Why do we include Balochistan in a hypothetical Pashtunistan?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Badlun does not know anything .....

neither do you apparently; you keep fabricating stuff with no evidence to support it ..yet I presented evidence in support of my statements

Your word alone does not count Khushal, EVIDENCE and EVIDENCE alone. This isn't the first time you made stuff up in debates (doubtfully your last). EVery issue there's always been evidence contrary to your claims. So I can safely say you're lying now too.

[khushal]

Your argument is flawed for two reasons. # 1 is because that applies to ALL Pashtuns. Ghilzais are Turks, and we assimilated into Pashtuns nearly 800 years ago. This doesn't change that we're Pashtun "now". This applies to other clans and tribes of Pashtun as well.

Secondly you have nothing ti support your claim; your argument is circular if you claim it to be true because you say so

so again checkmate.

The Ghilzai being Turks is a theory which I have a hard time believing because why would they assimilate when they are far from Pashtun center of Paktia, why didn't Nuristanis assimilate when they are so close to us. . There is also no linguistic evidence to support your theory either. The Hazaras were also left behind but they have kept some mongolian linguistics alive. But that is not the point.

The point was that your claiming Kushan was posting a pic of a nuristani as pashtun while in reality you were actually doing the manipulation.

[khushal]

neither do you apparently; you keep fabricating stuff with no evidence to support it ..yet I presented evidence in support of my statements

Your word alone does not count Khushal, EVIDENCE and EVIDENCE alone. This isn't the first time you made stuff up in debates (doubtfully your last). EVery issue there's always been evidence contrary to your claims. So I can safely say you're lying now too.

You just presented a name. That's not evidence. You did not present a family tree of the person. There are sihks in KP that speak pashto and follow certain aspects of pashtunwali and even have their own villages but they are not pashtun, they are Panjabi.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You just presented a name. That's not evidence. You did not present a family tree of the person. There are sihks in KP that speak pashto and follow certain aspects of pashtunwali and even have their own villages but they are not pashtun, they are Panjabi.

Um usually people who have a certain name have it because that's their background. nice try Khushal.

You didn't even present a name, if you did you may have had something to go by, you had your own personal statement which is circular.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The Ghilzai being Turks is a theory which I have a hard time believing because why would they assimilate when they are far from Pashtun center of Paktia, why didn't Nuristanis assimilate when they are so close to us. . There is also no linguistic evidence to support your theory either. The Hazaras were also left behind but they have kept some mongolian linguistics alive. But that is not the point.

The point was that your claiming Kushan was posting a pic of a nuristani as pashtun while in reality you were actually doing the manipulation.

What you have a hard time believing is irrelevant. Your personal feelings about something or choice to accept or deny something mean nothing here.


Nuristanis didn't assimilate because they're very recent and until the last 100 or so years were mainly isolated. DUH. Look up any of the historical background on the conquest of Nuristan. That's a PRETTY OBVIOUS answer to someone who is familiar with Afghanistan, but I guess to people like yourself I can understand how you'd have made that mistake.

Ghilzais assimilation is something verified with evidence, the fact that ghilzai and Khaladj Turks, their whereabouts and migrations correspond verifies this. There is linguistic evidence, the names of Ghilzai clans Hotak and Kharot.

Hotak is a widely used tribal name amongst the Turks

Uşak'lı İsmail Hotak bir kız sevdim - YouTube

Here's a turk with the last name Hotak. There's no Pashto word Hotak neither in Farsi, this leaves Hotak being of Turkic origins.

Your claim that I was doing the manopulation was debunked by further evidence I presented and your response to that evidence was debunked by the fact you made circular argument in reference to your own claim. There's no merit to revert back to this.

[Kushan Prince]

^ those Pashtuns look like they are from peshwar. A city filled with all ethnic gorups of pakistan and a lot of pashtuns there are mixed with punjabis and sindhis.

[Kushan Prince]

RTR you have a hard time beleving me, so here are so some famous pashtuns who make those "Pashtuns are light" stereotypes come true.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

http://www.facebook.com/ismail.hotak.5?viewer_id=100003966914683

http://www.facebook.com/memo.hotak

more Hotaks and they're Turkish? hmmmm

[RevolutionThroughReason]

RTR you have a hard time beleving me, so here are so some famous pashtuns who make those "Pashtuns are light" stereotypes come true.

You said AVERAGE Pashtun, celebrities are not Average ..sorry Kushan, no bueno...also how do you know they're not from mixed ethnicity? Those guys are also from Peshawar, they could be light Punjabis mixed in with Pashtuns.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

^ those Pashtuns look like they are from peshwar. A city filled with all ethnic gorups of pakistan and a lot of pashtuns there are mixed with punjabis and sindhis.

Zazai is not in Peshawar and one of the videos is Quettawal Pashtuns.

sorry again no bueno. your attempt at portraying Pashtuns are a fair skinned people is not solid. We're not dark but hardly fair.

[Kushan Prince]

Is this average enough for you?

[Kushan Prince]

^My bad that picture is in black and white.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

again NOT average ...

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Kushan why don't you show a video of a room full of Pashtuns .....and let's see if the average one matches the fair skinned light eyed people you seem to very selectively focus on.

like this for example

Pashto attan - YouTube

[khushal]

Um usually people who have a certain name have it because that's their background. nice try Khushal.

You didn't even present a name, if you did you may have had something to go by, you had your own personal statement which is circular.

It is their background, that is where they live and grew up but I know their lineage. I know those guys fathers and grandfathers. But these are facts, ask knowledgeable people and they will tell you that I am right.