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    The Inevitable Peaceful Union of Pakistan and Afghanistan


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    Once the battle is lost and won.

    Once the hurly burly is done

    there will be time for peace and reconstruction

    in Afghanistan.

    Once the dust settles and the blood is washed.

    Once the flag goes up to full mast.

    Once the healing is done,

    and the battle and lost and won,

    it will be time to reassess our future.

    Jis qom me ghadar hun, us qom ke mazbut Qilhe bi rait ban jaate hain!



    ایک ھوں مسلم حرم کي پاسباني کے لیے

    نیل کے ساھل سے لےکر تا بکاخاک کاشگر



    Gauhar Ayub in his various writings procalims that King Zahir Shah of Afghanistan had agreed to a confederation with Pakistan with Zahir Shah as the titular head of state of the new country. Mr. Gauhar Ayub calls this an opportunity lost. The desire of uniting the Paskhtuns on both sides of the border is mutual.



    The Future of peace is Afghanistan.
    Jean Monnet recommended a United States of Europe. Some European like T.R. Reid, Andrew Reding, and Mark Leonard, among others, believe that the power of the hypothetical United States of Europe will rival that of the United States of America in the 21st century. Muslim intellectuals have been proposing a Muslim Union for Central Asia brought about by negotiations and discussion not warfare or conquest.



    Chaudhry Rehmat Ali was the Jean Monnet of South Asia. The Original “Now or Never” was produced in 1939 by Ch. Rehmat Ali. This is the new “Now or Never- 2007″. A Muslim Asian Common-market like ASEAN or the EU.



    “The Fatherland of Pak Nation (Ali 1940) “North West Frontier Province – is semantically non-descript and socially wrongful. It is non-descript because it merely indicates their geographical situation as a province of old ‘British India’ [which no longer exists]. It is wrongful because it suppresses the social entity of these people. In fact, it suppresses that entity so completely that when composing the name ‘Pakistan’ for our homelands, I had to call the North West Frontier Province the Afghan Province.“Choudhary Rahmat Ali in his book, “Pakistan”





    The merger of Afghanistan and Pakistan is inevitable.


    Pashtuns comprise over 15.42% of Pakistan’s population or 25.6 million people.[2] In Afghanistan, they make up an estimated 39%[19] to 42% of the population or 12.4 to 13.3 million people. The exact numbers remain uncertain, particularly in Afghanistan, and are affected by approximately 3 million Afghan refugees that remain in Pakistan, of which 81.5% or 2.49 million are ethnic Pashtuns.[3] An unknown number of refugees continue to reside in Iran.[20] A cumulative population assessment suggests a total of around 42 million across the region.



    While Pakistan continues to develop from a young nation to a mature one, after passing through a tumultuous history having fought & survived 3 wars with a determined enemy to its east, poverty, a changing world politically/economically, soviet intervention and hostility from neighboring Afghanistan and more recently Nuclear brinkmanship from India and the war on terror. Pakistan has proven itself to be resilient, determined and very much at the front-line of world affairs, a place which invokes passionate resolve despite the multitude of problems facing it, neighboring countries and the region as a whole.



    Many Political analysts, Afghans and Pakistani’s have discussed the possibility of forming a confederation between the two nations of Afghanistan & Pakistan.





    Initially, the two nations would function under considerable autonomy, sharing only security, monetary and trade relations(already existent) and later on, as relations solidify and improve, there can be greater cohesion by unifying the political structure of these two nations.



    There will no doubt be many hurdles on the way from pressure groups in both Pakistan & Afghanistan, but the idea of Afghanistan and Pakistan as united countries is not so far fetched and is a natural sequel of the region vis-a-vis current patterns of orientation, trade links, population movement, historical/cultural/linguistic spheres and public sentiment.



    If one reads through history, you’ll find that the modern lands of Pakistan where in fact ‘Afghanistan’ just a few hundred years ago prior to British occupation.



    In fact, the modern nation state of Afghanistan created by Shah Abdali consisted of all of modern day Afghanistan, and all of modern day Pakistan(including every province in it:Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab, Kashmir). Coincidentally, the current Pakistan India border used to be the ancient border with Afghanistan.



    I refer you to the following link from an Afghan site which shows a map during the time of Abdali






    While Pakistan has surplus foods and is an established rising economic/regional power it suffers from a lack of natural resources and dominance of certain ethnic groups(mainly Punjabi who make up 46% of population, with the pushtuns in 2nd place at 18%) and a minority of Muslim refugees known as muhajir who came from India at the time of independence and were disproportionately represented in the countries services despite being less than 6% of the population.

    In Afghanistan, the country suffers from severe food shortages, is landlocked, yet does contain many natural resources. Afghanistan also suffers bitter ethnic rivalry between the Pushtuns (about 40% of the population) and Tajiks(@ 27%) an urbanized, educated and elite group with both showing varying antagonism towards other smaller groups such as the Hazaras, Turkomen etc….

    Union/Confederation of Pakistan and Afghanistan would help these two former ‘Afghan Domains’ compliment each other, help create a healthy & equitable balance between ethnic groups in both countries and return these two countries to their original culture/linguistic borders.

    Many of the inherent difficulties the two nations currently suffer would in part be shared by the other half so to speak. Also, such a confederation would be a country of enormous potential, resources and strength in the region bringing along with it, stability, growth and prosperity to the entire region. It would also be by default a nuclear power and have considerable resources at its disposal.

    Political analyst have always stated that such a state is and most likely will be inevitable in the near future but the issue is not of if& how this will happen but rather of when it will happen!




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    http://pakistanledger.com/2009/09/18...d-afghanistan/


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  • #2
    A great article, please give it a read. It is worth it.

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    • #3
      May I know who wrote this article? These ideas of confederation sounded wonderful back in 1947 or `70, but not anymore. We Pashtuns are already a backyard to Islamabad any further push will make us worse. I don't know why you are advocated for others. Afghanistan without a proper army, bureaucracy, and economy can't support that idea since it will just mean it will cede whatever sovereignty it had over to Islamabad (and from there to whoever else).

      BTW first why don't we unite Afghan/Pashtun land within Pakistan before such wet dreams?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
        Afghanistan without a proper army, bureaucracy, and economy can't support that idea since it will just mean it will cede whatever sovereignty it had over to Islamabad (and from there to whoever else).
        I would agree with that, but, if you read the article it says, the initial process should be a slow long drawn process of only partial cooperation which will then slowly grow and unify.

        So, what you fear will not happen.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Khushal Khan Khattak View Post
          I would agree with that, but, if you read the article it says, the initial process should be a slow long drawn process of only partial cooperation which will then slowly grow and unify.

          So, what you fear will not happen.
          Khushal Khattak, I have heard these things before. Don't fear about strategic depth nothing will happen. Don't fear about hindus, because 10 hindus = 1 muslim (then 65 debacle and 71). Please be realistic. It is not in our interest to be overwhelmed by Pakistan, when:

          - we within Pashtunkhwa are not allowed the decency of political unity and autonomy.
          - Afghanistan has no real army, so in essence they are giving up one foreigner for another.
          - Pakistan (minus Baloch and Pashtun areas) share zero cultural links with Afghanistan (no more no less than north India). What you are proposing to me seems like those dreams Zia ul haq and Hameed Gul had.
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          • #6
            I saw the website - a typical ISPR propaganda site. No wonder these peons of the Punjabi establishment will come up with such ideas and the immature juvenilers like KKK and SK will consider it a historic and heroic task to refer people to these utopian ideas.

            The idea of the unification if being proposed by Pakistan has only two meanings :

            1) An indication that Pakistan is ceasing to exist in the near future hence wants to find a historic and geographic justification for its survival.

            2) To make Afghanistan her fifth province officially if Pakistan survives

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
              It is not in our interest to be overwhelmed by Pakistan, when:
              If you read the article, you will know that, if it were to happen, the most to benefit from it will be us Afghans. We will dominate everything, it will be a balancing equation for us and the Punjabis and Tajiks/Uzbeks.

              Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
              - we within Pashtunkhwa are not allowed the decency of political unity and autonomy.
              Yes! but to get political rights in the FATA i.e. remove FCR, the people there must act themselves or ANP and other political parties, I have posted many articles which show this process has already begun and many political parties want the FCR to be abolished and want more privileges FATA.

              In the end, it must come from the people themselves, like anywhere else in the world.

              Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
              - Afghanistan has no real army, so in essence they are giving up one foreigner for another.
              It has one now, anyways, the process in the article describes a slow process over many decades, like post World War 2 Europe till the formation of the European Union, which was almost 20-30 years.

              Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
              - Pakistan (minus Baloch and Pashtun areas) share zero cultural links with Afghanistan (no more no less than north India).
              That would actually be not true, Afghans throughout the history for the last one thousand years have spread throughout the ares of Pakistan, the Sultantae of Bhopal in India even today is of an Afghan from Buner Pakistan.

              The biggest example is Syed Ali Hajweyree, also known as Data Ganj Bakhsh, he was a Pukhtoon Syyed from Ghazni and now everybody knows him as the Data Ganj Bakhsh of Lahore.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by muhsina View Post
                No wonder these peons of the Punjabi establishment will come up with such ideas and the immature juvenilers like KKK and SK will consider it a historic and heroic task to refer people to these utopian ideas.
                Dear, you are just being paranoid about nothing, had you actually read the article, you would have known that, the:

                Originally posted by muhsina View Post
                the Punjabi establishment will come up with such ideas

                that you so fondly call them are actually the ares of our last greatest Afghan leader, Ahmad Shah Baba himself:




                So it is not a foreign or far fetched idea!! it is just History repeating itself, only better this time.


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                • #9
                  Khushal you just proved my point about cultural links, you immediately had to cite other areas of India. So as you see they don't have any links. This is apparent from their very culture.

                  As I told you these ideas made sense before, but now it won't as we can't even garner any political unity for the pashtuns within Pakistan. How can you expect to extend it to Afghanistan. You are worried about a balancing equation, listen panjab and Sindh understand that, and why on earth would they support it?

                  People have been arguing against FCR for ages, but it is the army which would not like to reverse this. You are again not listening to my major query. How will this benefit Pashtuns when ultimately we are seen as a strategic backyard of Islamabad? This is the crux of the issue. We within Pashtunkhwa are not given proper autonomy and expect to get it in this fantasy? Please Khushal bas dae nur.

                  That was an empire Khushal, not a state. The only state within it was Pashtunkhwa, and the rest were not citizens. And post-war Europe is not the same at all.
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                  • #10
                    In late 1950s, Aslam Khattak, etc. worked on this idea but it was sabataged by Punjabis because they feared their demographic strength vis-a-vis non-Punjabis would be weakened by the increase in Pashtun numbers. Punjabis like General Punjab-ul-Haq, General Hamid Gul, etc. came up with slightly modified version of the idea in 1990s i.e., the idea of an Afghanistan that is kind of protectorate of Pakistan with foreign policy under the direct control of Paakki generals and with limited level of internal autonomy.

                    Punjo generals and their Pathan cronies still believe that Afghanistan will break and the Pashtun part will join Pakistan. But those who can understand how could the disintegration of Afghanistan potentially bolster the demand for Pashtunistan advocate a regional order in which Afghanistan seves as a client state to Pakistan.

                    It is not difficult to guess the implications of a union between Pakistan and Afghanistan for regional and global order i.e., it will be the expansion of a state that is already an anthema to the world for its role in propagating and exporting religious extremism. An elarged Pakistan will also sit another trend in motion i.e., territorial expansion based on religion, which will threaten the Central Asian states, Iran, China (Sinkiang), Russia (Chechniya), etc. It will also be against the interests of Western powers, who will have to face the reality of an expanded Islamic fundamentalist state in Central-South Asia armed with nuclear arsenal and having the potential to alter geopolitical order in the energy-rich Middle East, Central Asia, and Caspian basic. Then you also have India in the equation, whose integrity will be directly threatened by the enlargement of Pakistan.

                    One laughs when one knows the lofty ambitions of Punjabi generals and their Pathan co-opts.
                    Last edited by Toramana; 07-08-2010, 03:59 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Pushtunistan: Now or Never. No watered-down versions. Please.
                      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                      "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                      • #12
                        European Union cannot seve as a model for the proposed union between Pakistan and Afghanistan. In European Union, the member states have democratic systems in place based on secular-liberal traditions and consolidated by stable economies. Their social and cultural values are also similar. Most importantly, the union is voluntary not forced on the member states.

                        What is happening here is, an authoritarian state Pakistan ruled by a ruthless civil-military oligarchy is trying to swallow Afghanistan through a game of attrition. It is like what the Tzarist Russia did with Central Asian states.

                        It is ironical that the name of a Pashtun who was one of the poineers of Pashtun nationalist movement and hero of Pashtuns' struggle for freedom from Mughals is being used by a person selling the grand Punjabi imperialist idea of Afg-Pak to the Pashtuns here. Ranjt Singh also had the same ambitions.
                        Last edited by Toramana; 07-08-2010, 04:03 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                          European Union cannot seve as a model for the proposed union between Pakistan and Afghanistan. In European Union, the member states have democratic systems in place based on secular-liberal traditions and consolidated by stable economies. Their social and cultural values are also similar. Most importantly, the union is voluntary not forced on the member states.

                          What is happening here is, an authoritarian state Pakistan ruled by a ruthless civil-military oligarchy is trying to swallow Afghanistan through a game of attrition. It is like what the Tzarist Russia did with Central Asian states.
                          I don't know what is more tragic, the fact that we have Pashtuns cheer leading for someone else's interests (as usual) or the fact that non-pashtuns are dictating the geographic boundaries of our moranaee wathan. I think if Baloch were as numerous as we were they would make better use of it.
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