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  • Afghans/Pashtuns condemn Leslie H. Gelb and his nonsense diatribes against Afghans

    Dear Leslie H. Gelb,

    I hope you are in good health.

    There used to be a time, when someone would write what I like to call journalism. However, our friend Leslie Gelb seems to have been sleeping in most of his classes, since despite the USA's obvious involvement in Afghanistan, he thinks Afghanistan simply has two ethnic groups, Pashtuns and Non-Pashtuns. Leslie also thinks the two(in his silly uneducated mind)are ready to chop off each others head. Due to his lack of awareness, he doesn't realize that there exists non-Pashtuns in the Taliban as well, and the term Taliban has lost its original meaning, nowadays it's a blanket statement which can be applied to anyone who is anti-American.

    Leslie Gelb thinks being a patriotic American implies speaking nonsense at the expense of lies, acting ignorant, and he is unfortunately serving as an example to those who think Americans are backward and can't think. Even a quick Google search could've taught him that Afghanistan does not simply have two ethnic groups, it is a dynamic society, with each ethnic group having loyalists towards a particular political or militant group. The Northern Alliance had Mullah Naqib, a powerful Pashtun from Kandahar, as his ally to fight against the Taliban. I can mention several examples like the aforementioned but the point remains the same, we here at PF ask Leslie to refrain from his baseless assumptions, and to pick up a book on Afghanistan before you decide to publish an article.

    Aside from the obvious burn he has received from Afghan intellectuals on twitter(from all ethnic groups)he has yet to issue an apology for his silly articles that he calls journalism. PF condemns his nonsense, and requests him to educate himself, and do some research on Afghanistan, and women, before he decides to type at 50 words per minute. Research should serve as a foundation for any article, unfortunately Leslie Gelb was snoring when he was taught that valuable lesson.

    We forgive Leslie for his nonsense, even if he does not formally apologize, and hope that in the future, he does some research before he begins his chest-thumping, in hope of displaying his patriotism, which instead displays him as an ignorant, uneducated American, who didn't bother conducting elementary research before he penned his article. Humans make mistakes and blunders, and we hope that Leslie H Gelb learns from his mistake.

    Caveat to Leslie Gelb:
    Notice how I didn't get political, but I do want to mention that remember it was the USA who installed Karzai along with a bunch of war-lords in Afghanistan as the Afghan representatives. Afghans never asked for war lords and Karzai, we shoved it up their throats, and now that our own puppet is disobeying us, we are butt-hurt. Perhaps you should do some research on that as well.

    Thank you.
    -PF
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

  • #2
    Well she kind of has a point. Pashtuns and non Pashtuns (especially tajiks) are secretly against each other. Ethnic tensions are probably the worst in our country than any other country. And karzai isn't a puppet of America, that's all conspiracy theory.
    Last edited by Kushan Prince; 03-23-2013, 01:50 PM.
    "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

    -Old Pashtun proverb




    "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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    • #3
      Was this sent to Gelb or posted in a space for him to see? Either way, excellent letter.
      I don't make monkeys, I just train them.

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      • #4
        Hi Khwazun,

        I only posted it here, after I read his article. Once Google crawls this page, and indexes it, when someone Googles his name, they should be stumbling on this page(that might take some time). If someone wants to e-mail him this thread, or bring it to his attention, that would be great.

        @Kushan_Prince,
        Karzai was installed by the USA, go back in history.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Say's who?

          Like i said that's all conspiracy theories, i can say that Rabbani was installed by the Russians and Ahmad Shah massoud but I would be contradicting my self.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #6
            Pashtuns and non Pashtuns (especially tajiks) are secretly against each other. Ethnic tensions are probably the worst in our country than any other country.
            Are you certain? The interpreters I talked to about this told me that before the NA vs Taliban civil war different ethnic groups got along fine, that this was the status they wanted to get back to. Everyone working for us, Interpreters and Drivers, disliked Pakistanis more than anyone, to the point of not speaking with them.
            " په دي خاطر چي دي موږ په ملکي لاس وهنه کوي "
            په پښتو ژبه ټایپ کول تاسو غواري؟ بيا داسې وکړي چې
            دلته وهي

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SiiNii View Post
              Are you certain? The interpreters I talked to about this told me that before the NA vs Taliban civil war different ethnic groups got along fine, that this was the status they wanted to get back to. Everyone working for us, Interpreters and Drivers, disliked Pakistanis more than anyone, to the point of not speaking with them.
              " په دي خاطر چي دي موږ په ملکي لاس وهنه کوي "
              That was BEFORE, im talking about now.
              "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

              -Old Pashtun proverb




              "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                Say's who?

                Like i said that's all conspiracy theories, i can say that Rabbani was installed by the Russians and Ahmad Shah massoud but I would be contradicting my self.
                You are saying Karzai is not installed? Their original pick was Abdul Haq, but when he got killed they went to their old friend Hamid. He had links with central intelligence going way back... why is it conspiracy when he has dynacorp gaurds???
                "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                  If someone wants to e-mail him this thread, or bring it to his attention, that would be great.
                  I tried searching an e-mail contact on him but produced nothing. If anyone has his contact info I'll send a copy of the letter over.

                  @Kushan Prince, In what ways is the notion of Karzai being installed by the US a "conspiracy theory"? I'm not trying to press you here, I'm genuinely trying to understand what you believe and what it's foundations are. Barakzai touched on his connections with CIA and a bit of research will yield a plethora of information on Karzai's past as well as the inner aspects of exactly how he came to power.
                  I don't make monkeys, I just train them.

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                  • #10
                    The U.S. Installing Karzai is NOT a conspiracy theory; Karzai was first brought into the public spectrum as apart of the U.S. Occupation and Invasion of Afghanistan. BOTH of his Re-Elections were marked with corruption and Human Rights Watch reported instances of coerced/threatened votes from militia groups that were U.S. Armed and Favored by Karzai.

                    Just like we need to avoid mindlessly parroting conspiracy theory; we also need to avoid mindlessly disregarding everything as a conspiracy theory, especially when there's historical data and organizations like Human Rights Watch involved.
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #11
                      In Afghanistan problem of racism began post soviet invasion, Otherwise nobody knew about it before 60s and 70s. All the races were living in harmoney even marring each other. I know a guy from paktia married to panjsheiri.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ufo973 View Post
                        In Afghanistan problem of racism began post soviet invasion, Otherwise nobody knew about it before 60s and 70s. All the races were living in harmoney even marring each other. I know a guy from paktia married to panjsheiri.
                        Actualy thats not true, yes some married pansjheiri women, but the same familys wouldn't let there doughters marry a pansjeri men....

                        Actualy some of the old generation didn't even concidered Tajiks Hazaras and Uzbakcs as Afghans, its actualy now that Afghan=every ethnicity in Afghanistan, the only thing was, is that peopel had more respect to each other cultures and were not hostile, that was the glue that held Afghanistan toghether, becuase lets face it, there was no law that forbid other ethinicities from speaking there own language or having there own culture.

                        The only time racism and hate began, was after the fall of Najibullah regime, when the so called holy mujhhids showed there true faces, and after them Taliban didn't to that much of good either, by baning Dari from the goverment.

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                        • #13
                          They didn't ban Dari, its just that when the capital was shifted back to Kandahar, and 100percent of Kandahar speaks Pashto, it was in the interest of Tajiks, Uzbeks to sharpen Pashto since it was needed to communicate with the Taliban, or while they are in Kandahar for their administrative issues. That's another topic, lets leave it for later. When the capital is the heart of Pashtun culture and Pashto, it is beyond natural for people to learn Pashto simply since it was needed to survive, etc.
                          Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                          A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                          For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                          The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                          -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                            They didn't ban Dari, its just that when the capital was shifted back to Kandahar, and 100percent of Kandahar speaks Pashto, it was in the interest of Tajiks, Uzbeks to sharpen Pashto since it was needed to communicate with the Taliban, or while they are in Kandahar for their administrative issues. That's another topic, lets leave it for later. When the capital is the heart of Pashtun culture and Pashto, it is beyond natural for people to learn Pashto simply since it was needed to survive, etc.
                            But I heard that they also use Mazar as the capital once???

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                              But I heard that they also use Mazar as the capital once???
                              During the Taliban regime, Kandahar was the capital of Afghanistan.
                              Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                              A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                              For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                              The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                              -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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