure Pakistan that Afghanistan’s relationship with India should not be of undue concern.

                  “Afghanistan is a sovereign country and like all sovereign countries has the right to choose its own friends,” he said. “Pakistan is a neighbour, it is a close neighbour and the people of Pakistan have given us refuge for thirty years. India is a traditional friend and ally, particularly so over the last ten years.”

                  He added: “As we expand this relationship with India...our relationship with India will not be to the [detriment] of Pakistan or a cause of anxiety for Pakistan.”

                  Asked if the issue of deploying Indian troops in Afghanistan has been discussed during his two-day visit, he said it had not. But he said he had discussed maintaining India’s training of Afghan security forces and the sales of equipment. He said that once the establishment of a “Sandhurst-style” officers training college in Kabul is completed, Indian officers would be welcome to join US and British troops.

                  Mr Karzai repeated his claim that the situation in Afghanistan would improve once Western forces left. He said those forces attacking Afghanistan would find it more difficult to do so sand that the Afghan people would unite more effectively against them.


                  Asked about repeated allegations of corruption within his administration, he said he would take the claims seriously if they were made by Denmark or Norway. “But if it is the US, then I simply laugh about it,” he said, saying contracts involving the Western military were responsible for spreading corruption.

                  According to reports in the Indian media Mr Karzai held a meeting with Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday evening when he formally outlined his desire to expand defence ties that were initially signed in 2011. He also briefed his counterpart on the ongoing efforts to train Afghan security forces.

                  Mr Karzai also insisted he will not run for office again, saying he was “really, totally exhausted” and that it be damaging for both him and his country if he were to have another term. He said any attempt to seek a third term would harm his country’s democratic institutions and his legacy.

                  Under Afghanistan’s constitution the president is limited to two terms but there has been repeated speculation – always denied by him – that he might seek to amend the rules ahead of elections due to be held next year.

                  “No circumstances should allow me to stay as president,” he said. “And I will not allow it to happen.”


                  Afghan president Hamid Karzai hands India weapons 'wish list' - Asia - World - The Independent


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                  • #10
                    Ahmad Shah baba will be rolling in his grave



                    بود پرستاو ته وی سر ټیټی ته داسی ولاړ
                    نو په هر چوک کښی به سبا ولاړ وی بګوان


                    سړی یی مه بوله دا بی غیرته وطن فروش
                    پرپښتو څه کوی دا قرقول او چپن پوش
                    Last edited by ډګروال; 05-23-2013, 08:24 AM.

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                    • #11
                      dealing with India is indirectly dealing with America, just different puppets. Karzai is a puppet and does what he is told by the US, dealing with India could only be beneficial for them.
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                      like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                      • #12
                        He is a president. He can't stay home and lay eggs instead. He has to be active and build relations with the neighboring countries whether he means it or not. That is part of his job.
                        At some level, everyone is linked to America and having friendly relationship with them should not necessarily mean being their puppet. It's politics. Just because you are not at war with someone doesn't mean you are their puppet..It's understanding to see certain people get nervous by the idea though... and i hear, they are naming a street of some sort after im. now that is something to be suspicious about..

                        "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                          Well that was precisely what I wanted to know if this was simply a tactical and reactionary move on part of Karzai?

                          As far as the friction with Pakistan is concerned it has been there all along and unlikely to go away unless it is compelled otherwise which is of its own making and choice. Pakistan has been doing its bidding in its policy viz a viz Afghanistan so it should really not make any difference to the policy course it is treading, would you not agree? Please do tell us how will Taliban up the so called ante from what they are engaged in and how it will benefit Pakistan? Thanks in advance.
                          Well for one thing summer is here and its open season for taliban because to them right now is the best time to hit ANA when new areas all around Afghanistan are being handed over to Afghan Police and Army. The deployments will be fresh so easy to target and with less NATO backup they will be much more deadly. Karzai's overtures make it hard for Pakistan to pursue any other alternative except throwing even more support behind taliban and you will see that in terms of them increasing the border attacks to allow talibs to gain an even greater foothold in the tribal valleys.

                          Also the thing is if India doesn't oblige karzai and there aren't any indications it will in terms of actual heavy arms then it only serves to embolden Taliban and through them Pakistan in terms of pursuing its own agenda. So really time will tell, but like I said all three countries are going in exact opposite direction.
                          It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                          • #14
                            Talal,

                            My assessments of Karzai as he has evolved has become very calculative and conservative, particularly relating to issues of such strategic importance. Do you really think of him and his associates as being feckless and not really knowing what he is dealing with? I would not think so. Lets assume you are correct, what are then your cost and benefit analyses for Pakistan considering broader dynamics, the dawning realization that Pakistan economy is going downtrodden losing competitiveness with low growth rate, facing serious fiscal gap, and its foreign debt service becoming ever unsustainable. Your internal security becoming perilous mired with uncertainty to the extent that it has rendered for the first time the army and establishment to considered it as the prime national security threat and India being downgraded, the prospect that relation with U.S. runs seriously afoul and this time with some consequences all at the time when Pakistan faces international isolation already?

                            Don't you think it is time for change and was it all worth it? You could have easily befriended Afghanistan, and you still have the chance to.
                            Last edited by ComradePashtun; 05-23-2013, 01:23 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Talal, what do you offer to Afghanistan full-knowing that Pakistan is the source of instability with the tentacles of terrorism, havoc and mayhem stretching to the GHQ and militant sanctuaries? I appreciate you honest answers.

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