Does thinking for yourself automatically dub you as a conspiracist?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

If it was screwed up, nature would have destroyed it a long time ago like the way your maternal ancestors culture of burying daughters alive was destroyed.

IT's destroying it now!!!! It only lasted 700 years pretty stinky lifeline for a culture.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

How is questioning your source and your logic an apology for anything. Your mad because I revealed the errors in your source and your logic. Your the centcomm of manipulation and hypocrisy.

Now you're trying to distort the issue away from the topic; this was about your ATTEMPT to rationalize why Pashtun culture hates/resent the birth of women but cheers the birth of men.

Had nothing to do with MY Logic or sources; ...that's a red herring you're trying to divert focus with. This is about YOUR logic that is POORLY established by your fabricated reasons for why this happens. THis is stuff YOU fabricate which makes it an APOLOGETIC.

Considering that you're attempting to warp and twist heinous injustices as a virtuous culture .. it'd be you thats CENTCOM of manipulation and hypocrisy as well since that's what it takes to validate disgusting customs

No wonder Pashtun women run away with foreigners whenever they get the chance. With people like you around you're basically DRIVING them into their arms.

[khushal]

IT's destroying it now!!!! It only lasted 700 years pretty stinky lifeline for a culture.

Your own opinion based on nothing.
If it was destroying it now, the americans would not be looking for an exit. The culture like always is once again repelling the invaders. It was NATOs first mission and the culture withstood the onslaught of 40+ of the most powerful nations on earth against a culture armed with nothing.

[khushal]

Now you're trying to distort the issue away from the topic; this was about your ATTEMPT to rationalize why Pashtun culture hates/resent the birth of women but cheers the birth of men.

strawman fallacy, I never said those things. your making things up.

Had nothing to do with MY Logic or sources; ...that's a red herring you're trying to divert focus with. This is about YOUR logic that is POORLY established by your fabricated reasons for why this happens. THis is stuff YOU fabricate which makes it an APOLOGETIC.
Considering that you're attempting to warp and twist heinous injustices as a virtuous culture .. it'd be you thats CENTCOM of manipulation and hypocrisy as well since that's what it takes to validate disgusting customs

you made a claim and I found errors in your source and you got mad. There is no apology about anything.

No wonder Pashtun women run away with foreigners whenever they get the chance. With people like you around you're basically DRIVING them into their arms.

All women love Ghyrat and the concept of Namos. They feel safe with men like me, someone that will never leave them no matter what. They know that any harm that comes will come to them over my dead body. Its cultureless people like you who dont know their own culture or hates their own culture who drive them away.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Your own opinion based on nothing.
If it was destroying it now, the americans would not be looking for an exit. The culture like always is once again repelling the invaders.

Look who is talking!!!!; Your claim is based on nothing; you don't even have a definitive age for Pashto, nevermind Pashtunwali.


The issue of an American exit is a red herring; because America left Vietnam and Communism crumbled.

In This case Pashtuns are crumbling ...I think the fact that the minute Pashtun women have a chance they run to be with Kafir Americans is pretty much nature's way of telling Afghans their culture isn't working. That would be more relevant since women = the lifeline to the continuation of your species.

[khushal]

Look who is talking!!!!; Your claim is based on nothing; you don't even have a definitive age for Pashto, nevermind Pashtunwali.

I already proved you wrong on this. Alexander wrote about pashtuns. Pashtuns are mentioned in the rigveda. you like to ignore evidence.

The issue of an American exit is a red herring; because America left Vietnam and Communism crumbled.

communism is not a culture

In This case Pashtuns are crumbling ...I think the fact that the minute Pashtun women have a chance they run to be with Kafir Americans is pretty much nature's way of telling Afghans their culture isn't working. That would be more relevant since women = the lifeline to the continuation of your species.

PAshtuns are crumbling, thats why America is forced to exit. OK whatever you say. All afghans in the west will be westernized eventually. I already explained that to you but that has nothing to do with what you say. Afghans in the west are .00000000000000001% of afghans.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

strawman fallacy, I never said those things. your making things up.
you made a claim and I found errors in your source and you got mad. There is no apology about anything.
All women love Ghyrat and the concept of Namos. They feel safe with men like me, someone that will never leave them no matter what. They know that any harm that comes will come to them over my dead body. Its cultureless people like you who dont know their own culture or hates their own culture who drive them away.

The first portion you're quoting; I'm not claiming that you "said" anything; I'm giving an ANALYSIS of WHAT you wrote. The fact you wrote "Strawman Fallacy" on MY analsysis shows you neither know what a strawman fallacy is nor do you know what you're talking about.

You've never found an "error" in any of my claims furthermore YOU're referring to something COMPLETELY different than what we're talking ABOUT NOW, i.e. YOUR claim about why a certain custom exists; IT has nothing to do with anything I have claimed by something YOU presented. don't try and spin doctor and invent scenarios that don't exist Khushal. I'm not a high school drop out like you. Your argument is an APOLOGY a, fraudulent one at that.

If ALL women feel "safe" with you, then NO Pashtun woman would ever want to be with an American or Black ....since we know these people lack Ghairat and Namous. AND EVERY woman, American, European or otherwise would be knocking down your door looking for marriage. But as the case is You feel offended when anything related to the physical attributes of a woman are mentiond and think women are supposed to be subordinate to men in discussions as you demonstrated towards DZJ> If you think women like that, you'll NEVER have a woman ....and you'll always see Pashtun women with Non-Pashtun guys.

Women like Moderation; not spineless like an American, not a controlling insecure , abusive nutcase like you .....Moderation is always the key. HOWEVER one extreme leads to another. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU ONCE SAID? The Extreme you Push on women .....FORCES women to the other extreme.

If it was people like me who drove them away ....why is this Kandari girl doing the OPPOSITE of what people like YOU tell them?


Why does Geeta Farooqi-MILLS have a black husband? (and yes she is Pashtana, if you want confirmation I can give you her contact info)

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Hhahaa Khushal's getting so desperate that he's fabricating statistics now


ok so 28,000,000 X 0.00000000000000001% = 0.0000000000028

hahaha that's not even 1/1,000,000 of a person

god you're batsht stupid when you can't handle reality.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I already proved you wrong on this. Alexander wrote about pashtuns. Pashtuns are mentioned in the rigveda. you like to ignore evidence.

Dude that's all "hear-say" and speculation at best ....if it was even remotely evidence ...then historians wouldn't be unsure of the relationship as they are.

This is all "hypothesis"; This hypothesis is too tenuous to be evidence ...show me an example of Pashto from ancient times THAT'S evidence

[Kushan Prince]

The first portion you're quoting; I'm not claiming that you "said" anything; I'm giving an ANALYSIS of WHAT you wrote. The fact you wrote "Strawman Fallacy" on MY analsysis shows you neither know what a strawman fallacy is nor do you know what you're talking about.

You've never found an "error" in any of my claims furthermore YOU're referring to something COMPLETELY different than what we're talking ABOUT NOW, i.e. YOUR claim about why a certain custom exists; IT has nothing to do with anything I have claimed by something YOU presented. don't try and spin doctor and invent scenarios that don't exist Khushal. I'm not a high school drop out like you. Your argument is an APOLOGY a, fraudulent one at that.

If ALL women feel "safe" with you, then NO Pashtun woman would ever want to be with an American or Black ....since we know these people lack Ghairat and Namous. AND EVERY woman, American, European or otherwise would be knocking down your door looking for marriage. But as the case is You feel offended when anything related to the physical attributes of a woman are mentiond and think women are supposed to be subordinate to men in discussions as you demonstrated towards DZJ> If you think women like that, you'll NEVER have a woman ....and you'll always see Pashtun women with Non-Pashtun guys.

Women like Moderation; not spineless like an American, not a controlling insecure , abusive nutcase like you .....Moderation is always the key. HOWEVER one extreme leads to another. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU ONCE SAID? The Extreme you Push on women .....FORCES women to the other extreme.

If it was people like me who drove them away ....why is this Kandari girl doing the OPPOSITE of what people like YOU tell them?


Why does Geeta Farooqi-MILLS have a black husband? (and yes she is Pashtana, if you want confirmation I can give you her contact info)

As much as I would like to believe you RTR, she looks Iranian Persian to me. I just did a quick google search on her and I found some disgusting degotory pictures. Do you know her?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

As much as I would like to believe you RTR, she looks Iranian Persian to me. I just did a quick google search on her and I found some disgusting degotory pictures. Do you know her?

Yes sadly .....you probably think she's Iranian because of her fake dyed blond hair and breast implants. LOL I can see how you'd make the mistake

YOU MIGHT be able to argue that she's not "really" Pashtun because her family are Farooqi which means they claim they're descended from Umar Al Farooqi. They're not from any of the "Tribes". But they are from Kandahar, they speak Pashto, and identify as Pashtuns

[khushal]

The first portion you're quoting; I'm not claiming that you "said" anything; I'm giving an ANALYSIS of WHAT you wrote. The fact you wrote "Strawman Fallacy" on MY analsysis shows you neither know what a strawman fallacy is nor do you know what you're talking about.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. and that is what you did, I never wrote what you claim. bring forth the evidence.

You've never found an "error" in any of my claims furthermore YOU're referring to something COMPLETELY different than what we're talking ABOUT NOW, i.e. YOUR claim about why a certain custom exists; IT has nothing to do with anything I have claimed by something YOU presented. don't try and spin doctor and invent scenarios that don't exist Khushal. I'm not a high school drop out like you. Your argument is an APOLOGY a, fraudulent one at that.

go back to the thread and reread what I wrote, I found the error in your source and you got mad. That is why you always get mad at me, I either find errors in your source or use your source against your claims. Usually you just quote mine so its easy for me to do that. I just let you know your weakness in debates so try not to do that in the future to prevent wasting my time, thanks.

If ALL women feel "safe" with you, then NO Pashtun woman would ever want to be with an American or Black ....since we know these people lack Ghairat and Namous. AND EVERY woman, American, European or otherwise would be knocking down your door looking for marriage. But as the case is You feel offended when anything related to the physical attributes of a woman are mentiond and think women are supposed to be subordinate to men in discussions as you demonstrated towards DZJ> If you think women like that, you'll NEVER have a woman ....and you'll always see Pashtun women with Non-Pashtun guys.

What discussion with DZJ? and I told you many times the afghans in the west will become westernized eventually, that is natural. If western people live in Afghanistan, they would be Pashtunized. Law of Equilibrium remember.
But the fact of the matter is its spineless cultureless people like you who hate their culture who drive good women away.

Women like Moderation; not spineless like an American, not a controlling insecure , abusive nutcase like you .....Moderation is always the key. HOWEVER one extreme leads to another. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU ONCE SAID? The Extreme you Push on women .....FORCES women to the other extreme.

This is a strawman, You dont know me or what I am like. I never claimed extreme should be pushed on anyone rather the opposite which is moderation. That is why I claim that the extreme situation in afghanistan was caused by extreme being pushed on them. Why do you make things up. man up and tell the truth for once.

If it was people like me who drove them away ....why is this Kandari girl doing the OPPOSITE of what people like YOU tell them?

Why does Geeta Farooqi-MILLS have a black husband? (and yes she is Pashtana, if you want confirmation I can give you her contact info)

She is becoming westernized, she is integrating into her new home. No one is pushing her, she is naturally assimilating. Remember the saying "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." This happens with all cultures all over the world everywhere. You claim yourself that your ancestors the turks became pashtunized in pashtunland. Why should something different happen in this situation. It is you who is uneducated who does not understand nature.

[khushal]

Hhahaa Khushal's getting so desperate that he's fabricating statistics now


ok so 28,000,000 X 0.00000000000000001% = 0.0000000000028

hahaha that's not even 1/1,000,000 of a person

god you're batsht stupid when you can't handle reality.

I wasnt trying to be exact because I dont know how many afghans live in the west. but you get my point, the number is almost meaningless compare to the whole population at home and its 40-50 million pashtuns not 28 million if you want to be more exact.

And those millions of indians khans that live in south asia, they are all indianized. They married local people down there. do you get the point. its natural. You are mad because I am explaining to you your inevitable future. You are realizing I am right and you are realizing that either you or your descendents will be assimilated.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Khushal when I said you don't know what a strawman fallacy is, I didn't mean you can't use GOOGLE after I point something out to you and just mindlessly regurgitate its definition or something.

An Analysis by its very meaning cannot be a "straw-man" because I am not claiming you "made" the "claim" of what I wrote, I am saying what you do claim when EXAMINED is FAULTY and thus cannot be a legitimate reason, thus would make it an attempt at apologetics.


please stop trying to nurse your blunders, man up to them for once.

go back to the thread and reread what I wrote, I found the error in your source and you got mad. That is why you always get mad at me, I either find errors in your source or use your source against your claims. Usually you just quote mine so its easy for me to do that. I just let you know your weakness in debates so try not to do that in the future to prevent wasting my time, thanks.

If you ever found a LEGITIMATE flaw in any sources I WOULD COMMEND YOU, In fact I would be the FIRST to commend you.

NOw STOP being intellectually dishonest, I'm setting the record straight once and for all. I was never mad because you found a flaw in any of my sources, because as far as I have seen, YOU have never done so. I get APPALLED and annoyed that you AVOID the EVIDENCE in my sources because they're INCONVENIENT for you to handle. You split hairs and go into irrelevant tangents

There Khushal ..did you read that? Now you can't make this bull**** fabricated narrative of how you try to misrepresent and distort events. I am TELLING you directly There's no way you can rework that to mean anything but what I just said; Any attempt at doing so is you being intellectually dishonest.

The End of that. portion

. If western people live in Afghanistan, they would be Pashtunized. Law of Equilibrium remember.

What you just described has nothing to do with the Law of Equilibrium. so no I don't remember because you're just mindlessly and incorrectly using terminology inappropriately

And secondly you're wrong the BRitishy were in Afghanistan for 100 years, none of them, not even "Alexander Burnes" got "Pashtunized"; the only exception were baby girls Hadokai Ghundai. Which is quite a different scenario than being raised by Pashtun parents in a Pashtun household.

In fact if we applied the Law of Equilibrium THEN if your culture is strong then that equilbrium would fall in your favor regardless of where you are. So The Law of Equilibrium would work contrary to how you state perceive it.

This is a strawman, You dont know me or what I am like. I never claimed extreme should be pushed on anyone rather the opposite which is moderation. That is why I claim that the extreme situation in afghanistan was caused by extreme being pushed on them. Why do you make things up. man up and tell the truth for once.

It's not a strawman, I never claimed this is how you see yourself

firstly You need to learn WHAT a strawman is; and I don't mean regurgitating the definition, I mean how to correctly use the concept.

What you did claim is that ONE extreme leads to another; well RIGHT the EXTREMES of Pashtuns lead to women wanting to escape and they do extreme things like running away and marrying farangayan. THAT is what I am saying USING YOUR argument .....checkmate

She is becoming westernized, she is integrating into her new home. No one is pushing her, she is naturally assimilating. Remember the saying "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated."

This is a cowardly excuse; if you have strong culture to begin with, you won't be "assimilated" because your culture is too strong to let externalities affect it.

The "saying"..."resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" is a line from Star Trek the Next Generation by The Borg ...good God ....you take a script line as sociological truth?

This is imperialist indoctrination that only works on weak people; This just means Pashtun society is not viable to meet the challenges of corrupt influences. In other words it's Pashtun culture's extremes that motivate these extremes.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I wasnt trying to be exact because I dont know how many afghans live in the west. but you get my point, the number is almost meaningless compare to the whole population at home and its 40-50 million pashtuns not 28 million if you want to be more exact.

And those millions of indians khans that live in south asia, they are all indianized. They married local people down there. do you get the point. its natural. You are mad because I am explaining to you your inevitable future. You are realizing I am right and you are realizing that either you or your descendents will be assimilated.

Ooooh so NOW you want me to grant you context, You never read my statements in context? You always take them as being static and without contextual relevance. Why should I grant you context? No sorry.

To be exact? No I use real CONFIRMED figures not speculative Afghan Millat figures since speculations are not exact.

Those Indian Khan's are Indianized probably because most of them "Indian" Very few are "actually" Afghan. Heck I might even doubt if any are considering it's a big industry to claim being "Pathan" in bollywood.