Why do we include Balochistan in a hypothetical Pashtunistan?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

he was bron in the US. he doesn't know anything about his dad. you can put anything of the birth certificate any name you want. it doesn't prove anything. he hasn't seen his dad. he claimed his dad was a pashtun not his dad is a baluch what next?

well he just revealed his dad is from Karachi. so I guess you were right, case closed.

[EvilPakistani]

Lets set the record straight about the baloch and Balochistan:

The baloch have mixed origins, some sources say they're from Aleppo while others they're from a town near the Caspian sea in iran, according to Baloch people their language is the closest to Kurdish however linguists believe it is actually closer to Gilaki(An Iranic language spoken in Iran).

The Baloch that settled in present-day Balochistan mixed with the local Dravidians and that's why many can range from dark skinned to light skinned, and they forged a new language called Brahui(A Dravidian language) and the majority of the Baloch including the Khan of Kalat spoke Brohi in the past, it wasn't until latter that Balochi became the dominant language of present-day Balochistan.

According to Encyclopedia Iranica:

"It was not until much later that the majority of the population of the area came to identify themselves as Baluch, probably as a result partly of the success of Naṣīr Khan’s policies, and partly because of the later British administrative classification. The assimilation of almost the whole population to Baluch identity and the dominance of Baluchi (at least for public, political purposes) is difficult to explain, since the tribesmen who established the khanate of Kalat (and therefore also the political autonomy and identity of the area) in the mid-11th/17th century spoke not Baluchi, but Brahui, and conducted their administration in Persian by means of a bureaucracy recruited among the Dehwār, who were Tajik peasants. Immigrant Baluchi speakers (Balōč) were probably not numerically dominant except in non-agricultural parts of the area."

So the Baloch identity only came into existence between the 11th to 17th century, and the country 'Balochistan' didn't exist before the 15th century before that it was called Godar by the Pashtuns, so the Baloch nationalists that claim that Baloch identity and Balochistan are thousands of years old are actually factually incorrect, and the Kalat state was only established in 1666(not too old from an anthropological perspective) and it was colonised by the British in 1876, so the Khanate of Kalat only lasted a little over 200 years.

So between 1876 till 1947, Balochistan was part of the British Indian subcontinent, and the history of Balochistan with the land that makes up Pakistan goes back many millenniums.

present-day Balochistan was part of the Mehrgarh civilization that covered ALL of present day Pakistan, 9000 years ago!


And genetically Baloch people cluster closer to other South Asians than other Middle eastern peoples


In fact in Iran, the Baloch are considered to be the most different and are seen as closer to other South Asians.

[randolph85]

Lets set the record straight about the baloch and Balochistan:

The baloch have mixed origins, some sources say they're from Aleppo while others they're from a town near the Caspian sea in iran, according to Baloch people their language is the closest to Kurdish however linguists believe it is actually closer to Gilaki(An Iranic language spoken in Iran).

The Baloch that settled in present-day Balochistan mixed with the local Dravidians and that's why many can range from dark skinned to light skinned, and they forged a new language called Brahui(A Dravidian language) and the majority of the Baloch including the Khan of Kalat spoke Brohi in the past, it wasn't until latter that Balochi became the dominant language of present-day Balochistan.

According to Encyclopedia Iranica:


So the Baloch identity only came into existence between the 11th to 17th century, and the country 'Balochistan' didn't exist before the 15th century before that it was called Godar by the Pashtuns, so the Baloch nationalists that claim that Baloch identity and Balochistan are thousands of years old are actually factually incorrect, and the Kalat state was only established in 1666(not too old from an anthropological perspective) and it was colonised by the British in 1876, so the Khanate of Kalat only lasted a little over 200 years.

So between 1876 till 1947, Balochistan was part of the British Indian subcontinent, and the history of Balochistan with the land that makes up Pakistan goes back many millenniums.

present-day Balochistan was part of the Mehrgarh civilization that covered ALL of present day Pakistan, 9000 years ago!


And genetically Baloch people cluster closer to other South Asians than other Middle eastern peoples


In fact in Iran, the Baloch are considered to be the most different and are seen as closer to other South Asians.

mixed origins does not mean that these people are not culturally homogeneous today. if you are trying to discredit these people then you might as well discredit pakistan itself since the "istan" in pakistan is supposed to be balochistan according to paki nationalists which affirms that there is a historical legitimacy for a baloch homeland.

[EvilPakistani]

mixed origins does not mean that these people are not culturally homogeneous today. if you are trying to discredit these people then you might as well discredit pakistan itself since the "istan" in pakistan is supposed to be balochistan according to paki nationalists which affirms that there is a historical legitimacy for a baloch homeland.

Nope, they're not culturally homogenous, the Brohis and Baloch are different, and even among the Baloch, the Makranis,Sheedis are seen as different and face racism from the suleimani Baloch, just read ArnoBaloch's comments about, they reek of white supremacy and elitism.

BTW recently a Jewish Republican congressman Louie Gohmert endorsed an independent Balochistan and before that Senator Dana Rohrbacher also proposed a resolution for Balochistan, you might ask why are these Jewish-Republicans supporting the Balochistan cause?It's because an "Azad" Balochistan would benefit America and Israel because that would weaken Iran(Israel's #1 enemy) and Pakistan(the only nuclear powered Muslim country in the world), it's part of the New World Order, they want to created as many new countries as possible, so they're easier to control.

The Khan of Kalat has already pledged that an Azad balochistan would recognize Israel and he even justified their oppresion of Palestinians:

http://www.examiner.com/article/free-balochistan-is-israel-s-ally-says-jewish-writer-khan-kalat-endorses-idea

Go read that pathetic article by a Baloch separatist and another one :

http://www.thetower.org/baloch-nationalists-take-on-iran-and-pakistan-vow-close-ties-with-israel/

They already have support of the Tea party zionists in 'Murica.

The Baloch nationalists also have claims over Helmand, i wonder if Afghan nationalists here would be happy to cede Helmand to them?

If the mainstream media picks up the Baloch cause in the near future, there's a good chance they have an agenda
Pipeline Wars: Balochistan terror hotbed 'serves power players' - YouTube

If the Baloch see them selves as Muslims first they might stay with Pakistan, but if their priorities are different then they might secede.

[DSM0305]

Can somebody explain me what the ''new world order'' is and what it is about, even more importantly why they fear it. I see people randomly throwing this word right and left just so it can serve their agenda.

I challenge anyone to explain the new world order and how it is related to these political issues.

[Toramana]

Nope, they're not culturally homogenous, the Brohis and Baloch are different, and even among the Baloch, the Makranis,Sheedis are seen as different and face racism from the suleimani Baloch, just read ArnoBaloch's comments about, they reek of white supremacy and elitism.

BTW recently a Jewish Republican congressman Louie Gohmert endorsed an independent Balochistan and before that Senator Dana Rohrbacher also proposed a resolution for Balochistan, you might ask why are these Jewish-Republicans supporting the Balochistan cause?It's because an "Azad" Balochistan would benefit America and Israel because that would weaken Iran(Israel's #1 enemy) and Pakistan(the only nuclear powered Muslim country in the world), it's part of the New World Order, they want to created as many new countries as possible, so they're easier to control.

The Khan of Kalat has already pledged that an Azad balochistan would recognize Israel and he even justified their oppresion of Palestinians:

http://www.examiner.com/article/free-balochistan-is-israel-s-ally-says-jewish-writer-khan-kalat-endorses-idea

Go read that pathetic article by a Baloch separatist and another one :

http://www.thetower.org/baloch-nationalists-take-on-iran-and-pakistan-vow-close-ties-with-israel/

They already have support of the Tea party zionists in 'Murica.

The Baloch nationalists also have claims over Helmand, i wonder if Afghan nationalists here would be happy to cede Helmand to them?

If the mainstream media picks up the Baloch cause in the near future, there's a good chance they have an agenda
Pipeline Wars: Balochistan terror hotbed 'serves power players' - YouTube

If the Baloch see them selves as Muslims first they might stay with Pakistan, but if their priorities are different then they might secede.

Ridiculous ---it is not necessary to stay in Pakistan to be Muslim. Don't be delusional. Don't equate Hera-Mandistan with Islam, which itself was an imperial project with border fixed Sir Motamar Durand and Mr Redcliff.

Stop being delusional.